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post #10261 of 15135
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

You know, I just think DF is wrong on that one. The dips in ghosts clearly happen when there's too much happening on screen, not too little. I don't even know what they even mean by running more than 60fps. It's clearly v-synced, and if they were running any higher than 60 it would have to tear. They're usually on point, but I think their analysis is off on this one.

You realise that the 360, Xbox One and PS4 versions all have framerate drops in the same spot in the stonehenge map in multiplayer right ?
post #10262 of 15135
It does tear. I've seen it happen with almost every hitch.
post #10263 of 15135
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Originally Posted by BrettXNA View Post

The ps4 outputs 60fps to the display device its connected to at all times regardless of how many fps the games engine is rendering. So if the game engine (COD:Ghosts) is rendering 60+ frames per second you will see stuttering. Simply locking the frame rate to 60fps will solve this issue because this will synchronise the fps the games engine is producing with what the ps4 is sending to the display.

But it's very clearly locked to 60fps 99% of the time. If it were unlocked I'd be able to stare at a wall and watch the screen tear like crazy. I've no idea what their capture showed that led them to that crazy conclusion, hopefully they'll clarify it further in their upcoming face off.
post #10264 of 15135
so, has anyone figured out what the three settings under the sound and screen - audio output settings - audio format priority setup menu does? they are: linear PCM, bitstream Dolby and bitstream DTS. the funny thing is when I compare PCM and DTS I notice a crisper clarity on DTS mode. I notice also that linear shows 7.1 coming into my avr as DTS and Dolby show only 5.1
I'm a bit puzzled which is the optimal setting here.
post #10265 of 15135
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Originally Posted by porschedrifter View Post

so, has anyone figured out what the three settings under the sound and screen - audio output settings - audio format priority setup menu does? they are: linear PCM, bitstream Dolby and bitstream DTS. the funny thing is when I compare PCM and DTS I notice a crisper clarity on DTS mode. I notice also that linear shows 7.1 coming into my avr as DTS and Dolby show only 5.1
I'm a bit puzzled which is the optimal setting here.

The optimal setting is PCM. If you think DTS sounds better, it's prob just placebo effect because DTS has always been associated with quality and PCM is relatively unknown.
post #10266 of 15135
there's been speculation that the DTS mode converts audio to dts-hd ma in realtime, but only if you have it set to bitstream DTS.
post #10267 of 15135
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Originally Posted by porschedrifter View Post

there's been speculation that the DTS mode converts audio to dts-hd ma in realtime, but only if you have it set to bitstream DTS.

DTS-ma is just lossless compression. PCM is completely uncompressed. Both would sound exactly the same.

Either way, I just checked while playing - the DTS bitstream option is good ol fashioned lossy DTS 5.1, and dolby is DD 5.1.

Use PCM.
Edited by bd2003 - 11/26/13 at 8:56pm
post #10268 of 15135
I know for me DTS seems to have some audio boosting effect. Generally I just leave it at PCM and let the AVR do its thing. Surround sounds great when it is pumped out so thats enough for me. Curious though how it affects (if any) movies.
post #10269 of 15135
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Originally Posted by Epyon415 View Post

I know for me DTS seems to have some audio boosting effect. Generally I just leave it at PCM and let the AVR do its thing. Surround sounds great when it is pumped out so thats enough for me. Curious though how it affects (if any) movies.

Movies (blu ray at least) have a separate setting. Either it bitstreams the DTS-manor dolby TrueHD directly to your AVR, or it decodes to PCM before sending. Both should sound exactly the same.
post #10270 of 15135
Someone on Neogaf is doing battery tests on the DS4 with the LEDs disabled vs enabled. These are very bright LEDs and are consuming a lot of power. (Much more detail in the link below)

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=723148
post #10271 of 15135
PCM reduces the sound by 6 decibels. So yeah you are hearing DTS as louder -- and thinking its more clear when its just more loud.

So just turn up your AVR a notch.
post #10272 of 15135
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Ok, so BF4's patch didn't download while in standby. Seems there was also a patch for Resogun, same thing, although it was tiny in comparison.

600MB in 3 min isn't bad, but I thought this was a feature of standby mode?

I played Resogun tonight and the system didn't even mention there was a patch available (not to mention not downloading it automatically). How can I manually force it to check for an update?
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

176GBps vs 68GBps is a fairly large gap. The esram is being used as a frame buffer (because using it as a scratch pad is very complicated) and even with it's bandwith it is still much slower than what is in the PS4.

I'm glad I chose the PS4 over the Xbone. I'm not interested in all the media stuff and connect - I just want the pure gaming machine and its great to hear that the PS4 is a more powerful box hardware-wise. I guess ultimately what it comes down to is whether this results in games that look and/or play better on the PS4 compared to the Xbone. It sounds like its capable, but whether the developers will go out of there way to make the game that much better on the PS4 if possible remains to be seen. So it may not make any difference I suppose.
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Originally Posted by NoThru22 View Post

At least Plus will be 29.99 at "most major retailers" this Friday, which hopefully includes Amazon codes or even on the PS store itself.

Thanks for the heads up on this. Where did you hear about it? I've been looking at BF deal info for a while now - first I heard of it. Anyway I certainly appreciate you mentioning it.
post #10273 of 15135
Would be nice to have "instant resume" like the Xbone

So far I'm very happy with the PS4 and glad I chose it over the Xbone. I only use consoles for gaming so all the media stuff and fluff on the Xbone may be cool but not interesting to me.

