Originally Posted by mikeonthetube
Hey Hayabusa85, thanks for posting all the images.
Have you changed much from the default settings on the tv?
If you have changed settings could you post a list of what settings you are using?
I can't remember exactly what I had things set to in the pictures but hadn't done a lot of adjusting. The biggest adjustment is turning off the light sensor before you do anything since I find that to be awful and it is on by default.
I have played with the settings some more since then and am now using some of the craziest settings I have ever used on a TV though which in my room seem to work well. But I know there are people who will cringe at these. Personally I am the kind the likes things more vibrant and tend to be the kind that doesn't like professionally calibrated settings too.
Some of the big differences are that I usually would have the backlight low while I have it high on this since I am not getting any bad light bleed with it higher in combination with the dimming. With that off the light is obviously coming through but that keeps it in check. And I find having the backlight up higher seems to help with a few things.
First the halos oddly seem worse with the backlight down which I would think would be the other way around. Although even then this has been very inconsistent for me. The reason I took the Asmik Ace logo when I was starting Helter Skelter was that it was the first logo on a black background since that was the first movie I tested since I love the use of color in that movie. That didn't have an issue but I have noticed it with some other logos and credits. Personally not big issue for me since I tend to skip logos and credits anyway and so far have yet to notice it in any other scenario.
So more so I find the backlight being up helps with the dimming. Doesn't have a huge impact on contrast I find but it does seem to help the dimming not fluctuate so much in darker scenes. Although with how my TV is located and how much the light reflects off the wall I can't help but feel it is possible that the reason this is happening is that it is creating a bit of a lighted atmosphere close to the TV without creating the glare. And LED flaws tend to be hidden more in light than dark rooms like I am usually viewing it in due to insomnia.
The backlight could be a problem if people have more light coming through than I seem to have on my set but that isn't where people will really hate my settings. Like I said it is the use of filters like clear white that I personally like which I know a lot of people would cringe at being used. That being said a fair bit of my settings are not that far off the HDFever settings if you turn off the filters and turn down the backlight.
But anyway, if these bizarre settings do work for anybody else no harm posting them. Just be nice about how you tell me I am crazy if you test them and find them brutal Picture Settings
Brightness: 40 (In my viewing environment I find 50 like HDFever use makes the image look washed out even when I tested exactly their settings so I lower it a bit.)
Color Temp: Warm 2
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Dot Noise Reduction: Off
Realty Creation: Auto (Sometime manual with resolution at max if it plays nice with a movie or show on Blu-Ray. With some stuff it creates static that auto doesn't and I personally like the little bit of detail it enhances over turning it off.)
Video Area Detection: Auto
Smooth Gradiation: High
Motionflow: True Cinema (I do agree with HDFever that it doesn't handle panning shots as well as I would like but I find in fast moving scenes Clear smooths it out just a slight bit too much so with Blu-Ray I stick with this.)
CineMotion: AutoAdvanced Settings
Black Corrector: High
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
LED Dynamic Control: Standard
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: High
Live Color: Low
Detail Enhancer: High
Edge Enhancer: Off
Skin Naturalizer: On (Honestly does this even do anything? I have never actually found that I notice a difference no matter what I set it to so I just put it on just in case it is doesn't something subtle I am just to blind to notice
Everything else default. In my viewing environment the G-Gain setting HDFever used made the image look a bit pinkish. Had the same R-Gain as them though since it helps take some of the unnatural red out of skin.Screen
Wide Mode: Full
Auto Wide: Off
Auto Display Area: Off
Display Area: Full Pixel
What I assume everybody uses. Why Sony hide the display area setting deeper in the settings I never know.Video Color Space
Everything off. Death to the environment!
Anything else like the Color Matrix settings or anything else I have not touched so the defaults are auto I think.
These settings actually don't make a huge difference from what I was using in the pictures in my viewing environment but help with a few things like I mentioned above. My camera hates the bit of extra backlight since I think I had it at 5 before. So I had a harder time taking a picture with these settings.
With the satellite I use pretty much the same settings but I do go with the clear MotionFlow for this since I want the panning on sports to be smoother. And CineMotion off. Also have the reality creation set the manual with resolution at max. And screen area set to normal instead of full pixel to avoid the problems some broadcasts sometime have at the top of the screen.
