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It would probably be a "bugus" answer. biggrin.gif
More speculation instead of seeking an anwser
post #212 of 331
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I gotcha...smile.gif

You appear to be the only person who has wasted his money on these somewhat substandard cables in fancy dress. You appear to be the only one who got gotten. ;-)
post #213 of 331
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Figure of speech. Besides I'm not interested in how someone else makes obvious errors. it is easy enough to do - I've done it many times.
It isn't a figure of speech...its speculation on your part...and saying your not interested is convenient to not get the truth...but you sure like to argue.
post #214 of 331
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You appear to be the only person who has wasted his money on these somewhat substandard cables in fancy dress. You appear to be the only one who got gotten. ;-)
And I'm beting before I made my post no one here has heard of them.
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And I'm beting before I made my post no one here has heard of them.

Naw AntiCables has been mentioned here before
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It isn't a figure of speech...its speculation on your part....
While you addressed arny, I'll mention..
I would take it as both. As I recall, nordost valhalla's did indeed have a decimal point slip a few years ago which I pointed out. I believe it was fixed as a result.

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And I'm beting before I made my post no one here has heard of them.
Actually, they've been around a while. Even I have heard of them.

I will point out that the use of magnet wire in any geometry does indeed lower the LC product a bit as a consequence of wire centroid spacings, but my concern would be that of wire to wire insulation integrity. Using magnet wire in the wild without physical protection, and even just twisting the conductors together would be a concern to me.

I typically use magnet wire with triple or even quad buildup (see MSW), and both enamel and polyimide insulation integrity concerns me. The only exception was the #49 awg copper wire, I bought that single build enamel for packing density.

jn
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Naw AntiCables has been mentioned here before[/quote]

Your right...smile.gif



http://www.avsforum.com/newsearch/?search=anticables&type=all
post #218 of 331
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While you addressed arny, I'll mention..
I would take it as both. As I recall, nordost valhalla's did indeed have a decimal point slip a few years ago which I pointed out. I believe it was fixed as a result.
Actually, they've been around a while. Even I have heard of them.

I will point out that the use of magnet wire in any geometry does indeed lower the LC product a bit as a consequence of wire centroid spacings, but my concern would be that of wire to wire insulation integrity. Using magnet wire in the wild without physical protection, and even just twisting the conductors together would be a concern to me.

I typically use magnet wire with triple or even quad buildup (see MSW), and both enamel and polyimide insulation integrity concerns me. The only exception was the #49 awg copper wire, I bought that single build enamel for packing density.

jn
According to Paul the anti cable is not common magnet wire...if you think it is I'm sure Paul can tell you better than I can...smile.gif
post #219 of 331
Then ask Paul if you can "cut and paste" the technical info/specs/data that he's provided to you for everyone to see. That would hopefully alleviate the speculation.
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According to Paul the anti cable is not common magnet wire...
Of course he says that, or else he can't justify the greatly increased cost of his product over magnet wire, plus some cost to terminate.
post #221 of 331
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Then ask Paul if you can "cut and paste" the technical info/specs/data that he's provided to you for everyone to see. That would hopefully alleviate the speculation.
The technical information is on his site...I would like to know what I have that is different?
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Of course he says that, or else he can't justify the greatly increased cost of his product over magnet wire, plus some cost to terminate.
Then it sounds like you have grounds for a lawsuit...let me know when you get a check from proving his info as bogus.
post #223 of 331
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According to Paul the anti cable is not common magnet wire...if you think it is I'm sure Paul can tell you better than I can...smile.gif
Paul might be picking nits here. Maybe it's alternator or motor wire. They come in different gauges, shapes, and coatings (insulation) to meet requirements for things like temperature resistance.
post #224 of 331
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Paul might be picking nits here. Maybe it's alternator or motor wire. They come in different gauges, shapes, and coatings (insulation) to meet requirements for things like temperature resistance.
I'm aware of what magnet wire is...here is the tech info from his site


http://anticables.com/technical
Edited by josh6113 - 2/25/13 at 3:15pm
post #225 of 331
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.....he is an EE so I'm sure he isn't crazy.
I didn't know a degree immunizes one from bs, etc. The list of degreed people who embrace the dark side is very long indeed.
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.....he is an EE so I'm sure he isn't crazy.
I didn't know a degree immunizes one from bs, etc. The list of degreed people who embrace the dark side is very long indeed.

There are things that EE programs usually teach and other things they don't usually teach. Psychoacoustics which is the science of what we hear and don't hear is often in the "don't teach" category, even more so in the past.

Furthermore, not all graduates get all of the topics that they were taught. Finally, a lot of the details get fuzzy as times pass. And some people will go against what they learned to make a buck.
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And saying your not interested is convenient to not get the truth...but you sure like to argue.

You seem to be unaware of the fact that all arguments have at least two participants. Well, I have seen people argue with themselves, but every post I've made towards you has been a reply to something you said.

