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post #421 of 604
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

If you're trying to imply the Seer may be the Jarl's long-lost brother, I thought Horik said he killed his brother by burning him alive.

I don't remember that, but if you're right, then such brother can't be the Seer. Also, the observation about the Seer being able to actually see also weakens my theory further.
post #422 of 604
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

If you're trying to imply the Seer may be the Jarl's long-lost brother, I thought Horik said he killed his brother by burning him alive.

Jarl Borg: "I blinded him with my own hands and then I burned him alive." He didn't specify death.

Edited for typo (brain lapse) biggrin.gif
Edited by zeus33 - 5/2/13 at 12:19pm
post #423 of 604
Wasn't Horik...it was Jarl Borg telling the story. I think it's a stretch that the seer is Borg's brother, but you never know.
post #424 of 604
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

Wasn't Horik...it was Jarl Borg telling the story. I think it's a stretch that the seer is Borg's brother, but you never know.

Right.
post #425 of 604
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

Jarl Borg: "I blinded him with my own hands and then I burned him alive." He didn't specify death.

Well, because "...I burned him alive until he was dead" seems a tad redundant. wink.gif
post #426 of 604
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Well, because "...I burned him alive until he was dead" seems a tad redundant. wink.gif

Indeed! It can't be the Seer. Some other things that seem unfinished:


  • The killing of the Swede king. Will it remain unpunished?
  • The death of Earl Haraldson's sons. Who did it? Rollo? Ragnar?
  • King Horik's real intentions. Does he see Ragnar as ally or foe?
  • Why did Siggy's daughter get entangled with Athelstan in Uppsala? For naught? He survived, she died.
  • Rollo's constant flirtation with treason. And remember, now he's Christian....
  • Ragnar's eternal smirk. Will Fimmel take acting classes in the Summer?
post #427 of 604
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Originally Posted by multipath View Post

Indeed! It can't be the Seer. Some other things that seem unfinished:

[*] Ragnar's eternal smirk. Will Fimmel take acting classes in the Summer?

You know, the well-documented smirk kind of bothered me too in the pilot. But since then I've made peace with it. I think that's just his interpretation of the character and I'm fine with it now. He's Ragnar to me. I don't see any other obvious failures as a actor. That said, I would have reversed the casting of Rags and Rollo as the latter is clearly a superior actor, and more badass looking to boot.
post #428 of 604
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Originally Posted by multipath View Post

Indeed! It can't be the Seer. Some other things that seem unfinished:


  • The killing of the Swede king. Will it remain unpunished?
  • The death of Earl Haraldson's sons. Who did it? Rollo? Ragnar?
  • King Horik's real intentions. Does he see Ragnar as ally or foe?
  • Why did Siggy's daughter get entangled with Athelstan in Uppsala? For naught? He survived, she died.
  • Rollo's constant flirtation with treason. And remember, now he's Christian....
  • Ragnar's eternal smirk. Will Fimmel take acting classes in the Summer?

1. Swedish earl...cousin to the king...I assume of Sweden, but who knows. It's open ended and could be taken up again, but my gut tells me, it's a dead issue.

2. That's a pretty good mystery. I'd like to see them tie it in later, but since the Earl's gone, I kind of think they drop it.

3. Complex character...in his shoes, I'd be wary of famous up and comers. I read him as taking advantage of the relationship any way he can until it's no longer to his advantage or he perceives he'd better act now or down the road he's in trouble. Then the daggers come out.

4. Rollo, will he or won't he. At some point he will...next season maybe.

5. Smirkin Ragnar looks at the world with a sense of humor, cynicsm and an attitude that he's the smartest dude in the room. If you want it gone, then someone will have to wipe the expression off his face. Maybe Lagertha. Personally, I think it fits. You don't know if he's laughing at you, himself, needs to fart or wants to kill you. Perfect.
post #429 of 604
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Originally Posted by multipath View Post

Indeed! It can't be the Seer. Some other things that seem unfinished:


  • The killing of the Swede king. Will it remain unpunished?
  • The death of Earl Haraldson's sons. Who did it? Rollo? Ragnar?
  • King Horik's real intentions. Does he see Ragnar as ally or foe?
  • Why did Siggy's daughter get entangled with Athelstan in Uppsala? For naught? He survived, she died.
  • Rollo's constant flirtation with treason. And remember, now he's Christian....
  • Ragnar's eternal smirk. Will Fimmel take acting classes in the Summer?