Gaming I have in gaming mode right now and didn't touch much. Don't remember the settings at the moment.
Took one picture with these settings. Would have taken more but my camera was being problematic. Might try to pull out my older camera since this camera is just a point and click camera while the PowerShot while outdated might still have enough in it to do a better job. Although based on attempts I remember of taking pictures of HDTV's way back then it might be even worse.
Like I said the picture really didn't turn out great. I mean the backlight is brighter and yet it turned out darker than my other pictures
But I tried.
Originally Posted by werewolfy
Thanks Hayabusa85 for posting your opinion and all these pictures. I'm also a gamer so I really think I'm going to buy this set very soon
In all your pictures, I can't even see the black borders from Skyfall (I think) and with Asmik Ace logo. Is the black level so good? Do you have activated dynamic led control? No halos on bright objets?
The black bars in a dark room are not a total deep pure black and it just isn't bright enough for my camera to pick up the difference. They are a very good shade of black though that I consider to be excellent. And in the light you wouldn't want it to match since the bezel is a shade of grey while the light of a room hides the bit of light the bars do have. Like the HX850 it is as good as you will get from an edge lit LED but not quite a match for full array. The trade off being a much lower price than full array probably would have seen this reach.
As I said above I have seen the halos for some logos and not for others but have not noticed it from anything other that logos or credits. And for whatever crazy reason I noticed them more when I tested the HDFever settings with the backlight at 2 than I do with the backlight at 7 with my odd settings. Really makes no sense at all.
And yes as posted above I have Dynamic Control set to standard. I am sure most owners of this TV will probably use that as did HDFever. And as everybody knows every now and then it can be a double edged sword. 90% of the time it will do the job perfectly but every now and then it will fluctuate in a night scene that has a candle or something like that. Or every now and then in a letterboxed movie light up the bars a bit too much in order to direct the light toward the image.
In regards ot picture quality, motion etc. anything that has stood out to you yet? I'm with you on the stand. If that's the biggest issue, I can certainly live with that. I will mostly be watching sports on the set. Games from time to time as well. I'm waiting for the PS4 just like you....
Nothing too bad. I have noticed I do have a slight DSE on pans down and up I didn't notice when I said I had a DSE free set but thankfully not left and right which is where DSE is a problem to me due to hockey, football etc. Which is why I didn't notice it when I was looking for it since I was watching a hockey game. And even what is there on the pans down or up isn't very bad at all. Based on the HDFever review panel lottery is in play with this set though.
As I said above if I turn the the dynamic control off then there is light coming through on the corners (Even then not as bad as other sets I have been through lately) but wouldn't want to turn that off personally anyway.
Then the typical problems I mentioned above with dynamic control not getting it right every now and then. The Perks of Being A Wallflower was the one movie in particular where a few scenes made it go berzerk on me. But I actually blame the movie more than the TV with that since that Blu-Ray has problems. Especially with very inconsistent contrast as stated in most of the Blu-Ray reviews for it.
Then like I said above some movies don't play nice with reality creation on manual with resolution at max such as The Avengers since they picture gets a lot of static. I am assuming this is normal since the W802a I had did it to. And something setting it to auto or off doesn't cause. Thinking it might be that it picks up on some film grain while enhancing details and instead of grain it creates static.
And I have noticed the bottom right corner of mine is every so slightly lighter than the other corners so even with the Dynamic Control there is a tiny bit of light coming through there obviously. But one of those things I have only noticed while sitting there inspecting the TV trying to find a problem and not something I can say I have noticed while relaxed watching a movie. Why I do this to myself is beyond me. Like you said in this day and age you are not going to find a perfect set but this is as close as I have got since embarking on a new TV quest. Even my 2008 Regza I loved so much that is dying and the result of the new TV quest is the second one I had of that. The first completely died in the first month
But the problems I have are minor and the PQ is fantastic so even in my stupidity of looking for problems I probably wouldn't have noticed if I didn't go looking for them. So as long as this set stays as it is now and doesn't suddenly start having other issues or die *Knock On Wood* it is as good as I feel I would be able to get.