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post #121 of 154
2/21/13 at 11:03am
Honestly, the least impressive to me, compared to the others, was Driveclub - watching through Ustream's "Best" streaming, granted but I watched the others the same way (well, all could be under the minimal treshold, of course.)
It looked like just another typical bland-looking console racing game, with its rather unimpressive cockpit internals etc.
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post #122 of 154
2/21/13 at 12:38pm
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The Capcom demo was indeed played in real time and it highlighted their new Panta Rhei engine. It looked great, smooth gradients, utterly realistic lens blur. I think I should let some pictures do the talking.






Were those images from direct and interactive game play or from movie video clips so often added to games to advance the story (and always of better resolution than the actual game environment)? If the former... that's quite impressive.
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post #123 of 154
2/21/13 at 1:13pm
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This was direct, interactive gameplay. Absolutely, 100%
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Were those images from direct and interactive game play or from movie video clips so often added to games to advance the story (and always of better resolution than the actual game environment)? If the former... that's quite impressive.
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post #124 of 154
2/22/13 at 3:25am
You guys heard the PS4 won't play CD's? That's crazy. It seems Sony doesn't care about multimedia features anymore.
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post #125 of 154
2/22/13 at 12:31pm
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You guys heard the PS4 won't play CD's? That's crazy. It seems Sony doesn't care about multimedia features anymore.

That doesn't make sense, I mean every blu ray optical player plays back compact disc's. There intentionally taking CD playback out or its a new type of optical blu ray player that only playbacks BD disc's. I don't get it Sony is pushing away from optical media to fast & its not going to work well. maybe the interviewer misunderstood what the Asakura was saying
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post #126 of 154
2/22/13 at 12:37pm
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That doesn't make sense, I mean every blu ray optical player plays back compact disc's. There intentionally taking CD playback out or its a new type of optical blu ray player that only playbacks BD disc's. I don't get it Sony is pushing away from optical media to fast & its not going to work well. maybe the interviewer misunderstood what the Asakura was saying

Even if it is true, it's probably because the PS4 rips CDs instead of playing them back directly from the disc, which would make a ton of sense. Wasting the drive by spinning a CD so it can play as a bitstream is a meaningless exercise.
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post #127 of 154
2/22/13 at 1:43pm
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That doesn't make sense, I mean every blu ray optical player plays back compact disc's. There intentionally taking CD playback out or its a new type of optical blu ray player that only playbacks BD disc's. I don't get it Sony is pushing away from optical media to fast & its not going to work well. maybe the interviewer misunderstood what the Asakura was saying

I have no idea why they're doing it. It cost them pennies to add CD playback. Here's where i got it from-

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514981

Adrew House said it himself. No SACD either.
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post #128 of 154
2/22/13 at 1:49pm
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I have no idea why they're doing it. It cost them pennies to add CD playback. Here's where i got it from-

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514981

Adrew House said it himself. No SACD either.

Do you think no support for CDs will stop one single member of their target audience from buying it? Of course not. Do you really think there's someone out there who was looking forward to the PS4 because it might make a decent CD player? I don't know any, I suppose there are a few. I have to go with "Who cares", it's not the news. Apple is getting rid of optical drives and so is Microsoft. Google never dealt with them to begin with. The trend is clear. Last thing Sony needs is to look like a dinosaur, touting support for CD playback on the PS4. The tech press would tear them to shreds.
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post #129 of 154
2/22/13 at 2:01pm
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Do you think no support for CDs will stop one single member of their target audience from buying it? Of course not. Do you really think there's someone out there who was looking forward to the PS4 because it might make a decent CD player? I don't know any, I suppose there are a few. I have to go with "Who cares", it's not the news. Apple is getting rid of optical drives and so is Microsoft. Google never dealt with them to begin with. The trend is clear. Last thing Sony needs is to look like a dinosaur, touting support for CD playback on the PS4. The tech press would tear them to shreds.

It's not about touting CD playback. Every sony console had CD capability so why remove it now? It cost nothing. People still use CD's believe it or not. I sometimes play music CD's through my PS3 on my speakers. Sony consoles have always been known to do everything. And it seems they're moving away from that. I wouldn't be surprised if the PS4 doesn't play blurays.
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post #130 of 154
2/22/13 at 2:01pm
People won't know the real importance of physical media until there hard drive crash's, console gets stolen, or when they want to move there music around to play on other devices, etc. I hope this means that there will be a lot more Blu ray audio music release's. Sony does not have to tout CD playback, CD playback was a given
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post #131 of 154
2/22/13 at 2:21pm
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People won't know the real importance of physical media until there hard drive crash's, console gets stolen, or when they want to move there music around to play on other devices, etc. I hope this means that there will be a lot more Blu ray audio music release's. Sony does not have to tout CD playback, CD playback was a given

CDs are holding music back. 16/44 audio is almost as antiquated as NTSC video. Once Apple stopped putting optical drives in laptops, CD playback stopped being a given in my world. That was years ago.
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post #132 of 154
2/22/13 at 2:24pm
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CDs are holding music back. 16/44 audio is almost as antiquated as NTSC video. Once Apple stopped putting optical drives in laptops, CD playback stopped being a given in my world. That was years ago.

