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post #481 of 4333
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Originally Posted by spedgas View Post

I'm ready to buy, but I'm torn between the Sony W900a and the Samsung F8000. I've been looking forward to hearing about this tv for months now and I'm eager to hear about experiences of the brave early adopters. Thanks for the input.

I don't own the W900A, so I can't speak for that, but I did buy an F8000 in March. I have very little complaints about the F8000 except for the input lag and a slim viewing angle. 30 to 40ms under PC mode is normal for LCD televisions, but Sony's new sets can reach 8ms. Unbelievable.

On the other hand, the F8000's picture quality is superb. Colors are sharp, blacks are deep, and it has near perfect uniformity. My set has no flashlighting, clouding nor banding issues. My Sony HX850, the predecessor to the W900A, had obvious vertical banding during camera pans that drove me to return it despite its otherwise wonderful 2D image. 3D is also quite excellent with a bright, flicker-free image. I disliked the 3D on the HX850, but it sounds like Sony did a lot to reduce crosstalk for the W900A. I expect it might perform as well in that regard as the F8000, which keeps crosstalk to a minimum. Finally, build quality on the F8000 is superb. Its bezel and even its stand are practically invisible; it's all screen.

Between those two sets, it's a tough choice. You're not going to go wrong with either one. If you do a lot of competitive gaming you may want to go with the W900A, though the F8000's input lag is still perfectly acceptable. Both sets will have to disable a majority of their picture options to get that low input lag, and that may be one area where the F8000 could pull slightly ahead. Even with most of its picture options unavailable in PC mode, uniformity was still perfect. I'm curious to know if the W900A retains a uniform picture when game mode is enabled. An owner here will have to test that and I'd love to know the answer.
post #482 of 4333
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Originally Posted by AGuy01 View Post

I don't own the W900A, so I can't speak for that, but I did buy an F8000 in March. I have very little complaints about the F8000 except for the input lag and a slim viewing angle. 30 to 40ms under PC mode is normal for LCD televisions, but Sony's new sets can reach 8ms. Unbelievable.

On the other hand, the F8000's picture quality is superb. Colors are sharp, blacks are deep, and it has near perfect uniformity. My set has no flashlighting, clouding nor banding issues. My Sony HX850, the predecessor to the W900A, had obvious vertical banding during camera pans that drove me to return it despite its otherwise wonderful 2D image. 3D is also quite excellent with a bright, flicker-free image. I disliked the 3D on the HX850, but it sounds like Sony did a lot to reduce crosstalk for the W900A. I expect it might perform as well in that regard as the F8000, which keeps crosstalk to a minimum. Finally, build quality on the F8000 is superb. Its bezel and even its stand are practically invisible; it's all screen.

Between those two sets, it's a tough choice. You're not going to go wrong with either one. If you do a lot of competitive gaming you may want to go with the W900A, though the F8000's input lag is still perfectly acceptable. Both sets will have to disable a majority of their picture options to get that low input lag, and that may be one area where the F8000 could pull slightly ahead. Even with most of its picture options unavailable in PC mode, uniformity was still perfect. I'm curious to know if the W900A retains a uniform picture when game mode is enabled. An owner here will have to test that and I'd love to know the answer.

Great point - my F8000 has zero clouding, and I don't need any tricks or enhancements on to accomplish this. The screen is just clouding-free. According to reviews, the same cannot be said about the Sony. So disabling enhancements could make the clouding more visible on the Sony, where it wouldn't make any difference on the Samsung. There is still some flashlighitng to deal with on the Samsung, but clouding is a non-issue - a huge improvement over last year's ES series which was dreadful.
post #483 of 4333
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Originally Posted by cwallace56 View Post

Got it today!
Installed the basic cnet settings. Not so impressed...
Ran standard settings.... It started to pop. Vivid was, well Vivid!!!! But over the top, duh

Blacks are Black.... Unless you watch in a blacked out room.
No flash lighting. A small bit of left and right edge uniformity issue on white/bright scenes.
Colors nice!

