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post #61 of 142
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Originally Posted by beastinsince85 View Post

NOOB question. I have a small room maybe 8x15. No windows, underground, so no external source of light. With this projector in this room, will a screen make a noticeable difference, or can I project directly onto the wall. I've also heard that you can buy a special paint for the wall. Does anyone have experience with this?

I recently posted these comment in another thread:

No painted wall can match the performance of a projection screen that is perfectly smooth with optical coatings. It is a physical impossibly to duplicate the smoothness of a good screen with paint. It is hard to get a perfectly smooth surface with any paint system and to whatever extent there is texture on your screen surface there will be a corresponding loss of image detail. Any screen you buy should have a perfectly smooth surface with no texture. Most cheap screens have a textured screen surface which is inferior. The projector and screen are a system and the PQ is only as good as the weakest link. I would recommend the Vutec Eleganté fixed frame wall screen, with matte white surface if you are looking for a good cheap screen. I would stay away from gray screens. Gray screens used with current high contrast projectors are a solution to a problem that no longer exists. With a gray screen you sacrifice your whites, image detail and although the blacks will appear blacker if you carefully scrutinize the blacks of gray screen versus a white screen you will see the details in the blacks are crushed as well. Detail, fine graduations of half-tones, subtle shifts in color, intact gray-scale, pure whites and blacks with detail are what allows the viewer to perceive a flat image as having dimensionality. Because a painted wall cannot resolve this detail your image will not achieve its full potential.
Edited by leckian - 3/13/13 at 7:44pm
post #62 of 142
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Originally Posted by beastinsince85 View Post

NOOB question. I have a small room maybe 8x15. No windows, underground, so no external source of light. With this projector in this room, will a screen make a noticeable difference, or can I project directly onto the wall. I've also heard that you can buy a special paint for the wall. Does anyone have experience with this?

The color of your walls will determine the quality of your picture. Thanks to the guys on the DIY screen section of these AVS forums, they have come up with wonderful 1 paint solutions for a projector screen or little more complex paint mixtures as well as other tricks that can give you a better looking screen. Here's the link to the section of the AVS forums for DIY( do it yourself) screen.

http://www.avsforum.com/f/110/diy-screen-section

Coming from someone who has used there advise for the past couple of years they have helped me quite a bit. Some of the guys there will go out of their way to see that you get the best possible picture you can. Many factors can come into play on the quality of your projected image. I know that by just painting my walls a dark color has added brightness and other improvements. Head over to the forums and post a message with your specs of the room and your projector and they can get you hooked up....That is as long as you don't mind possibly getting your feet wet in doing new things.
post #63 of 142
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Originally Posted by narhic_fd View Post

I was reading info for the projector at viewsonic website on the projector and one piece of info about the projector is that at only a 6 1/2 distance the projector throws out a 72 inch picture. My current projector is about 10 1/2 feet from screen and throws out about the same picture. I just wanted to make sure that in the future i buy this then the image thrown out would still be good even though the image would be about 100+ inches at that distance.

That is not a problem it can support a much larger screen. The short throw could be a problem for some...it was for me...I had to redesign my installation had to move the projector forward but it is all good because it allowed me to mount my Epson 8500UB in back of it. Gonna try to get them both in perfect alignment to I can watch them both at once.


Edited by leckian - 3/14/13 at 1:26pm
post #64 of 142
hey, you think you can get some good quality pictures of how nice the picture looks being projected from the projector in normal mode and in 3D mode??? I like to see how well the image looks.
post #65 of 142
were you able to help the wash out effect when switching to 3D??
post #66 of 142
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were you able to help the wash out effect when switching to 3D??
Yes but not with the projector controls...those are disabled...I got a LGBD670 3D blu-ray player that has few basic color and contrast brightness controls...between the 3D glasses and the color controls in the LG Player the picture is good...not as good as 2D but much improved and I am satisfied given the price of the projector. It is not an easy projector to get right in 2D mode because you have to use the CMS system to adjust the colors in HDMI mode. I will say this is not a good projector for someone who is bothered by RBE. I can notice it from time to time...it does not bother me,,,but I can see how others who are sensitive would not like it.
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post #68 of 142
I would really like to see some video or good pictures on what the image looks like in 2D mode vs 3D mode and how big of an image you can project with this projector and still have a bright enough/good contrast image.
post #69 of 142
The review is going to go very quickly, it's simple in my opinion this projector has nothing to do in a home theater. The optic is bad, the overscan is important in HDMI, colors are awfull and the lack of RGB corrections didn't help, the fan is noisy, in 3D the dlp-link white flash is too distractive..... My advice avoid this projector mad.gif