  • The kid from the village that the original Earl killed and buried with his gold. That was it?
post #430 of 604
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

You know, the well-documented smirk kind of bothered me too in the pilot. But since then I've made peace with it. I think that's just his interpretation of the character and I'm fine with it now. He's Ragnar to me. I don't see any other obvious failures as a actor. That said, I would have reversed the casting of Rags and Rollo as the latter is clearly a superior actor, and more badass looking to boot.
Per an interview, Clive Standen did audition for Ragnar, didn't get it, but was offered Rollo (which he then said this was the role he wanted all the time...right). He does a great job as Rollo, especially if he see him in interviews, because he's nothing like the character. He looks and acts younger, has a light hearted Brit accent and actually seems a tad shy. That said, Rollo is kind of a 2 dimensional character, lives in the gray, badass for sure, but totally predictable...other than will he or won't he. Ragnar is much more subtle and you need a subtle actor to convey a ton of conflicting emotions and decisions without dialog...and we're surprised by some of them. Then it all makes sense after we on the board analyze it biggrin.gif. Fimmel has arresting blue eyes that never blink (an acting technique espoused by Michael Caine). This lends a ton of intensity to his facial expressions. Also, Fimmel with a full head of hair, is by far prettier than Standen...who's a very good looking guy. All in all, I think they made the right choice.

Evidently, Fimmel and Standen had quite a bit of fun with the actor who plays Athelstan. When they were shooting the scenes with the rope around his neck, Fimmel would make him walk between sets leading by the rope. When they'd take a break, one or the other of them would tie the rope to some framing on the sly. So when the break was over, Athelstan would stand up and try to walk with them until he came to end of the rope. Those Vikings were such jokesters...even the actors who play them.
Edited by Ron Temple - 5/2/13 at 3:32pm
post #431 of 604
Ultimately, I think the producers made the wise decision regarding which would play Rags.

Rags is a risk-taker, a gambler willing to go for broke.
It took a helluva lot of balls and ego to raid West, not knowing for sure the strength and response of the Saxons.
Fimmel plays this well IMO.
post #432 of 604
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

  • The kid from the village that the original Earl killed and buried with his gold. That was it?

Earl Haraldson had recurring nightmares about the way his sons died. The two kids were found dead, decapitated, with their heads facing their arses. Haraldson died without knowing who killed them and without revealing why anyone would have done such thing to the kids. Probably a revenge....

Now that you mentioned it, I vaguely remember some "digging". If my memory serves, Haraldson buried his gold plus the poor bastard who helped him dig the hole for it (as a guarantee that the location would remain secret). I can't remember who else witnessed the digging, though. Probably his chubby yes-man. Perhaps that treasure will be used by Siggy at some point to fund Rollo's invasion/foundation of Normandy. Or some other enterprise.

Damn! We'll have to wait almost a year to find out how things will unfold. This is ridiculous!
post #433 of 604
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Originally Posted by multipath View Post



Damn! We'll have to wait almost a year to find out how things will unfold. This is ridiculous!
Hey....I don't make the rules.wink.gif
post #434 of 604
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

The finale was a fine episode on its own merits, but I thought it didn't make a very good ending point for a show that won't return for nine months at the very minimum.
I thought the finale was a snore compared to the good stuff we saw earlier in the season, they should've spent more time raiding overall.
post #435 of 604
Spoiler Alert!


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History’s ‘Vikings’ Interview: Clive Standen Talks Rollo, Complex Morality and Future Characters

I think we’ve only just hit the tip of the iceberg with what Michael Hirst has in his head. Travis [Fimmel], myself and some of the actors have been lucky enough to see Michael’s “bible,” his vision over many series, and characters he would like to involve in the series. The stories you’re seeing in series one really are the tip of the iceberg, there’s such characters as “Ivar the Boneless” (historically Ragnar’s son), and later on as time goes on we get “Alfred the Great” who ends up defeating the Vikings in England. They also colonize Iceland, they go across the Atlantic, and you’ve got Leif Erickson, and we go down into Russia and France, and there’s so many stories. It may seem like we’re kind of pushing through, but it’s such a massive story to tell.

Source: Screen Crush
post #436 of 604
when do they arrive in Minnesota? wink.gif
post #437 of 604
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

when do they arrive in Minnesota? wink.gif
In 900 years....
post #438 of 604
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

In 900 years....

lol! biggrin.gif

Nice avatar. Who is that if you don't mind me asking?
post #439 of 604
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

lol! biggrin.gif

Nice avatar. Who is that if you don't mind me asking?
It's just something I found on the Net....wink.gif
post #440 of 604
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

pretty much agree with everything you've noted. Aslaug (Alyssa Something, model turned actress) looks a bit like a supermodel past her prime and Hirst has said, he's gonna keep Lags around for quite some time (partly due to Winnock's high Q factor with the female audience). That said, Rags has got to get his boys, so Aslaug will play a big part in S2.
I didn't think she was that hot at first but she grew on me. Plus, look at it from Rags POV, he wants strong warrior sons and the woman has an impressively tall frame. Let's say Rags is 6'2" (not sure), sons who are 6'5" or more would be preferred. That was tall in them days, even for Vikings.

