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post #331 of 4320
That's great Hayabusa85, many thanks.
I'm going to try out the same and see what I think. No harm in playing around with what they give us right!
post #332 of 4320
Thanks Hayabusa for all your explanations. I ordered one, it looks it's a great set wink.gif
post #333 of 4320
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Originally Posted by Tarheel1400 View Post

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Originally Posted by fluxo View Post

Summary: worse than the HX920.

Fluxo,

How is it worse than the HX920? Every thing i've read says its improved over every sony set minus the viewing angles.

Worse contrast. ANSI contrast of about 2,500:1 compared to > 6000:1 for the HX920. The review states that even the HX820 had better contrast.

Worse black level.

Worse Rec. 709 colour accuracy than the HX820, HX850, HX920 or HX950.

Reviewer said he preferred the monolithic design, which the new model lacks.


In addition the reviewer states that the uniformity isn't excellent, that there is light horizontal banding, the screen is brighter at the edges than at the centre, and there is blooming.

"Par contre, chose étonnante, c’est la première fois que j’observe du Blooming sur un EDge LED."

= On the other hand, and this is astonishing, this is the first time that I've seen blooming on an edge-lit LED.

I think the ordinary viewer, as opposed to a purist, might find the oversaturated colours the new backlighting allows attractive. But those wanting accuracy are out of luck as the choice seems to be between washed out colours or colours that are too saturated. As the reviewer states, it is not possible to do better than this because of a lack of CMS controls. Consequently, the colours are unnatural ("Pas de réglages ISF : gamut pas assez juste avec le Blu-ray, couleurs qui manquent de naturel.").

The Triluminos backlighting is intriguing and seems to be a genuine innovation, but its utility as of now is questionable. It could help the TV stand out from the crowd in a shop if the set is showing specially mastered wide-gamut material. But for everyday use? I'm not so sure. Perhaps photographers might find it useful.

I sort of feel that Sony have cheaped out with this display. Its design looks markedly inferior to that of the HX920. It lacks the gorilla glass. It looks slightly garish. I'm guessing it may have a flimsy atom-thick back similar to that the HX850 had. This TV is not a convincing design statement, nor a purists set. It's even lacking in SmartTV functionality - too few apps and those apps run too slowly (weak processor). I'm a little disappointed because I do feel Sony have a great TV in them somewhere, but it's struggling to burst out Alien style.

Having said all that, I have not seen one of these myself. So, although sceptical, I will give this TV every chance to impress me when I do see it.
post #334 of 4320
XBR8 was the first Sony to utilize Triluminos, and it was noted for color accuracy. We really need to wait for a proper review.
post #335 of 4320
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

XBR8 was the first Sony to utilize Triluminos, and it was noted for color accuracy. We really need to wait for a proper review.

This is a different implementation, as I understand it.
post #336 of 4320
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Originally Posted by fluxo View Post

This is a different implementation, as I understand it.

XBR8=RGB LED'S, W900/X900=Quantum Dots
post #337 of 4320
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

XBR8=RGB LED'S, W900/X900=Quantum Dots

correct and if this set had rgb leds it would have been even more expensive
post #338 of 4320
Made an error with those settings before and color should have been at 45 and not 50 for Blu-Ray and 50 was for satellite. Should also mention I use custom settings on the Blu-Ray player too which would have an impact on things. Also have since had a chance to use those during the day and what looked fine in a pitch black room didn't translate so well to the day tongue.gif
post #339 of 4320
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Originally Posted by fluxo View Post


Worse contrast. ANSI contrast of about 2,500:1 compared to > 6000:1 for the HX920. The review states that even the HX820 had better contrast.

Worse black level.

Worse Rec. 709 colour accuracy than the HX820, HX850, HX920 or HX950.

Reviewer said he preferred the monolithic design, which the new model lacks.


In addition the reviewer states that the uniformity isn't excellent, that there is light horizontal banding, the screen is brighter at the edges than at the centre, and there is blooming.

"Par contre, chose étonnante, c’est la première fois que j’observe du Blooming sur un EDge LED."

= On the other hand, and this is astonishing, this is the first time that I've seen blooming on an edge-lit LED.

I think the ordinary viewer, as opposed to a purist, might find the oversaturated colours the new backlighting allows attractive. But those wanting accuracy are out of luck as the choice seems to be between washed out colours or colours that are too saturated. As the reviewer states, it is not possible to do better than this because of a lack of CMS controls. Consequently, the colours are unnatural ("Pas de réglages ISF : gamut pas assez juste avec le Blu-ray, couleurs qui manquent de naturel.").

The Triluminos backlighting is intriguing and seems to be a genuine innovation, but its utility as of now is questionable. It could help the TV stand out from the crowd in a shop if the set is showing specially mastered wide-gamut material. But for everyday use? I'm not so sure. Perhaps photographers might find it useful.

