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post #871 of 4324
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Originally Posted by sodaro55 View Post

I have seen two like this. We sent one back to Sony, and have another that looks the same. It looks pink even if you are just a little off axis. I do not think this is correct. Does anyone else have this problem?? Or have one that doesn't do this?

I confirmed that this is indeed normal. It is an artifact of the triluminous display technology.
post #872 of 4324
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

You're gonna see DSE on almost all LCDs, IMO. I've had many through the years, cheap and expensive, and all of 'em had it...

I've seen plenty of clean LCDs that don't do it, and I don't care what anyone says, but at this price range it's a pretty glaring fault.
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it's not noticeable unless it's a panning shot.

I use this thing mostly for games and trust me, panning shots are very hard not to come by.

..Still haven't returned my set. Still not sure what to do. I guess I'm waiting for someone who has a 46" to tell me that they DEFINITELY don't have DSE on theirs.
post #873 of 4324
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

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Originally Posted by sodaro55 View Post

I have seen two like this. We sent one back to Sony, and have another that looks the same. It looks pink even if you are just a little off axis. I do not think this is correct. Does anyone else have this problem?? Or have one that doesn't do this?

I confirmed that this is indeed normal. It is an artifact of the triluminous display technology.

 

I'm sorry, but No.  Way.  Jose.  Where did you "confirm" this?

 

There is a standard "full screen magenta" test that calibration BD's (like Disney's WOW disk) will put up to let you see if there is a redish or bluish shift based upon left/right viewing angle.  It's an artifact of LCD technology (not Triluminous in particular).  If Triluminous made this that much worse, it'd be the first thing complained about, and I'm not seeing that.  Are you?

 

Further: There is no such thing as an artifact like that being somehow acceptable for a TV in that price range!

post #874 of 4324
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Originally Posted by jobble9 View Post

I've seen plenty of clean LCDs that don't do it, and I don't care what anyone says, but at this price range it's a pretty glaring fault.
I use this thing mostly for games and trust me, panning shots are very hard not to come by.

..Still haven't returned my set. Still not sure what to do. I guess I'm waiting for someone who has a 46" to tell me that they DEFINITELY don't have DSE on theirs.

My LCD has vertical and horizontal banding as well as DSE. I only see it with panning shots on cartoons. I play a lot of video games too and only notice it 20% of the time. I never said all LCDs have it and I've seen a few that are clean too but you're most likely gonna have the same on a 46". You should probably go to the UK Site and check around because 55" is the only size on W900A in the US.
post #875 of 4324
I can speak to the fragility of the screen. I was using a tape measure to ensure the tv was centered on my stand and gently touched the screen with the extended end while switching sides. I looked carefully and found a scratch in the middle of the screen. It's small and invisible with the tv off from a few feet away. Once the fear subsided I was shocked it left a mark. It's unnoticeable while watching. I feel like I got off with a warning on this one.
post #876 of 4324
For all you people freaking out over the pink hue off axis, you do realize this TV uses a S-PVA screen. This is a fairly common thing on S-PVA and S-IPS displays off axis. I could easily demonstrate this same characteristic on one of my computer monitors. This isn't something Sony can fix.
Edited by vaxick - 7/22/13 at 9:39pm
post #877 of 4324
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Originally Posted by vaxick View Post

For all you people freaking out over the pink hue off axis, you do realize this TV uses a S-PVA screen. This is a fairly common thing on S-PVA and IPS displays off axis. I could easily demonstrate this same characteristic on one of my computer monitors. This isn't something Sony can fix.

pictures certainly would help convince people
post #878 of 4324
Here, this is a photo of a Dell monitor that has a IPS LCD display in it. This is a off angle photo on a black screen and this is the type of discoloration you will see on it. Notice it turns pink. This isn't a "defect" on your Sony television, this a normal occurrence with S-PVA and S-IPS displays.


Edited by vaxick - 7/22/13 at 9:41pm
post #879 of 4324
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Originally Posted by vaxick View Post

Here, this is a photo of a Dell monitor that has a IPS LCD display in it. This is a off angle photo on a black screen and this is the type of discoloration you will see on it. Notice it turns pink. This isn't a "defect" on your Sony television, this a normal occurrence with S-PVA and IPS displays.

IPS whites don't turn pink. It appeared to me the guy was posting a white screen that turned pink off-axis.
post #880 of 4324
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

IPS whites don't turn pink. It appeared to me the guy was posting a white screen that turned pink off-axis.

I made a typo, I meant to say S-IPS, but yes, it will turn pink off axis, this is normal with the displays Sony is using from LG. I could easily do this with my computer monitor that also has a LG display panel inside of it, but I don't have a source hooked up to it right now as my computer is torn apart.