Also, Rags is moving towards being royalty and Aslaug has royal roots. Sort of the way Hollywood royalty like to marry each other, both bring some pull to the table.
post #441 of 604
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I was disappointed in the season finale too. First Ragnar has a one night stand with the beautiful princess, then his son disapproves and Ragnar flatly turns down the Princess' invitation to make it a two night stand. Then the next day the princess tells Ragnar that he has impregnated her, or at least that's what I thought happened. It was all so preposterous that I am hoping someone will point out something I missed, which would make the situation more credible.

I was really surprised that Siggy's and Lagertha's daughters died. I thought Siggy might be a goner but felt that the girls would survive. Anyway I thought the season finale was a weak finish to what had been up until then a surprisingly good season.
I too thought the announcement of pregnancy was preposterous. Hard to imagine that they'd be any better back then than now on a seat of the pants, non medical diagnosis of pregnancy that soon.

I thought the deaths of the two daughters was a gutsy thing for a producer to do. Both were likable characters with no small amount of character development. But their deaths, and those of others drove home some of the reality of living in those days. Pandemics were real and unstoppable.
post #442 of 604
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 View Post

I too thought the announcement of pregnancy was preposterous. Hard to imagine that they'd be any better back then than now on a seat of the pants, non medical diagnosis of pregnancy that soon.

I think that was kind of the point. Nobody (including the writers) could know they were pregnant that fast, especially if the woman had never been pregnant before. But it was intended to show that this union was "blessed by the gods", that Ragnar was a transcendent historical figure among the Vikings and that the offspring of this union would be part of an historically important lineage. The series will probably focus on this as the years go on, assuming the show has durable legs.
post #443 of 604
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

I think that was kind of the point. Nobody (including the writers) could know they were pregnant that fast, especially if the woman had never been pregnant before. But it was intended to show that this union was "blessed by the gods", that Ragnar was a transcendent historical figure among the Vikings and that the offspring of this union would be part of an historically important lineage. The series will probably focus on this as the years go on, assuming the show has durable legs.
Two things...the only one that needs to believe in her pregnancy is Rags...not us....and now that he's back in her bed, it's bound to happen. Rags went to Uppsala and asked who (if not Lags) would birth his sons. Lo and behold, there's a supermodel put in his path on the way to the Holy Ash. 1 + 1 = Ivar the Boneless.

Now, I'm wondering if word of Rags' question/desire/prophecized progeny somehow got to Jarl Borg and he set the whole thing up. If so, I'd like a little backstory scene sometime soon.
post #444 of 604
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

But it was intended to show that this union was "blessed by the gods", that Ragnar was a transcendent historical figure among the Vikings and that the offspring of this union would be part of an historically important lineage.
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

Two things...the only one that needs to believe in her pregnancy is Rags...not us....and now that he's back in her bed, it's bound to happen. Rags went to Uppsala and asked who (if not Lags) would birth his sons. Lo and behold, there's a supermodel put in his path on the way to the Holy Ash.
Either way, it works dramatically.smile.gif
post #445 of 604
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

Two things...the only one that needs to believe in her pregnancy is Rags...not us....and now that he's back in her bed, it's bound to happen. Rags went to Uppsala and asked who (if not Lags) would birth his sons. Lo and behold, there's a supermodel put in his path on the way to the Holy Ash. 1 + 1 = Ivar the Boneless.

Now, I'm wondering if word of Rags' question/desire/prophecized progeny somehow got to Jarl Borg and he set the whole thing up. If so, I'd like a little backstory scene sometime soon.
Wait, are you implying that a woman might connive something like that to get the man she wants? But that is a very good point. She apparently wants him, no doubt she too yearns for a mate with a whiff of royalty. How's he going to know she's not pregnant, unless of course he goes back to Denmark w/ no further union and next sees her 7 months later w/o baby onboard?

Reminds me a tad of the reverse scenario, such as what may have happened with Natalie Portman and the French ballet dancer. 'Oopsie love, the condom broke'. IOW, how to land the wealthy, hot babe of your dreams. If she's giving the li'l buddy good lodging with a raincoat on, might be a sign that a mating ritual is afoot and 'accidents' do happen.
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The kid from the village that the original Earl killed and buried with his gold. That was it?
I was surprised that never came up again. The mother of the buy surely wondered what became of him. Wouldn't she have been lobbying for the right to see him in Kattegut (sp)? Would have been one more reason for Rags to confront him. Then again, you can only do so much in 9 x 44 minutes (or whatever the episode length sans adverts is).
Edited by cmac2012 - 5/14/13 at 11:51am
post #446 of 604
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 View Post

Wait, are you implying that a woman might connive something like that to get the man she wants? But that is a very good point. She apparently wants him, no doubt she too yearns for a mate with a whiff of royalty. How's he going to know she's not pregnant, unless of course he goes back to Denmark w/ no further union and next sees her 7 months later w/o baby onboard?