You also seem to be unaware of the benefits of a good technical education. For example if you don't know Ohm's law and don't have dozens of years of experience with its wonderful predictive powers, it might easy for you to dismiss it or accept attempts to contradict it. I learned it at age 11 or so. I'm hooked! ;-)
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Of course he says that, or else he can't justify the greatly increased cost of his product over magnet wire, plus some cost to terminate.
Then it sounds like you have grounds for a lawsuit...let me know when you get a check from proving his info as bogus.

The guy with the better grounds for a lawsuit is you. I'm not in a position to claim real damages if you know what they are...
post #229 of 331
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The guy with the better grounds for a lawsuit is you. I'm not in a position to claim real damages if you know what they are...
Sure you are...everything you know about the anti cable you concider false...there's your argument.
post #230 of 331
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If you think the numbers are bugus send Paul speltz and email or call him and ask...he is an EE so I'm sure he isn't crazy.

Is he?
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Is he?
If you mean an EE you would know that from reading his website... Call him yourself if your doubtful
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If you mean an EE you would know that from reading his website... Call him yourself if your doubtful

Oh, Ok, if he says so on his website it must be a fact!

And yes, I did look at his website and it speaks volumes he is not.
Edited by Glimmie - 2/26/13 at 12:07am
post #233 of 331
Just out of curiosity Josh, did you open up your speakers and power amp and replace all that nasty off the shelf, Chinese super bulk priced plain old tinned copper wire with anti cable conductors? What about all the PCB traces with flow- soldered alloy solder over a plain old copper clad board? What did you do with all the alloy leads on all the components?
post #234 of 331
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The guy with the better grounds for a lawsuit is you. I'm not in a position to claim real damages if you know what they are...
Sure you are...everything you know about the anti cable you concider false...there's your argument.

Lawsuits have a critical element called standing. I've actually sued people (even lawyers) and won and collected. That included doing my own paperwork and arguing my case in court. One of the first things I had to show is that I suffered actual damages. So far I haven't any actual damages from speaker cable manufacturers and I hope to keep it that way! ;-)

Here's a little light reading for you:

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/s064.htm
post #235 of 331
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Just out of curiosity Josh, did you open up your speakers and power amp and replace all that nasty off the shelf, Chinese super bulk priced plain old tinned copper wire with anti cable conductors? What about all the PCB traces with flow- soldered alloy solder over a plain old copper clad board? What did you do with all the alloy leads on all the components?

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post #236 of 331
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According to Paul the anti cable is not common magnet wire...if you think it is I'm sure Paul can tell you better than I can...smile.gif
He picked high purity and coated it to 1 mil thickness with a red insulation. I cannot tell if it's kapton (polyimid), formvar, or enamel. Regardless, 1 mil thickness in a single layer is too thin for my applications. There is just too many possibilities for pinholes. A double build total 1 mil is not easy, would alleviate pinhole defects a bit more, but is still a rather thin coating.

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Then it sounds like you have grounds for a lawsuit...let me know when you get a check from proving his info as bogus.
Descriptors can be anything the vendor wants, lawsuits require proof of damages. Bad data on a website is not damaging. If I were requested to provide expert testimony against Paul on bad data, the first thing I'd say is the measurements are difficult to get accurately.

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Paul might be picking nits here. Maybe it's alternator or motor wire. They come in different gauges, shapes, and coatings (insulation) to meet requirements for things like temperature resistance.
The quoted insulation thickness is kinda small, most apps would have issues with it.

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Sure you are...everything you know about the anti cable you concider false...there's your argument.

I'm not sure arny said everything is false. I think I'm the only one to state some of the data is incorrect. Aside from descriptors, I've seen nothing that warrants an argument over it.
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Oh, Ok, if he says so on his website it must be a fact!

And yes, I did look at his website and it speaks volumes he is not.
Lack of lots of engineering stuff doesn't mean he's not an EE. It probably means he doesn't want to put his viewers to sleep. I see no reason for him to spout EEspeak and just confuse guys like me.

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Just out of curiosity Josh, did you open up your speakers and power amp and replace all that nasty off the shelf, Chinese super bulk priced plain old tinned copper wire with anti cable conductors? What about all the PCB traces with flow- soldered alloy solder over a plain old copper clad board? What did you do with all the alloy leads on all the components?

I would tend to consider the output node as the fixed source, as playing with the wires in front of the node is within the fb loop. At the speaker terminals, I would tend to go lumped element. Trying to go beyond that in the speaker is not a good way to go, as the voice coils in the gap have velocity dependent non linearities. Treating the speaker wire as a standalone entitiy is fine, as long as it's considered accurately.

jn
post #237 of 331
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Thanks for the reply Jneutron...my responses seem childish at times but when others just mouth off I will too...but thanks for addressing the posts...smile.gif
post #238 of 331
John, what do you think about taking that coated wire and subjecting it to some LN2 cryo treatment?
post #239 of 331
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John, what do you think about taking that coated wire and subjecting it to some LN2 cryo treatment?
From what I have read you cannot cryo coated copper like that or it will chip...the cro process needs to be done before hand.
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If you mean an EE you would know that from reading his website...

I guess one could not possibly have searched the Internet, copied and pasted stuff together then????rolleyes.gif
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