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post #181 of 582
The inevitable has finally happened....
The old Earl is out and the new guy is Boss.

A little twist tonite is Ragnar's denial of allowing the widow to light the funeral pyre....
I have to assume this was meant as some kind of insult or punishment to the former first family.

One thing is for sure, the assassination of the Swedish King will come back to bite the community on the arse...wink.gif
post #182 of 582
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what is with the wrist slit. i thought he was going to put axe in hand. i always thought you had to die with sword in hand to go to valhalla.
post #183 of 582
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

What did rollo say to Ragnar when they embraced right after ragnar became earl?

I replayed that four times and couldn't quite get it. I wonder whether Rollo plans to "help" Ragnar die in battle or if something more suttle is planned. Rollo is turning into a very devious person. I read his refusal to give up Ragnar for killing the Earl's brother as a long range plan. Have Ragnar kill the Earl then he can take care of Ragnar by being trusted and close.
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what is with the wrist slit. i thought he was going to put axe in hand. i always thought you had to die with sword in hand to go to valhalla.

He took the fatal blow in battle, that's good enough. I think that slitting the wrist was a way of helping him die a bit swifter than laying in pain and a sign of respect. He didn't like him, but he respected him.


Looks like the English will once again under estimate the raiding party. Did English kings always lounge about with their crowns on? Seems a bit pretentious, but then again the producers might be trying to emphasize that they weren't ready in any way, shape or form, for the Vikings. Then again, they did demonstrate that this monarch is very hard and brutal. Looking forward to next week.
post #184 of 582
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Originally Posted by Taubs View Post

what is with the wrist slit.
Mercy?

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i thought he was going to put axe in hand. i always thought you had to die with sword in hand to go to valhalla.
I don't think it is meant literally.
I believe the idea is to die "in battle."
post #185 of 582
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Originally Posted by billybobg View Post

I replayed that four times and couldn't quite get it.

i believe he said "how are we to be equals now"
post #186 of 582
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Originally Posted by Taubs View Post

i believe he said "how are we to be equals now"
That's what I heard too.
post #187 of 582
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Originally Posted by Taubs View Post

i believe he said "how are we to be equals now"

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That's what I heard too.

Well, there's a vacancy in Sweden. Maybe, Rags will grab the guys and go setup Rollo...or he can do it himself. Nah, Rollo's always been jealous and only followed Ragnar for his own reasons. Loyalty being far down the list.
post #188 of 582
Yes that was it. I often have to watch this show with the CC on. They do a lot of muttering on this show.

Great death scene for the Earl. As a longtime fan of Gabriel Byrne, it was good to see him fight valiently on the journey to Valhalla. Of course, I remember him most recently for playing Dr. Paul Weston, the shrink who had his own shrink, in HBO's ambitious psychiatric drama 'In Treatment'. Loved that show. Wonder how Dr. Weston would have evaluated Earl Haraldson? My guess is clinical paranoia coupled with an over-inflated ego and control issues. tongue.gif

So now Rollo is now going to be plotting against his brother. That provides the necessary internal conflict now that the Earl is gone. And as for why he didn't give up Ragnar during Rag's convalescence, my guess is he may not have even known that his brother was at Floki's place. After all, Ragnar chose not to go to his brother's after he escaped and we never saw him interact with Rollo during that period; probably a good reason for that.
post #189 of 582
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Originally Posted by billybobg View Post


He took the fatal blow in battle, that's good enough. I think that slitting the wrist was a way of helping him die a bit swifter than laying in pain and a sign of respect. He didn't like him, but he respected him.

The Earl died well.

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Looks like the English will once again under estimate the raiding party. Did English kings always lounge about with their crowns on?

I sure as heck would. I'd count gold all day and eat fine meats and cheeses.
post #190 of 582
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The Earl died well.
I sure as heck would. I'd count gold all day and eat fine meats and cheeses.
Yes, the Earl died well. I was a little surprised how the show painted him in his last episode considering his actions during the build up to the duel. They shined a sympathetic light on him, he fought well, no cheap shots, then died and was honored. The aftermath was interesting. Not sure why Ragnar partially shunned the ex-wife and daughter. Didn't understand why he didn't take control of the treasury immediately...that's kind of a prime imperative when taking over I'd think. While we've seen the slave girl sacrifice on the burning ship before in other things, I thought they explained it well...Ragnarok too, with the burning hemp to give the story a kick. Ragnar got himself a nice new black leather tunic w/ a Baltimore Raven logo as well.
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Because they jumped about 50 years, it's kind of incongruous for me. History = Lindisfarne 793, story so far 794. Ragnar wasn't born yet. So they made him the first Viking to raid England. That's ok. However, not sure why they brought King Aella back as well. Ragnar's just getting started and since I've spoiled this before (I'll use tags this time) Aella was there at the end with his snake pit. I would guess he's going to be around awhile as the bad guy across the seas. I would have thought they'd use someone else as the foil and introduce him later.
post #191 of 582
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post


Well, there's a vacancy in Sweden. Maybe, Rags will grab the guys and go setup Rollo
Hmmm....I hadn't thought about that.
Although I'm sure the other kingdom itself would object, it's not a bad idea.