post #70 of 142
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You have CMS System to adjust the colors....I have no DLP-Link Flash with in 3D with Okeba Ultralight Active Shutter Rechargeable Glasses. It is a little bit noisy granted. It produces a sharper picture than my Epson 8500UB.


Edited by leckian - 3/22/13 at 12:22pm
post #71 of 142
there is no reason to post pictures, or make any evaluation of image quality really, until you fix the overscan issue. of course a scaled image will look awful. as for color, are you saying it can;t be calibrated even with cms? which brands of 3d glasses did you test with?

leckian posted a link to the manual earlier in the thread.. i was just reading auto sync, aspect, keystone etc could all scale the image. i'm sure you know this already, just eager to get it sorted and get a solid review of this projector.
Edited by DragonSixGolf - 3/22/13 at 12:39pm
post #72 of 142
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Originally Posted by leckian View Post

You have CMS System to adjust the colors....I have no DLP-Link Flash with in 3D with Okeba Ultralight Active Shutter Rechargeable Glasses. It is a little bit noisy granted. It produces a sharper picture than my Epson 8500UB.


CMS but without Greyscale adjustment. Overscan is always active with the HDMI connexion and that generate the soft picture beacuse you aren't able to get a perfect 1:1 mapping between the source and the projector. The only solution to solve this issue is to connect a PC in VGA.
Edited by kraine - 3/23/13 at 2:02am
post #73 of 142
And check the corners of your picture you will discover some chromatic aberrations. frown.gif
post #74 of 142
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Originally Posted by DragonSixGolf View Post

there is no reason to post pictures, or make any evaluation of image quality really, until you fix the overscan issue. of course a scaled image will look awful. as for color, are you saying it can;t be calibrated even with cms? which brands of 3d glasses did you test with?

leckian posted a link to the manual earlier in the thread.. i was just reading auto sync, aspect, keystone etc could all scale the image. i'm sure you know this already, just eager to get it sorted and get a solid review of this projector.

I have tested two sorts of DLP LINK Glasses, only one is working with the 1080P24 BR sources the 144hz compatible BenQ Glasses (ACER 120hz Glasses aren't working).
post #75 of 142
hdmi overscan would make this projector useless. that seems very unlikely. you aren't using ATI video.. the fact it defaults to overscan on discrete pixel displays is the single dumbest thing in the history of computers. i'm not exaggerating. anyway, also disappointing it required 144hz as i already have 6 of the 120s. thanks for the info i'll be waiting for more reviews but i think the acer is back in the lead.
post #76 of 142
I'm still wrting the review that will be online newt week here www.audiovideohd.fr but with the HDMI overscan on BR player I'm not able to recommand this projector.
post #77 of 142
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There are many more control features in the service menu including the ability to regulate the fan speed to reduce noise..enter main menu of projector and then simultaneous push the (source) and the (mode enter) button on the projector panel itself, and you will see 7 little boxes in the upper left hand side of screen.
post #78 of 142
Thanks for this tip I will try it tonight and see if I can do something for the overscan in HDMI.
post #79 of 142
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Originally Posted by DragonSixGolf View Post

hdmi overscan would make this projector useless. that seems very unlikely. you aren't using ATI video.. the fact it defaults to overscan on discrete pixel displays is the single dumbest thing in the history of computers. i'm not exaggerating. anyway, also disappointing it required 144hz as i already have 6 of the 120s. thanks for the info i'll be waiting for more reviews but i think the acer is back in the lead.