Look, I've only spent a few hours with her so far, but the potential is there.

Watching bits of Star Trek... Pretty, pretty nice. Space is BLACK!!!

Will have to spend time with calibration and settings.
This will take some time.

To quote the Rocketer...."I like it!"

Cw

Never liked Cnet's Settings for TVs. I know some do and that's fine but I've bought a few TVs that Cnet said sucked (PQ) and ran their picture settings and could see why they didn't like it. I'm not a Vivid/Dynamic guy but Standard, IMO, is a lot better than Movie mode.
The edge uniformity on white/bright scenes is not there on an all black scene? Is it more of a DSE on the sides rather than edge bleed?
What do you mean by, "Blacks are Black... Unless in a blacked-out room?" Is this with Local Dimming on Standard, Low, or Off?
post #484 of 4333
Why oh why can't my STB communicate with my TV and tell it what channel it's on and allow a TV to have a different set of settings PER CHANNEL.

The saturation used by some of these channels are outrageous.
post #485 of 4333
Ok, stayed up toooooo late just watching TV last night on my new W900a. Now that I'm at a keyboard instead of an Ipad, just thought I'd write a few more thoughts.

When I loaded the Cnet settings, there just wasn't any pop to the picture. Seemed muddy, lacked contrast and sharpness. Tried tweeking things a bit, and then started trying the standard settings. Using General Picture, Standard produced that bright LED "POP". However, that setting comes with a lot of other things turned on, like MPEG compression, Motion Flow, etc. Didn't have the time to really start adding and subtracting to get it right. But what I did seem to find, that when using Cinema1, Custom, there just was not a way to get the picture to come alive. Increasing Picture, Brightness and Backlight just washed things out. I figured that I would just customize it to bring up the PQ, but that didn't work. Actually found it kind of funny that a Standard Picture setting produced the best PQ. It at least revealed the potential of the TV.

I know this is mostly a rehash of my earlier post, but what I'm going to be searching for is a better customized setup of the Picture Settings.
Sometime soon I'll haul out the calibration discs and give it a go. And if someone on AVS comes up with their best settings, I'll give them a try.

Haven't found any defects other than the slight edge uniformity that is really nothing. No white blobs, No Flash LIghting, No Banding.
Wasn't looking for Dirty Screen Effect, but didn't see it either. Yeah, there is some drop off in PQ once you increase the viewing angle, but once you have the initial
loss of contrast, which isn't that bad, it stays pretty good out to an extreme angle. The Glass Panel handles reflections very well, and I'm sure really helps with the contrast.

People have said that Sony this year is off their game. I'm not seeing it! (haha)
And sometimes it's the little things.... I can plug in my wireless headphones (my hearing is not the best) and easily and simultaneously provide sound
to the other viewers either through the TV or my Sound Bar. And speaking of sound, really not that bad. Not a lot of power, but very clear dialogue, which I struggle
with due to some hearing loss.

In the coming weeks, as people start getting these setup in their homes, we should start getting even better feedback an settings info.
I'll be curious once Best Buy gets this on display and see how it compares side to side with the Samsung's, Panasonics and Sharps. I would be surprised
if it wasn't THE standout in the crowd. We'll see....

Having Fun!
Cw
post #486 of 4333
Blacks are Black means.... they are not Blue, and that they are fantastic! Inky Black like Helvetica Said! Maybe crushed in some scenes,
but that might be tweaked with gamma settings.
The edge uniformity is just on very bright scenes with no detail (computer screen white, blue plain sky, no clouds). But really minor.
Motions seems great, with very few if any artifacts. The Basket Ball game tonight will be a good test! Or soccer, yeah sorry about that, but the wife is a big fan!

Hope this helps!