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Nah, Rollo's always been jealous and only followed Ragnar for his own reasons. Loyalty being far down the list.
I dunno...he didn't sell Rags out to the Earl.
That says something to me...wink.gif
post #192 of 582
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

After all, Ragnar chose not to go to his brother's after he escaped and we never saw him interact with Rollo during that period; probably a good reason for that.
Rollo's hovel is the first place the Earl would have checked, and Rags knew it.wink.gif
post #193 of 582
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Rollo's hovel is the first place the Earl would have checked, and Rags knew it.wink.gif
Yeah, I think Floki's considered somewhat of an outcast....or was. Kind of the mad genius that most folks think of as a bit touched (yuh think?). So, he's been living off the grid, no one except his buddy Ragnar anyway knows where he lives. The dude who came looking for him, couldn't find the place as I recall. The way the show's setup, Ragnar is smarter than everyone else, in his way, but recognizes talent and opportunities through others, most don't.
post #194 of 582
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

Yeah, I think Floki's considered somewhat of an outcast....or was. Kind of the mad genius that most folks think of as a bit touched (yuh think?). So, he's been living off the grid, no one except his buddy Ragnar anyway knows where he lives. The dude who came looking for him, couldn't find the place as I recall. The way the show's setup, Ragnar is smarter than everyone else, in his way, but recognizes talent and opportunities through others, most don't.
Agreed.
post #195 of 582
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

good point. just shows you that unlike most mini-series, the writers have put some thought into this.

it certainly is sucking me in.
Agreed. The characters are multi-dimensional. With the exception of the Earl's late stooge/henchman and the brother of the Swedish king most of them are hard to fully like or dislike. I've lost track of which episode we're on. I'm guessing 8 out of 10?

*EDIT* Ah, found it. The most recent was # 6.
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As well as not keeping your bowmen on the high ground where they could continue to fire during the attack.

Or keeping a soldier or two on board with a lit torch...

Or ...
I wondered about that also. I can only guess they would want to study the boat after easily vanquishing a small group of invaders and that's why they didn't torch it from the git go. Our Viks would have been hurting with their boat burned, eh?
Edited by cmac2012 - 4/8/13 at 6:17pm
post #196 of 582
I loved that Ragnar v. the Earl played out and was resolved so quickly. That's why I like shows with only 10 or 12 episodes a season. Vikings is only going to have 9, so that's even better. I was wondering where the dramatic tension would come from once the Earl and his bald henchman were killed but Rollo's conduct and that of the English (Northumbrian?) king explained it. As it stands, Rollo is by far the most complex character involved with Ragnar. He was bone loyal to Ragnar earlier and ended up paying a big price for it. Now, though, he seems to be intriguing to supplant Ragnar as Earl. This is a most interesting turn of events.

I wonder whether the reason Ragnar didn't let Siggy, the old Earl's widow, set the Earl's funeral pyre afire was that Ragnar didn't like Siggy having killed a member of the Swedish royal family. That's the sort of thing that created international tensions, even in the 8th Century.
post #197 of 582
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I wonder whether the reason Ragnar didn't let Siggy, the old Earl's widow, set the Earl's funeral pyre afire was that Ragnar didn't like Siggy having killed a member of the Swedish royal family. That's the sort of thing that created international tensions, even in the 8th Century.

As far as I could tell, they didn't give any clue as to why he did that. I hope they wrap that in, I hate holes like that.

To be fair, I watched GOT last night and apparently forgot half of it by the time it was over so maybe its senility creeping in.

Nine episodes? That's depressing. There's a lot of commercials per episode.

Killing old Kipper-breath is going to haunt them. Nobody needs the Swedes pissed off at them.
post #198 of 582
I was a bit puzzled that he would stiff her on that, especially after she was the one who indirectly sent word to him that Rollo was being tortured. Unhappiness with the killing of the old Swede could well have been it.

I wonder what other options Siggy would have had in the day to annul or otherwise end her daughter's union with the old derelict?

Small trivia bit: I wonder why Ragnor is always addressed as Ragnor Lothbrook while Rollo is just Rollo, which almost sounds like US slang anyway. I mean from the beginning, before his becoming Earl, it was "Ragnor Lothbrook" by just about everyone, his immediate family excepted.
Edited by cmac2012 - 4/8/13 at 10:37pm
post #199 of 582
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 View Post

I can only guess they would want to study the boat after easily vanquishing a small group of invaders and that's why they didn't torch it from the git go. Our Viks would have been hurting with their boat burned, eh?
Viking naval technology was worth dying over and the Saxons needed it desperately....