Here's a video showing what occurs to S-IPS displays off axis.

http://youtu.be/PUCprmxndaE
Edited by vaxick - 7/22/13 at 9:45pm
post #881 of 4324
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Originally Posted by vaxick View Post

I made a typo, I meant to say S-IPS.

Sorry, I didn't realize that's a property of any IPS. So S-IPS whites really do appear pink off-axis? If so, that's a bummer. It doesn't happen with my NEC 20WMGX2 or iPod Touch 5th generation, which are both some flavor of IPS.
post #882 of 4324
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Originally Posted by vaxick View Post

I made a typo, I meant to say S-IPS, but yes, it will turn pink off axis, this is normal with the displays Sony is using from LG. I could easily do this with my computer monitor that also has a LG display panel inside of it, but I don't have a source hooked up to it right now as my computer is torn apart.

Here's a video showing what occurs to S-IPS displays off axis.

http://youtu.be/PUCprmxndaE

This is not true. Your video link shows the contrast washout on IPS displays, not color shift. I have a 27" LG S-IPS monitor and from off angles it does not change color. Also, the reason why it is not a big deal on this tv is because it only happens on extreme angles and its also only noticeable on a full white screen, not black, not any color. Full white. Not to mention the w900a does not use an IPS panel. From what ive found it is using a panel from samsung.

Forgot to add, that picture I took HIGHLY EXAGGERATES the color hue. It is very faint in real life.
Edited by *UFO* - 7/22/13 at 11:10pm
post #883 of 4324
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

I'm sorry, but No.  Way.  Jose.  Where did you "confirm" this?

There is a standard "full screen magenta" test that calibration BD's (like Disney's WOW disk) will put up to let you see if there is a redish or bluish shift based upon left/right viewing angle.  It's an artifact of LCD technology (not Triluminous in particular).  If Triluminous made this that much worse, it'd be the first thing complained about, and I'm not seeing that.  Are you?

Further: There is no such thing as an artifact like that being somehow acceptable for a TV in that price range!

Do you own a w900a? If not, then please stop posting how this tv is just horrible and not worth the money. It is very worth the 2299.99 and highly surpasses the r550a in picture quality. The colors, the sharpness, the black level, just look at the cnet review. They even went as far as saying its the best 2013 LED thus far. I returned an hx950 in favor of the w900a, party because of input lag, and partly because the picture was much more flat. If anything sony should raise the price. Its sold out in all stores within a 50 mile radius of me. Every time a set comes out that most people cant afford they nit pick at every flaw to justify their lesser purchases. The w900a is an EXCELLENT set.
post #884 of 4324
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post


This is not true. I have a 27" LG S-IPS monitor and from off angles it does not change color. Also, the reason why it is not a big deal on this tv is because it only happens on extreme angles and its also only noticeable on a full white screen, not black, not any color. Full white. Not to mention the w900a does not use an IPS panel. From what ive found it is using a panel from samsung.

Forgot to add, that picture I took HIGHLY EXAGGERATES the color hue. It is very faint in real life.

I never said they all do, but it has been found in a lot of models. Not all are going to have it, there are a lot of factors involved in the manufacturing of the panel when it comes to what filters are used. Yours shouldn't have it if it is quite new. IPS technology has advanced a lot and color shifts aren't as prominent anymore. IPS is just bad for televisions because black levels are the weakest links on IPS panels and they also are a bit slower in response times. IPS is intended for users who need color accuracy. PVA is the next best thing to IPS for color accuracy, but it isn't as good off axis. The trade off is it's a faster panel and produces deeper black levels.

These posts are merely to explain to people this isn't some sort of defect, it's just something that can come with certain LCD panels.
post #885 of 4324
I agree its for sure not a defect.
post #886 of 4324
Here are some pictures that show the brilliant colors and black level. Of course, it looks much better in person.


post #887 of 4324
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Originally Posted by bbydon View Post

Seems like a price increase to the price increase. :/

And for those wonder what happened to the monolithic design... look no further than China's w950a. It has one sheet of glass over the whole thing. How the w900a probably should have been designed. China gets both the w900a and w950a, both edge lit.

http://www.sonystyle.com.cn/products/bravia/w950a.htm

The whole of Asia gets the W900 and the W950 in 40, 46 and 55 inches.
post #888 of 4324
Hello everyone, Long time user here, Not alot of posts. So today I got my 55W900. Great TV, Eyes are straining a little bit to get used to the screen. But I do need some help. I run everything through a Denon AVR-E400. Now the Receiver has HDMI pass through when the receiver is off. It worked fine on my old TV but its not letting HD signal pass through on this TV, Only standard def. Now when I turn the receiver on everything is fine. What happens is when I go to a HD channel with the receiver off. The screen flickers on and off. Constantly it sucks heh. Any suggestions?