Cw
post #487 of 4333
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Great point - my F8000 has zero clouding, and I don't need any tricks or enhancements on to accomplish this. The screen is just clouding-free. According to reviews, the same cannot be said about the Sony. So disabling enhancements could make the clouding more visible on the Sony, where it wouldn't make any difference on the Samsung. There is still some flashlighitng to deal with on the Samsung, but clouding is a non-issue - a huge improvement over last year's ES series which was dreadful.

But with an input lag of 30ms there are some enhancements running that keep the screen uniform, ie dimming tricks. If there wasn't it would have lower input lag would it not?
post #488 of 4333
THERE IS NO CLOUDING ON MY W900a!
I have run custom settings, standard settings, and everything turned off. Clear Panel
I've returned a few TV's due to clouding, not this one.
Watching Star Trek last night, nothing! I run Media Center with a Centon Tuner.
With a Black PC screen, just black, inky black in a softly lit room. I am slightly suspicious that my PQ might be off
ever so slightly due to the Centon Tuner.... more on that later

When in a totally dark room, sure blacks are dark grey, just like in a movie theater!
This is not Plasma (thank god!!!). For me, Plasma has no "POP". I strain my eyes to watch it.
And my hearing is somewhat shot, but I can hear a Plasma.
Edited by cwallace56 - 6/6/13 at 10:53am
post #489 of 4333
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Originally Posted by cwallace56 View Post

Blacks are Black means.... they are not Blue, and that they are fantastic! Inky Black like Helvetica Said! Maybe crushed in some scenes,
but that might be tweaked with gamma settings.
The edge uniformity is just on very bright scenes with no detail (computer screen white, blue plain sky, no clouds). But really minor.
Motions seems great, with very few if any artifacts. The Basket Ball game tonight will be a good test! Or soccer, yeah sorry about that, but the wife is a big fan!

Hope this helps!

Cw

CW,

Please report back on the basketball game. I spend all my time watching sports on my tv's it seems like so I'll be interested in your feedback!
post #490 of 4333
so is triluminos function an on off feature or does it work only with triluminos bluray? Does it enhance overall PQ on everything? Cause input lag?
post #491 of 4333
My understanding is that triluminos is a physical treatment, not an electronic feature.
Therefore, always active, and should have no negative effects on the electronic functioning of the panel.
Please, anyone, correct me if I am wrong regarding this.
Feel like I should be getting college credits for all the information that I have absorbed regarding this TV.
Cw
post #492 of 4333
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Originally Posted by cwallace56 View Post

My understanding is that triluminos is a physical treatment, not an electronic feature.
Therefore, always active, and should have no negative effects on the electronic functioning of the panel.
Please, anyone, correct me if I am wrong regarding this.
Feel like I should be getting college credits for all the information that I have absorbed regarding this TV.
Cw

As far as I know, that's the case. The panel is simply capable of displaying more colors. But I was also under the impression that content has to be made specifically for/with the expanded color range. Your existing Blu-rays won't magically display those extra shades of red, for example. The W900A is still the top performer for color, however, even if your copy of Game of Thrones isn't utilizing the Triluminos technology.
post #493 of 4333
I'm having a problem getting the ARC to work.

Now I understand ARC is on HDMI 1.

So I have my amp hooked up to HDMI 1 and it is configured correctly with HDMI ARC turned on but when I use the APPS like BBC Iplayer etc I don't get any sound through the AMP.

I had the exact same setup for my Sony HX853 and that worked fine.

Any ideas?
post #494 of 4333
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Originally Posted by AGuy01 View Post

As far as I know, that's the case. The panel is simply capable of displaying more colors. But I was also under the impression that content has to be made specifically for/with the expanded color range. Your existing Blu-rays won't magically display those extra shades of red, for example. The W900A is still the top performer for color, however, even if your copy of Game of Thrones isn't utilizing the Triluminos technology.

Triluminos displays a much wider variation and intensity of colors even with standard content.
post #495 of 4333
The Triluminos tech should take advantage of the new Sony 4K mastered (but still 1080p) Blu Rays.
Im hoping the PS4 will also take advantage of it.