So, wait, does that mean that my Optoma BG-ZD101 DLP Link 3D-Glasses wont work with this projector??
post #80 of 142
If they didn't support 144hz, yes they won't work.
post #81 of 142
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This projector uses 3D DLP Link technology,update frequency of 120Hz in 3D. In my initial post I quite clearly stated this was not a home theater projector...simply stated that it had a lot of features for the money and it could serve as a starter projector. It is not unusual that someone with a limited budget will choose a business projector to get started. This is a good enough projector for people to find out if they like having a home theater with a projector. If they get bitten by the bug and as their budget increases they can upgrade. Anyone who depends on their projector for home theater fun should always have a backup because projectors are the most fragile of video displays.

Here is a review that properly categorizes it as a business projector but also states that it does a decent job for video.

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/small-business/3436399/viewsonic-pjd7820hd-review-hd-projector-good-for-business/
Edited by leckian - 3/23/13 at 9:47am
post #82 of 142
understood. but lack of 1:1 on digital input is even worse for business than video and honestly accetable for neither. leckian i really can;t tell from you screenshot but it looks like the 1080p is full frame. are you getting 1:1? and on what inputs/settings.
post #83 of 142
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understood. but lack of 1:1 on digital input is even worse for business than video and honestly accetable for neither. leckian i really can;t tell from you screenshot but it looks like the 1080p is full frame. are you getting 1:1? and on what inputs/settings.
Note sure if this answers your question:
According to this article:http://www.tlvexp.ca/2011/12/are-you-really-getting-1080p-99-of-people-are-not/
This is what the 1080P image should look like:


This is a picture of what the Viewsonic looks like which is exactly the same:


This picture taken with light streaming in from the window so it is washed out.
post #84 of 142
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This is a picture of what the Viewsonic looks like which is exactly the same:


This picture taken with light streaming in from the window so it is washed out.

No your picture is cropped, some parts on the top and the bottom are missing (look at the 5% area), the overscan is still active.
post #85 of 142
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No your picture is cropped, some parts on the top and the bottom are missing (look at the 5% area), the overscan is still active.

The top of the image is projected on the black border of screen...if you zoom in on the bottom of the screen on both images they look the same to me.
post #86 of 142
I have found a solution against the overscan in HDMI, you have to choose RGB HDMI output and not Y'CbCr. RGB no overscan at all, Y'CbCr overscan.
post #87 of 142
perfect. knew there was a solution. the manual mentions PC vs video color, but nothing about overscan. Which is fine for users AVSers willing to spend all this time sorting it out. But some bluray players lack this choice, not to mention all the issues with limited/full color range. if you can;t get 1:1 with limited..then its still broke.

most users wouldn't notice, just live with a blurry image..so i just have to wonder again, why in the digital age of discrete pixels, would any display use overscan at all. it's a useless relic of the analog age and in the few situations it is necessary, should be an option, not the default. sorry for the rant, the fact that displays default to cropped, scaled images is ridiculous.

still, thank you for taking the time to discover a solution to a problem that shouldnt even exist anymore. look forward to your opinion of sharpness now. the tiny lens is a concern.
post #88 of 142
Are the HDMI input color controls enabled on the projector if you set the HDMI color space output to RGB on the BD player ? leckian said they are greyed out for HDMI input. May be changing the color space enables them ?
post #89 of 142
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Are the HDMI input color controls enabled on the projector if you set the HDMI color space output to RGB on the BD player ? leckian said they are greyed out for HDMI input. May be changing the color space enables them ?

No luck there....simple color controls still disabled....not that they are absolutely needed.... Like to know what Kraine was sourcing with when he changed hdmi format to RGB. I tried that with HDTV source and picture turned magenta....tried it with Blu-Ray Player with the player's HDMI output set to RGB and the picture turned green. With the HDMI format set to auto the picture is fine and plenty sharp. I have had lots of other projectors including DLA-RS2, currently have an Epson 8500UB set up as well and the image sharpness of the Viewsonic is in the same ballpark.
post #90 of 142
Leckian, my source is an OPPO 93 BR player.
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