I sort of feel that Sony have cheaped out with this display. Its design looks markedly inferior to that of the HX920. It lacks the gorilla glass. It looks slightly garish. I'm guessing it may have a flimsy atom-thick back similar to that the HX850 had. This TV is not a convincing design statement, nor a purists set. It's even lacking in SmartTV functionality - too few apps and those apps run too slowly (weak processor). I'm a little disappointed because I do feel Sony have a great TV in them somewhere, but it's struggling to burst out Alien style.

Having said all that, I have not seen one of these myself. So, although sceptical, I will give this TV every chance to impress me when I do see it.

... and in the end a perfect 10 in picture rolleyes.gif.
post #340 of 4320
Let me ask you guys this.

Assuming this set wasn't coming out is there another tv that you guys would consider in this price/competition range? I just don't what to compare it to other than the F8000.
post #341 of 4320
Tempted to get this set now. Was going to go with a 4k set, but it's so hard to ignore how good this TV is for gaming.
post #342 of 4320
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Originally Posted by vaxick View Post

Tempted to get this set now. Was going to go with a 4k set, but it's so hard to ignore how good this TV is for gaming.

I wouldn't worry too much about 4K sets unless you plan on sitting really close to it or buying an extra large screen. The w900a looks to be a good one though, at least compared to others in it's class.
post #343 of 4320
Just wait couple of months. This will be selling for less than 2k.
post #344 of 4320
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Originally Posted by malcolmp6 View Post

Just wait couple of months. This will be selling for less than 2k.

The W900A selling for less than $2K? I doubt it. What makes you think Sony is going to all of the sudden drop their price $800 (55") in a couple months? Legitimate question, sorry if I'm coming off as an A-Hole.
post #345 of 4320
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

The W900A selling for less than $2K? I doubt it. What makes you think Sony is going to all of the sudden drop their price $800 (55") in a couple months? Legitimate question, sorry if I'm coming off as an A-Hole.

Simple demand vs supply equation. Sony needs to sell these TVs. Their 2013 lineup is not selling so good. Look at the number of reviews for the w802a on amazon. Same will be for the w900a.
post #346 of 4320
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Originally Posted by malcolmp6 View Post

Simple demand vs supply equation. Sony needs to sell these TVs. Their 2013 lineup is not selling so good. Look at the number of reviews for the w802a on amazon. Same will be for the w900a.

The 2013 lineup hasn't been out that long and frankly the W802a is crap. W802 is weaker than the HX750 and the w900a is more on par with 850. The HX850 was probably their best selling TV last year and didn't drop in price until the HX950 came out almost a year later. The HX950 is still for sale and has only dropped $300 since it's release back in November. I hope your right but I seriously doubt they drop the price at all this soon. Maybe around November or December and even then it won't be more than a couple hundred.
post #347 of 4320
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Originally Posted by malcolmp6 View Post

Simple demand vs supply equation. Sony needs to sell these TVs. Their 2013 lineup is not selling so good. Look at the number of reviews for the w802a on amazon. Same will be for the w900a.

TV Sales in general have been slow, so I don't think the sales of this model are indicative of anything at this point. This set will more than likely come down in price slightly, but $800 is overly optimistic in that time frame.
post #348 of 4320
It's a crying shame that Sony doesn't offer the 46" in the US. This has eliminated this model form my choice of sets this year due to cost. Currently, I have the Samsung F8000, but I'm on my third set now due to the previous two panels having dead pixels. My F8000 is a 46", and with a great price match I got it for around $1,900. I simply cannot afford the 55" w900a, but if they had offered us a 46", I could have kept this open as an option in case the F8000 doesn't work out for me. Sony shot themselves in the foot by not offering a 46" - they think they can force people's hands into spending more money that way, but instead they lose customers that have a certain price point they have to meet. I was very disappointed to discover that they weren't offering a 46" of this model - this is the only model I would be interested in by Sony due to the active 3D and other factors. There's no way the cost of this 55" will drop to anywhere near $2,000 anytime within the next few months that I can see, so even with a good sale, it's far beyond what I can afford.

What's most infuriating is that they make a 46"!! They just don't want to sell it in the US.
post #349 of 4320
I'd love to see a 60 or 65 inch version of this model.
post #350 of 4320
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Originally Posted by Tarheel1400 View Post

Let me ask you guys this.

Assuming this set wasn't coming out is there another tv that you guys would consider in this price/competition range? I just don't what to compare it to other than the F8000.

Considered trying the F8000 while I was waiting for this to come in but didn't like that Canada got the European model that is missing some stuff. Before that I had gone with the W802a as part of my ongoing quest to find a passive set which started with the LM7600 back in February but like the others before it that didn't work out as I already mentioned. But yeah if I was in the US it would be between this and the F8000 for me but I think this would win out.