You sound like you're under Apple's spell. Move away from the light, man! biggrin.gif
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post #133 of 154
2/22/13 at 2:28pm
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You sound like you're under Apple's spell. Move away from the light, man! biggrin.gif

I use Ableton Live to create music - I invested almost all the money that would have gone towards other people's music in my own studio. I live in my own world of uncompressed music. Sure, I also have a large library tracks from other artists but for pure sonic satisfaction nothing beats firing up a synthesizer and a drum machine and jamming away. Visit my soundcloud.com profile, you'll see. I've created over 100 tracks, many of them will give the best systems a good workout. Much of it is free to download, too.

https://soundcloud.com/psychedelicious

My Laptop is a Sony and my media player is a PS3 plus my computer is DIY PC. My phone is an Android and my life is on Google. I watch Blu-ray 3D all the time, but you'll never catch me buying a CD. Lastly, I'm not under the spell of the fruit monger, just telling it like it is.
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post #134 of 154
2/22/13 at 2:34pm
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CDs are holding music back. 16/44 audio is almost as antiquated as NTSC video. Once Apple stopped putting optical drives in laptops, CD playback stopped being a given in my world. That was years ago.

That's why there is SACD & Blu ray audio disc's
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post #135 of 154
2/22/13 at 2:45pm
I wouldn't say CDs are holding music back...I would say the convenience factor of iTunes and other downloadable music from Amazon and such are holding music back (MP3 or AAC).
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post #136 of 154
2/22/13 at 2:47pm
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That's why there is SACD & Blu ray audio disc's

Exactly. Get rid of the CD and those formats will flourish... well at least they'll have a fighting chance against digital downloads. Allow record companies to keep running their CD presses, which were paid for long ago, and we'll be stuck in first gear forever. The worst part is that since music is mastered for CD, that's what the compressed files are based on when it gets converted to a compressed format.
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post #137 of 154
2/22/13 at 2:50pm
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Exactly. Get rid of the CD and those formats will flourish. Allow record companies to keep running their CD presses, which were paid for long ago, and we'll be stuck in first gear forever.
The question is would it flourish even if CD was gone? DVDs still outsell Blu-Rays and streaming is starting to get really big.
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post #138 of 154
2/22/13 at 2:51pm
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The question is would it flourish even if CD was gone? DVDs still outsell Blu-Rays and streaming is starting to get really big.

That's because porn and direct-to-disc garbage gets released on DVD, barrels full of DVDs litter dollar store isles. Ultimately, the average American listener has decided that music is something that belongs on their phone, not in their living room. I don't have a good answer why many people reject higher-resolution audio formats, I do know that the CD is way past its prime.
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post #139 of 154
2/22/13 at 2:59pm
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That's because porn and direct-to-disc garbage gets released on DVD, barrels full of DVDs litter dollar store isles. Ultimately, the average American listener has decided that music is something that belongs on their phone, not in their living room. I don't have a good answer why many people reject higher-resolution audio formats, I do know that the CD is way past its prime.

I doubt porn is the main reason DVD is still selling. Everytime I'm at costco I see way more people buying DVD over BD. Prices could be a factor
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post #140 of 154
2/22/13 at 3:08pm
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I doubt porn is the main reason DVD is still selling. Everytime I'm at costco I see way more people buying DVD over BD. Prices could be a factor