Have a look:
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2013/05/29/blu-ray-review-spider-man-mastered-4k-version
post #496 of 4333
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

But with an input lag of 30ms there are some enhancements running that keep the screen uniform, ie dimming tricks. If there wasn't it would have lower input lag would it not?

Honestly I can't say what causes the input lag, even in PC mode. What I can say is that with all dimming modes and all image enhancements disabled, the screen is completely free of any hint of clouding. And this is my third set - and all 3 F8000 panels were completely clouding free. The previous 2 had dead pixels so that's another issue entirely. I saw one site that said their review panel of the Sony set had a dead pixel, so it's not just Samsung that's guilty of that.

What's running that causes the 30ms lag in PC mode is not running for screen uniformity - it's likely just how the panel processes the image. It isn't for screen uniformity.
post #497 of 4333
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Originally Posted by helvetica bold View Post

The Triluminos tech should take advantage of the new Sony 4K mastered (but still 1080p) Blu Rays.
Im hoping the PS4 will also take advantage of it.

Have a look:
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2013/05/29/blu-ray-review-spider-man-mastered-4k-version

Correct.
post #498 of 4333
Just ordered the 46"!

Does anyone have any recommendations for picture settings in game mode?
post #499 of 4333
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Originally Posted by jasjw View Post

I'm having a problem getting the ARC to work.

Now I understand ARC is on HDMI 1.

So I have my amp hooked up to HDMI 1 and it is configured correctly with HDMI ARC turned on but when I use the APPS like BBC Iplayer etc I don't get any sound through the AMP.

I had the exact same setup for my Sony HX853 and that worked fine.

Any ideas?

Hey, I have an Onkyo 515 plugged in to my W9 through the ARC hdmi 1 slot, if I turn the av reciever on the tv switches off the internal speakers and sends audio to the av unit no problem.
Just checking but you have the ARC function turned on on your amp?
post #500 of 4333
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Originally Posted by mikeonthetube View Post

Hey, I have an Onkyo 515 plugged in to my W9 through the ARC hdmi 1 slot, if I turn the av reciever on the tv switches off the internal speakers and sends audio to the av unit no problem.
Just checking but you have the ARC function turned on on your amp?

Thanks for the reply.

Yes I do have ARC turned on on my AMP.

Also the TV keeps blacking out for a second when watching my Blu Ray playing.

I think I may have a faulty HDMI1.
post #501 of 4333
Finally got a chance to try the PS3 last night. W9 is great for gaming, and so far Im happy with mine. There are time it looks like i have
some flash lighting or clouding but its pretty minimal. Overall a very solid picture. I took some quick snaps, these
were captured in gaming "standard" but after i switched to original. Anyone care to share their game settings.
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post #502 of 4333
Ok, the game was great last night on the W900a.
My ceton tuner was not putting out the signal quality that this TV deserves,
but a direct Cable feed was awesome.
I was even upscaling 720p at times and that looked great.

I have some work to do on my Ceton Media Center Setup.
This new TV brings out some faults. Mostly think it is calibration issues with my Raden 6570 that is outputting to the TV.
Cw
post #503 of 4333
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Originally Posted by jasjw View Post

Thanks for the reply.

Yes I do have ARC turned on on my AMP.

Also the TV keeps blacking out for a second when watching my Blu Ray playing.

I think I may have a faulty HDMI1.

Does it go black when its just in the middle of playing a video or when you click items in the blu ray menu?

Also in the W9 settings, under sound, try playing with changing speakers to audio system, I think thats what should change automatically, and try changing audio out to 'fixed'. This is what the manual suggests doing. I'm not sure what mine is on as I'm not at home at the moment.

Edit: I did play around with the sound settings when I first got it though.
post #504 of 4333
just received my w900a from best buy they matched buy.com price of $2,361.

