Lets talk AntiCables...;) - Page 3

Not really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_wire

. "To justify claims of enhanced audio quality, many marketers of high-end speaker cables cite electrical properties such as skin effect, characteristic impedance or resonance; properties which are generally little understood by consumers. None of these have any measurable effect at audio frequencies, though each matters at radio frequencies.[12] Industry experts have disproved the higher quality claims through measurement of the sound systems and through double-blind ABX tests of listeners.[4][13] There is however agreement that the overall resistance of the speaker wire should not be too high.[4]"


Thanks for posting that link that clearly refutes your contention:
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You might try reading some of the reference material in that Wiki link you posted.

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#differences

I guess you missed the parts about testing in the many times you read it. "Gordon Gow's Speaker Wire Listening Test" and "Stereo Review Dares to Tell the Truth".

Meanwhile, I suggest you open your checkbook and start buying all sorts of exotic cables and power cords because they all feature testimonials about how they improve sound. And you'll never know whether you are missing something if you don't try them all out.

Of course, spending on better speakers and room treatments might actually make a difference. But why bother with something so pedestrian as that.
Edited by BIslander - 2/23/13 at 5:59pm

I guess it is all about "belief". If you don't believe those-then they are not true

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And if you "believe" that the speaker wire make a difference---then it does

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at least to you.

As with most audio "tweaks"-it is ALL about belief-there is no reason to "confuse" them with the truth.

Don't let the power grid switching hit you in the but on the way out.

I know a lot of Bose owners (sorry fellas) who love to praise their cubes!

Time for the moderators to close this thread. Past time, actually.

I don't think anyone here would argue with what you experienced, just your interpretation. Everyone has their own reality, even if it isn't the same reality most of use live in. Now you are getting ridiculous. There is absolutely no evidence for that. The usual argument is that discerning listeners can hear a difference even if the average Joe cannot. That would have been a much better claim to make. At least you could argue that one.

I think disbelieve is the operative word. The other word that comes to mind is snakeoil...

If you don't understand that, I am afraid I cannot explain it to you. How do you know if you have tried them? The problems with the kind of "test" you performed have already been explained to you. Yes, you apparently are ignorant of the physics underlying cable performance and I disbelieve that anticables are audibly superior to the equivalent gauge zip cord.

In any case, this thread is becoming boring. Enjoy your anticables, I'll being enjoying my zip cord.
Edited by Colm - 2/23/13 at 9:03pm

This is perhaps an understandable mistake, but nonetheless is absolutely untrue.

No, actually. I have and still might hear a difference after swapping cables. But I understand why I have heard a difference, you do not.

The difference between us is not in our hearing ability, but rather in our education. And, perhaps, in our willingness to receive it.

I would love to give them a try. There are several sets of GOOD EARS that I work with.

We could setup a BLIND test and see how often we could pick them out.

We would compare against standard 12 ga "tour" type speaker cables. Nothing special at all-except a tougher outer jacket.

We could even do it with score cards and nobody talks during the testing.

If you can't pick them out in a blind test-then there is no difference.

So please send me a pair (or even one and I will be glad to test it.

We will send it right back in the condition it was received.

But I am sure that when it comes back that we could not tell a difference-the excuse would be the "standard"- WELLLLLLL the rest of your system under test was not up to the same quality as the cables-so you can't appreciate the difference until you upgrade the system"

OR "You did not leave the cables in place long enough for them to break in with the new electronics connected-therefore they weren't working as good as they could"--You know-the electrons had not settled in yet.

Or some other excuse. For the hard core believer there will always be an "excuse" why others cannot hear the difference.. But yet THEY are not willing to do blind testing-because it will suspend their "belief" that the cables are better.

You seem to have a misconception of blind tests requiring the subject to actually be blindfolded. That may be the case when you visit your local dominatrix but then you have to have one of those ball gags.

Since when are relations between two consenting adults, porn?

Btw, how do you feel about women playing with men in symphonies and orchestras?

If someone offers you two cents for it, take it. You will definitely be getting the better of the deal.

It was a joke son but the part about your feelings regarding the influx of women in orchestras and such was serious.