DVD outsells BD because of the larger installed base of players and the fact that not everyone has upgraded their TV - and those who do upgrade also stream movies because their new TV has apps built-in. DVD is the lowest common denominator. The fact is DVD sales are shrinking so at some point the format will disappear from store shelves. Probably the same day Redbox shuts down their vending machines so they can go all-digital. There are so many DVDs out there, I'm sure the used market will linger on for decades.
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post #141 of 154
2/23/13 at 1:58am
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Here's a worthwhile read from CNET. That's how I felt, glad I did not fly there from Japan.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-9020_7-57570847-222/how-microsoft-can-avoid-the-pitfalls-of-sonys-ps4-announcement/
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post #142 of 154
2/23/13 at 6:55am
Sony really dropped the ball on this one. Everyone expected to see the new PS4 consol but they got nothing. You can bet Micrsoft will be all over this and take advantage of it with a new Xbox consol. Stupid move on Sonys part.
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post #143 of 154
2/23/13 at 1:19pm
I think its really smart of Sony announcing the PS4 without showing a console & without finalized specs to see people's reactions from the event to gauge what people would want, expect from a PS4 to really deliver. They know what there doing this is there 4th time out releasing a Playstation
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post #144 of 154
2/23/13 at 1:43pm
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Just to re-iterate, Sony already said we'd have to wait for Microsoft to reveal their whole system before they do, precisely because they don't want to give the Xbox folks too much information before crunch time, E3 2013.
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I think its really smart of Sony announcing the PS4 without showing a console & without finalized specs to see people's reactions from the event to gauge what people would want, expect from a PS4 to really deliver. They know what there doing this is there 4th time out releasing a Playstation
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post #145 of 154
2/24/13 at 11:17am
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That's because porn and direct-to-disc garbage gets released on DVD, barrels full of DVDs litter dollar store isles. Ultimately, the average American listener has decided that music is something that belongs on their phone, not in their living room. I don't have a good answer why many people reject higher-resolution audio formats, I do know that the CD is way past its prime.
That's a complete myth that porn has driven sales of anything.

VHS was driven by longer record times.

DVD was driven by a compact form factor, not needing to rewind anything, non-linear scene selection and longer shelf life if you took care of it. It also started out cheaper than previous formats did when they first came out. The fact that the quality was better than VHS was a bonus. It was all about features. At this point, legacy players and price compared to Blu-ray are driving sales.

HDTV was driven by sports - more specifically, the Super Bowl. That's why so many big TVs get sold right before the big game. There's no "porn super bowl" people are gearing up for.

Porn has nothing to do with adoption of media. People watch that stuff on friggin' webcams more often than not, for cryin' out loud. It's free all over the internet for the taking.

Sure, the porn industry flurished on home video before the internet, but that's because you had to go to a public theater to see it before that. The industry chose VHS because that's the way things were...blowing...
Edited by NetworkTV - 2/24/13 at 11:23am
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post #146 of 154
2/24/13 at 11:34am
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That's a complete myth that porn has driven sales of anything.

VHS was driven by longer record times.

DVD was driven by a compact form factor, not needing to rewind anything, non-linear scene selection and longer shelf life if you took care of it. It also started out cheaper than previous formats did when they first came out. The fact that the quality was better than VHS was a bonus. It was all about features. At this point, legacy players and price compared to Blu-ray are driving sales.

HDTV was driven by sports - more specifically, the Super Bowl. That's why so many big TVs get sold right before the big game. There's no "porn super bowl" people are gearing up for.

Porn has nothing to do with adoption of media. People watch that stuff on friggin' webcams more often than not, for cryin' out loud. It's free all over the internet for the taking.

Sure, the porn industry flurished on home video before the internet, but that's because you had to go to a public theater to see it before that. The industry chose VHS because that's the way things were...blowing...

I think the point he was trying to make is that a lot of applications are using dvd instead of blu-ray where cost is more important than quality. Some of those examples may be porn and lower-budget films only being released on DVD. Other factors are that many homes still are using dvd players and have not seen the need to upgrade to blu-ray yet. I don't think he meant that the porn industry paved the way for DVD's over VHS, he meant that there are still many applications that are using DVD's where they coudn't justify the additional cost of using blu-ray.
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post #147 of 154
2/24/13 at 2:45pm
Very disappointing it wont have wirelss ac. I already have an ac router and looking forward to the wirelss streaming and speeds it will provide for hd streaming.
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post #148 of 154
2/24/13 at 2:55pm
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Very disappointing it wont have wirelss ac. I already have an ac router and looking forward to the wirelss streaming and speeds it will provide for hd streaming.

The PS4 could have the new WiFi ac, I bet it does. The PS4 won't begin production till Q3 2013
Edited by img eL - 2/24/13 at 4:15pm
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post #149 of 154
2/24/13 at 3:30pm
I'm not caught up on that new wi fi standard- if it does come with it, would it still work on my old wifi system or would I need to upgrade my router for it to work?
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2/24/13 at 4:14pm
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I'm not caught up on that new wi fi standard- if it does come with it, would it still work on my old wifi system or would I need to upgrade my router for it to work?

I'm sure the new WiFi ac products will be backwards compatible with older WiFi specs
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