I had an HX850 which lasted on 4 month since Sony didn't have any in stock they gave me most of my money back.

Just turned the set on and right now not as good as the HX850.

HX850 much sharper detail.

Anyone have some recommended settings that I can play around with. Will have Geek Squad to calibrate after 100 hr os usease

Stevez1
post #505 of 4333
Steve, I've only had my w900a a few days, but have found the stock setups for sharpness are set too low.
I found going from the standard 50 to the 75 range helped a lot to remove that "soft" look.
I call it the Plasma look (haha).

Cnet has some setting listed in their review, but I didn't care for them.
In the coming weekend I'm going through my calibration disc and see what I get.

The 3 things I found most helpful in getting the picture to "pop"
Increase the sharpness
Increase picture to 90+
I decreased the gamma setting in the advanced menu.

Also, the stock "Scene" settings for General/Standard are a good place to start.
Cinema1 and 2 have a washed out look to them no matter what I tweeked.
Sports/Standard had a good look to it with some tweeking like decreasing the backlight back to 6 or 7,

It is going to take a bit longer to figure out what I like on and off in the motion settings and black enhancement.
post #506 of 4333
New review posted at Home Theater:
http://www.hometheater.com/content/sony-kdl-55w900a-3d-lcd-hdtv

Have to disagree with reviewers about the value of Triluminos for standard material. IME it displays variations of color other HDTV's cannot. Only those who prefer a bland calibrated pq for all material will object.
post #507 of 4333
Nice Review above.... But I don't get everyone using the Cinema 1 setting for their Setup and Review.
I have found no matter what I tweak, Cinema 1 lacks punch and contrast. Blacks aren't as inky, and everything looks washed out.

Is it just me? ... this is the only time I've found this set to suffer in PQ.
I've always thought these "Preset" modes were just a mix of possible user adjustments.

From what I've experienced, there must also be some software changes induced beyond the user controlled presets,
otherwise I would be able to tweak the settings to match other modes. Doesn't work that way.
Anyone care to expand on this....

Cw
post #508 of 4333
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Originally Posted by cwallace56 View Post

Nice Review above.... But I don't get everyone using the Cinema 1 setting for their Setup and Review.
I have found no matter what I tweak, Cinema 1 lacks punch and contrast. Blacks aren't as inky, and everything looks washed out.

Is it just me? ... this is the only time I've found this set to suffer in PQ.
I've always thought these "Preset" modes were just a mix of possible user adjustments.

From what I've experienced, there must also be some software changes induced beyond the user controlled presets,
otherwise I would be able to tweak the settings to match other modes. Doesn't work that way.
Anyone care to expand on this....

Cw
They use Cinema 1 because it is probably very close to industry standard of D65. Calibration disc will only get you so far, real calibration requires a colorimeter to set your grayscale properly. I will be calibrating it as soon as I get it with i1Display.
post #509 of 4333
Thanks

It took me a few weeks to get the HX850 to where almost every channel was really sharp, that included non HD channels such as Encore etc.

Will start playing around tonight.

Also seems like speakers aren't any better than the HX850.

Will have to connect sound bar again, was hoping to due without it.

Hope I'm not disappointed, waited a long time for this set.

Would have gotten the X900 but too big with those speakers on the side, 900A just fits on the wall.


Stevez1
post #510 of 4333
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Honestly I can't say what causes the input lag, even in PC mode. What I can say is that with all dimming modes and all image enhancements disabled, the screen is completely free of any hint of clouding. And this is my third set - and all 3 F8000 panels were completely clouding free. The previous 2 had dead pixels so that's another issue entirely. I saw one site that said their review panel of the Sony set had a dead pixel, so it's not just Samsung that's guilty of that.

What's running that causes the 30ms lag in PC mode is not running for screen uniformity - it's likely just how the panel processes the image. It isn't for screen uniformity.

But isn't micro dimming always active (excluding movie mode)?
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