Also this is a very long thread, Can someone link me to some good calibration settings? Preferably for gaming and Blu ray movies.
post #889 of 4324
Can anyone post their 55W905 photo with white frame to sport the pillars on it?
post #890 of 4324
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Originally Posted by ppetros View Post

Can anyone post their 55W905 photo with white frame to sport the pillars on it?

The side pillars are so faint on my w900a it is not possible to photograph.
post #891 of 4324
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Originally Posted by spedgas View Post

I can speak to the fragility of the screen. I was using a tape measure to ensure the tv was centered on my stand and gently touched the screen with the extended end while switching sides. I looked carefully and found a scratch in the middle of the screen. It's small and invisible with the tv off from a few feet away. Once the fear subsided I was shocked it left a mark. It's unnoticeable while watching. I feel like I got off with a warning on this one.

 

The sony screens are absurdly soft IMO.

 

However, I had marks on my screen from my cleaning lady who completely ignored my demand to not dust or touch the set in any way.  They went away with a slightly dampened microfiber cloth.  Get a good one and be *very very* light with it.

post #892 of 4324
So I posted this over on the other forums, but this is how bad my DSE is on my 46" W9. It doesn't show up as well on camera as it does in person, but if you look at the top portion of the image, you should see it.

I know not many people here have a 46", though given this is the worldwide web, if someone here does not have this problem and has a 46", I'd appreciate it if you said so.
post #893 of 4324
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

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Originally Posted by sodaro55 View Post

I have seen two like this. We sent one back to Sony, and have another that looks the same. It looks pink even if you are just a little off axis. I do not think this is correct. Does anyone else have this problem?? Or have one that doesn't do this?

I confirmed that this is indeed normal. It is an artifact of the triluminous display technology.

 

I'm sorry, but No.  Way.  Jose.  Where did you "confirm" this?

 

There is a standard "full screen magenta" test that calibration BD's (like Disney's WOW disk) will put up to let you see if there is a redish or bluish shift based upon left/right viewing angle.  It's an artifact of LCD technology (not Triluminous in particular).  If Triluminous made this that much worse, it'd be the first thing complained about, and I'm not seeing that.  Are you?

 

Further: There is no such thing as an artifact like that being somehow acceptable for a TV in that price range!

 

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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

Do you own a w900a? If not, then please stop posting how this tv is just horrible and not worth the money.

 

I didn't there.  Re-read what I wrote.  What I'm challenging is this statement of yours "I confirmed that this is indeed normal. It is an artifact of the triluminous display technology", NOT whether or not the TV is horrible or not.  It is not normal.

 

What I said was that for a TV in this price range, there is no such thing as an artifact like that being acceptable.  I don't see legions of people complaining about this to that extent.  "Pink when just a little off axis"? <---remember that statement by sodaro55 above?  That's clearly an outlier.  It better be, because "pink when just a little off axis" is a very bad sign, one I don't believe of the W900A.

post #894 of 4324
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Originally Posted by jobble9 View Post

So I posted this over on the other forums, but this is how bad my DSE is on my 46" W9. It doesn't show up as well on camera as it does in person, but if you look at the top portion of the image, you should see it.

I know not many people here have a 46", though given this is the worldwide web, if someone here does not have this problem and has a 46", I'd appreciate it if you said so.

 

It shows up even worse than that?  That seems like too much to me.  Even my R550A isn't that "dirty".

post #895 of 4324
Is that DSE just as apparent in other games/other things?


You may want to try one of these DSE tests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDzcnxglmIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtmqhAtdjE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on_jB7XjGzg
post #896 of 4324
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Originally Posted by MrBonk View Post

Is that DSE just as apparent in other games/other things?


You may want to try one of these DSE tests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDzcnxglmIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtmqhAtdjE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on_jB7XjGzg

Testing all other LCD displays I have, they all fail these tests. Even my macbook pro's screen. I feel this is just a short coming of LCD's. My plasma does not have any DSE from these tests.
post #897 of 4324
Some plasmas do suffer from DSE too. But yeah it seems to be a shortcoming of LCD in general. What about with any kind of smoothing/motion interpolation? I wonder if that would make a difference
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Do Samsung active 3d glasses work on the Sony W900a?
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Originally Posted by SamOner View Post

Do Samsung active 3d glasses work on the Sony W900a?

Yes.
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