Tried changing my Blu-Ray player to the standard settings with those settings I had posted earlier and it was brutal. So yeah don't recommend trying those for Blu-Ray since my Blu-Ray player settings were playing a big role in them looking fine tongue.gif Still find similar settings work for the satellite though. But still tinkering with settings for everything.

Still gaming that really makes this TV shine for me. It is great for Blu-Ray but it isn't until I start up a game that I am reminded how much I really, really love this TV tongue.gif

The one reason I wasn't originally considering this TV was it only being in 55" and I used to have a 50" that gave me headaches which is why I was sticking under 50". Always figured the TV was too big and causing headaches but I guess it was something else that did it. So now I am glad it only came in 55" because it made me take a chance on the bigger size and find out I didn't need to stick to a smaller screen.
post #351 of 4320
The F8000 looks like a solid set but I've viewed it a lot in Best Buy and the judder is disturbing. Gaming lag has also been a HUGE complaint on the set. That really turns me off.
post #352 of 4320
Game mode sucks on the F8000. Apparently you have to put it on PC mode to really kill the lag. Then, it has pretty respectful numbers.
post #353 of 4320
F8000 has a great PQ but as you all have said, gaming sucks and there are some uniformity issues. Samsung sucks at motion resolution. CLEAR is the only Auto Motion Plus feature, (Samsung), that works properly. It looks like the F8000 may be a bust just like the ES8000 and previous flagship Samsung Models. There's not much in the way of the W900A as far as competition but the F8000, PLASMA DOESN'T COUNT, and maybe the Vizio Mxx1d that was just released recently and it has it's own issues.
post #354 of 4320
I really want to pull the trigger on the W900 but after reading the Value Electronics shoot out they said the F8000 out performed the X900! Any info on the Vizio XVT ultra HDs yet? I wonder how they will stack up to Sony PQ and price. If they can produce a 4K TV for 3 that would be very tempting. Don't know if I would spend that much on a Vizio tho.
i still have time, mostly upgrading since im buying the TV for the PS4 and Xbox One.
post #355 of 4320
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

F8000 has a great PQ but as you all have said, gaming sucks and there are some uniformity issues. Samsung sucks at motion resolution. CLEAR is the only Auto Motion Plus feature, (Samsung), that works properly. It looks like the F8000 may be a bust just like the ES8000 and previous flagship Samsung Models. There's not much in the way of the W900A as far as competition but the F8000, PLASMA DOESN'T COUNT, and maybe the Vizio Mxx1d that was just released recently and it has it's own issues.

Plasma may not count for you. But all of the features you list above are Plasma strong points. IR is less and less of an issue every year. The F8500 has LED brightness levels with motion processing that put's ANY LED to shame. They certainly each have their weaknesses, but in this case it should be a contender. Not trying to start a plasma vs. LED thing here, but I don't think you can say it doesn't count. It should be a serious consideration for any buyer.
post #356 of 4320
Speaker,

I can tell you I purchased the new vt60 and had image retention every time I used it. It was mild and did go away but it was there and annoying.
post #357 of 4320
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

Plasma may not count for you. But all of the features you list above are Plasma strong points. IR is less and less of an issue every year. The F8500 has LED brightness levels with motion processing that put's ANY LED to shame. They certainly each have their weaknesses, but in this case it should be a contender. Not trying to start a plasma vs. LED thing here, but I don't think you can say it doesn't count. It should be a serious consideration for any buyer.

I'm not knocking plasma and like you said LED vs. Plasma both have pros and cons but it's unfair to lump a certain plasma, that may outperform, in the same category of the W900A or any competing LED. I was strictly just using LED/LCD TVs for comparison of the W900A.
post #358 of 4320
Wondering when this TV is going to be widely available... Still not available on Amazon, Best Buy, Crutchfield, etc.
post #359 of 4320
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Originally Posted by texashoser View Post

Wondering when this TV is going to be widely available... Still not available on Amazon, Best Buy, Crutchfield, etc.

That's weird. It's been on display and in stock ready to sell at a local retailer in KC for over a week now. Amazon has it listed as "in stock" on their site.

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KDL-55W900A-55-Inch-240Hz-Internet/dp/B00AWKBZ0M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369427397&sr=8-1&keywords=W900A
post #360 of 4320
I'm from HK. As far as I know :-

HX750 ====> W800A passive 3D ( or W802A in US )
HX850 ====> W900A active 3D
HX950 ====> W950A active 3D

W800A and W950A are just launched in HK and W900A will be launched soon.
If you need more info for each product, just visit Sony HK website :-

http://www.sonystyle.com.hk/ss/product/tv/index_e.jsp

cheers
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