Reminds me a tad of the reverse scenario, such as what may have happened with Natalie Portman and the French ballet dancer. 'Oopsie love, the condom broke'. IOW, how to land the wealthy, hot babe of your dreams. If she's giving the li'l buddy good lodging with a raincoat on, might be a sign that a mating ritual is afoot and 'accidents' do happen.
I was surprised that never came up again. The mother of the buy surely wondered what became of him. Wouldn't she have been lobbying for the right to see him in Kattegut (sp)? Would have been one more reason for Rags to confront him. Then again, you can only do so much in 9 x 44 minutes (or whatever the episode length sans adverts is).
My impression was that this was the showrunners attempting to shed light on another piece of Viking (and Dark Age) culture. Yep, Kings that buried hoards, did kill slaves and children to guard their hoards. Their ghosts were there to scare off grave robbers...or hoard robbers. Evidence has been found in various burial mounds. Treasure was usually gone...guess it didn't work too well.
post #447 of 604
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

My impression was that this was the showrunners attempting to shed light on another piece of Viking (and Dark Age) culture. Yep, Kings that buried hoards, did kill slaves and children to guard their hoards. Their ghosts were there to scare off grave robbers...or hoard robbers. Evidence has been found in various burial mounds. Treasure was usually gone...guess it didn't work too well.
One wonders how many burials of that sort have yet to be discovered. No doubt many people with more background and proximity to the scene than I have wondered the same thing and sought extensively. You do read now and then of a new hoard being discovered. One can always dream.

Jarl Borg wouldn't really need to know that Rags had prophetic expectations of more sons to see the value of conniving to put a hot woman in his path. Her mouth is a tad wide but that scene where she tried to mount Rags only to be told no bade me to consider that I would welcome the attention of her mouth and uh, other parts. I can only imagine that people in power such as Borg and Horick weigh the advantages and disadvantages of welcoming a powerful ally into their scene. I mean most any NBA team back in the day would have been happy to have Michael Jordan come on board, except perhaps for the guy(s) he would displace.

On Rags' smirk, I suspect the historical Ragnor was a cocky sum b!tch.

But don't look now, I just discovered that season 2 of Longmire is upon us, 5/27, so I'll have some distraction for a while anyway, while waiting for the season 2 of Vikings.
post #448 of 604
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 View Post

One wonders how many burials of that sort have yet to be discovered. No doubt many people with more background and proximity to the scene than I have wondered the same thing and sought extensively. You do read now and then of a new hoard being discovered. One can always dream.

Jarl Borg wouldn't really need to know that Rags had prophetic expectations of more sons to see the value of conniving to put a hot woman in his path. Her mouth is a tad wide but that scene where she tried to mount Rags only to be told no bade me to consider that I would welcome the attention of her mouth and uh, other parts. I can only imagine that people in power such as Borg and Horick weigh the advantages and disadvantages of welcoming a powerful ally into their scene. I mean most any NBA team back in the day would have been happy to have Michael Jordan come on board, except perhaps for the guy(s) he would displace.

On Rags' smirk, I suspect the historical Ragnor was a cocky sum b!tch.

But don't look now, I just discovered that season 2 of Longmire is upon us, 5/27, so I'll have some distraction for a while anyway, while waiting for the season 2 of Vikings.
I'd imagine that grave robbers were fairly good at sniffing out hoards in burial mounds. There are sure to be some like Haraldson's that were just lost to us...until some guy with a metal detector or deep radar strikes it rich. I've got a suspicion that under my swimming pool there's some buried treasure left by some Conquistador wannabe. I only need a $50K investment from my partners (each) to find this mult-bullion $ return. PM me if you're interested.
post #449 of 604
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

I'd imagine that grave robbers were fairly good at sniffing out hoards in burial mounds. There are sure to be some like Haraldson's that were just lost to us...until some guy with a metal detector or deep radar strikes it rich. I've got a suspicion that under my swimming pool there's some buried treasure left by some Conquistador wannabe. I only need a $50K investment from my partners (each) to find this mult-bullion $ return. PM me if you're interested.
You're a little late.
I was in your neck of the woods (went to the race at Laguna Seca).

Shoulda posted this a couple of weeks back....always in the mood to throw away $$$.tongue.gif
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