Originally Posted by mark haflich
You are entitled to your opinion.
No customer who pays for a calibration in his HT does it because he wants the colors to be different than whoever in the movie production chain wanted them to lo to the ewatcher of a movie.
For a normal viewer calibrating to the mastering standard will do that. Some of the colors will have been moved by the colorist from their true location to one within rec 709. Hopefully, within a few years we will have much wider color spaces and longer bit lengths yada yada,
No my scientific calibrator friends. I want to see the colors as the movie production team intended. That was probably in their right location within the DCI space but will let it go ad say the miserable limited rec 709 space. Yea. Your color God sucks.
But a new day is coming slowly.
Now the customers should say, I want to se it as they intended me to see it. Duh. that's why the 3D customer says, calibrate through the glasses PLEASE, offset those filters in the glasses.WTF does it make that th customer has filters in his eye instead of in his 3D glasses.
Not the NORMAL assumed filters of the standardized observerer.I can't do that. i use a meter not your eyes. Imposssible Good bye.I am here to make it consistently wrong for you
, Consistent as you would see it wrong on the set assuming it was shot under d65 light, yea right, or as you would see them under d 65 light. I am Fing Holy
and I calibrate to make your display look like all other calibrated displays within your and their display limitations.There is no objectively rigght color for your eyes. Just for displays and then displayes viewed under ideal conditions.h
I've done my job and I am freekin great. Pay me. Goodbye.
Everyone thinks I will get used to the color inbalance. I never said I wasn't used to it. I have no problem seeing with it. My brain, to the extent I have one, melds the two different call them data streams coming from each eye and I see a color spectrum halfway or so between the two.
My problem here is knowing that what I see is not what was intended and how that can be fixed.
Years ago i and those at FP projector factories actually used our eyes to calibrate. WTF. No. Tell me no. No meter. What would you do. Go home?
No. We hade 6500 degree comparators. Joe Kane sold one. I once had a box with a 6500K flurescent bulb, through holes drilled on a board pannel to stimulate varies stimulus levels, 20, 80 etc, I don't rember the three exactly and then through a piece of diffuse glass or plastic. Every technician that calibrated at the factory used that box as his gray scale calibration tool, that and his eyes.
Don't tell me about calibration and solutions , idiotic solutions
, to maintain the error I see. I guess some of you are so stuck, you are meter and standard guys and that's the goal.
It may be when a display job is to exactly be the sme as another display.but you guys should not be allowed in a customer's HT. And you shouldn't be brain washing consumers.
I want the calibrator who understands his job is to make the HT produce the best picture it can for the customer. The most accurate through the eyes, not before it. Who knows when to put his meter away and make it look it better to the viewer. The calibrator who makes it the best looking despite it not meeting all standards, because of display limitations, a primary color not having enough saturation, a screen being too big, the lighting or ewalls not being ideal..You know the fecal
an expert calibrator of HTs, who has enough business to list it as his primary occupation deals with every day.
What this thread was about was the filtering in the eyes of old people, something I was unaware off. How much my eyes had yellowed and how to deal with one clear eye and one yellow now. How to make the colors i se right and not how to make them consistentl wrong. Can you grasp the concept. And we are dealing with two different filters. Finding the yellow one that matches my bad eye and putting it on the meter won't help.
i appreciate the posting but you I am afraid can't get around the system to find a workable solution. Just say its normal and there is no actual standard for what you see. BS.
The standard is the display standard unde ideal viewing conditiions and by niormal eyes. Its absolute. Its what I want. The concept is devising offsets to calibrate for the last step, not where the meter measures, before the eyes, but through the eyes. If it could be done by some sort of meter, you guys would do and shout to the customer probably making him deaf that you did it. But no. Your tools are limited, you can't do it with a meter, a chart, a ptrogram, so belittle trying to do it. I think I will call you it is what it is guys
I have raised a real world problem Calibrating for the eyes the customer has..