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I loved that Ragnar v. the Earl played out and was resolved so quickly.
Agreed, I was afraid it would be milked....wink.gif

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I wonder whether the reason Ragnar didn't let Siggy, the old Earl's widow, set the Earl's funeral pyre afire was that Ragnar didn't like Siggy having killed a member of the Swedish royal family. That's the sort of thing that created international tensions, even in the 8th Century.
I am not sure it is that complicated.
Siggy was the Earl's confident/enabler/yes man and by definition: a FOE.
post #200 of 582
Well, Siggy did try to warn Rollo that the Earl was going to take him. That should have counted for something. But in the end, I think Ragnar's problem with Siggy simply had to do with the fact that she supported the Earl during his various put-downs, humiliations, and attempted murder of Rags. She may have had a crush on Rollo, but she never seemed to care much for Ragnar. So there was a tiny bit of vengeance there. At least he let her live, which she didn't really expect.
post #201 of 582
I like the fast pace of this series (very refreshing compared to some other shows wink.gif). And are Vikings allowed to have multiple wives? Because if I were Rollo, I might have a hard time choosing between Siggy and her daughter wink.gif
post #202 of 582
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Well, Siggy did try to warn Rollo that the Earl was going to take him. That should have counted for something. But in the end, I think Ragnar's problem with Siggy simply had to do with the fact that she supported the Earl during his various put-downs, humiliations, and attempted murder of Rags. She may have had a crush on Rollo, but she never seemed to care much for Ragnar. So there was a tiny bit of vengeance there. At least he let her live, which she didn't really expect.
+1

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I might have a hard time choosing between Siggy and her daughter wink.gif
I wouldn't....wink.gif
post #203 of 582
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Well, Siggy did try to warn Rollo that the Earl was going to take him. That should have counted for something. But in the end, I think Ragnar's problem with Siggy simply had to do with the fact that she supported the Earl during his various put-downs, humiliations, and attempted murder of Rags. She may have had a crush on Rollo, but she never seemed to care much for Ragnar. So there was a tiny bit of vengeance there. At least he let her live, which she didn't really expect.

I think Siggy's trouble with Ragnar was the same as the old Earl's: Because of his success on his western voyages and his charisma, both Siggy and the Earl understood that there was no bigger threat to the Earl's reign than Ragnar.
post #204 of 582
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 View Post


Small trivia bit: I wonder why Ragnor is always addressed as Ragnor Lothbrook while Rollo is just Rollo, which almost sounds like US slang anyway. I mean from the beginning, before his becoming Earl, it was "Ragnor Lothbrook" by just about everyone, his immediate family excepted.

Last names were usually something like Bjorn Ragnarsson (son of Ragnar). Really cool Viks got nicknames. Lothbrok or Lodbrok means Hairy Breeks or Hairy Legs. Supposedly, though not shown in the show, he was famous for wearing bearskin pants treated with tar which he wore when voyaging, somewhat waterproof and fairly effective as armor.
post #205 of 582
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

Supposedly, though not shown in the show, he was famous for wearing bearskin pants treated with tar which he wore when voyaging, somewhat waterproof and fairly effective as armor.
Huh, that's interesting.cool.gif
post #206 of 582
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Huh, that's interesting.cool.gif
I'm full of tidbits wink.gif I read in one story (probably English propaganda) that he grew and trimmed one thumbnail into sort of a sharp scoop. When he interrogated prisoners to find the treasure, he'd first scoop out an eye, then threaten the other one if the prisoner didn't talk immediately. They usually talked if they knew, if not the next guy in line got the same treatment until they found someone who knew. They probably skragged the eyeless bastids shortly afterward or had a great laugh watching the blind wandering around falling into campfires. Those Vikings were real jokesters.
post #207 of 582
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

I'm full of tidbits wink.gif I read in one story (probably English propaganda) that he grew and trimmed one thumbnail into sort of a sharp scoop. When he interrogated prisoners to find the treasure, he'd first scoop out an eye, then threaten the other one if the prisoner didn't talk immediately. They usually talked if they knew, if not the next guy in line got the same treatment until they found someone who knew. They probably skragged the eyeless bastids shortly afterward or had a great laugh watching the blind wandering around falling into campfires. Those Vikings were real jokesters.


don't think i"ll have them over for my backyard bbq
post #208 of 582
What's in your wallet?
post #209 of 582
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

I'm full of tidbits wink.gif I read in one story (probably English propaganda) that he grew and trimmed one thumbnail into sort of a sharp scoop. When he interrogated prisoners to find the treasure, he'd first scoop out an eye, then threaten the other one if the prisoner didn't talk immediately. They usually talked if they knew, if not the next guy in line got the same treatment until they found someone who knew. They probably skragged the eyeless bastids shortly afterward or had a great laugh watching the blind wandering around falling into campfires. Those Vikings were real jokesters.
LOL, great stuff.

Although I think a spoon would have functioned a little better.tongue.gif
Edited by oink - 4/9/13 at 4:23pm
post #210 of 582
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

I'm full of tidbits wink.gif I read in one story (probably English propaganda) that he grew and trimmed one thumbnail into sort of a sharp scoop. When he interrogated prisoners to find the treasure, he'd first scoop out an eye, then threaten the other one if the prisoner didn't talk immediately. They usually talked if they knew, if not the next guy in line got the same treatment until they found someone who knew. They probably skragged the eyeless bastids shortly afterward or had a great laugh watching the blind wandering around falling into campfires. Those Vikings were real jokesters.

Man, that verges on TMI!smile.gif That kind of thing is Walking Dead grizzly.
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