That said, the ONE feature so far that I am envious over is the Xbone's instant resume, whereby you can put the console into standby and then later result exactly where you were - without worrying about waiting for saves and checkpoints.

This is especially the case because I'm not the best gamer and it can take me a long time to play through levels, and sometimes the checkpoints are far apart. As an example, Killzone has long sections you must play through (despite multiple checkpoints in the section) before a Save point is reached. This means that sometimes I have to play a lot longer than I have time for or want to at that moment, because I don't want to lose 30+ minutes of game-play, yet I'm still far from a save point. That instant resume feature would sure be nice.

Does anyone thing we may see Sony add this feature at some point to the PS4?
post #10274 of 15135
The feature was cut for launch, it should be in an update before long.
post #10275 of 15135
They already promised it, so I'd count on it.
post #10276 of 15135
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

Someone on Neogaf is doing battery tests on the DS4 with the LEDs disabled vs enabled. These are very bright LEDs and are consuming a lot of power. (Much more detail in the link below)

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=723148

Thanks for this. I like to game in the dark and the ridiculously bright light bar is a nuisance. I've used car window tinting to tone it down for now. It is cool in some cases - like in Killzone they use it to indicate your health. I actually like that visual feedback a lot. But still even in this case dropping the brightness about 80% would be preferable. As I understand it, this light bar is needed for their camera or motion thing or something like that? I don't have those accessories and would love it if they added a way to control the brightness (or at least to turn it off).
post #10277 of 15135
Most of us used electrical tape, all AV junkies keep a roll on hand for just this reason. biggrin.gif
post #10278 of 15135
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

Someone on Neogaf is doing battery tests on the DS4 with the LEDs disabled vs enabled. These are very bright LEDs and are consuming a lot of power. (Much more detail in the link below)

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=723148
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That said the LED's likely have little impact on the battery when compared to the 2 rumble motors and the capacitive touchpad.

That seems like the most relevant quote of all. I know the battery life isn't great, but the LEDs aren't the real problem. He's just letting them sit idle and that exacerbates the effect of them. In real gameplay you'd have the rumble motors constantly firing, the controller sending a lot more data over RF. Even more so if you're using voice chat, as well as the headphone amp, the speaker, etc. All said you'll prob end up squeezing just a few more minutes out of it without the LEDs.
post #10279 of 15135
Read the results, the controller with the LED disabled was still on 3 bars while the controller with them still enabled was only 1 bar. It has a noticeable effect.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?p=91383676#post91383676
post #10280 of 15135
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Originally Posted by d_m1010 View Post

I am with you 100%. I am an RPG guy first and foremost, so playing these launch titles is very different for me.

As am I. So much so in fact, that I'm not buying a PS4 until either Dragon Age: Inquisition or Final Fantasy XV comes out. Whichever drops first (most likely DA:I, unless something really weird happens)
post #10281 of 15135
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

Read the results, the controller with the LED disabled was still on 3 bars while the controller with them still enabled was only 1 bar. It has a noticeable effect.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?p=91383676#post91383676

Yeah, but how much of that was because the controller was basically doing nothing but shining the LED? Of course it's going to make a difference in that case.
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I think I can safely assume that the DS4 with LED on isn't going to last 24 hours of being on and idle whereas the DS4 with LED off will probably be scratching at 2 bars.

Sorry, a DS4 doesn't last anywhere near 24 hours when you're actually using it. More like 7-8 at best. So there's absolutely no way to account for how much that LED contributes to battery drain in actual play by just letting it sit there doing nothing. It's like saying the headlights on your car reduce your MPG by 50% because it burned so much more fuel when you let your car idle overnight.
post #10282 of 15135
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

The PS4 has 18 CUs vs 12 on the Xbox One (with at least 56% more performance for rendering games)

32ROPS vs 16 (Double the pixel fill rate)

The entire 8GB of GDDR5 can be used as a frame buffer if they choose to. (And again, it is faster by a wide margin)

There is not one area where the Xbox One has an advantage over the PS4 on the GPU or memory side. This is fact. They share the same basic architecture from AMD, this is an Apples to bigger Apples comparison.

CPU can be debated but we do not know the PS4's clock speed or how many cores are available for games. No point debating the unknown just yet.

The issue with Ghost's framerate was because it was running over 60fps at times and IW didn't cap it properly resulting in tearing and judder. It drops frames no more often than any other console version.

I don't think anyone is arguing that the PS4 is definitely more powerful then the Xbox One. I still feel stating the PS4 is 50% more powerful is misleading as it is not that across the board. Certain areas, yes, but the entire system, no. It can't be the entire system since some of the components are the same.
post #10283 of 15135
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Yeah, but how much of that was because the controller was basically doing nothing but shining the LED? Of course it's going to make a difference in that case.
Sorry, a DS4 doesn't last anywhere near 24 hours when you're actually using it. More like 7-8 at best. So there's absolutely no way to account for how much that LED contributes to battery drain in actual play by just letting it sit there doing nothing. It's like saying the headlights on your car reduce your MPG by 50% because it burned so much more fuel when you let your car idle overnight.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Yeah, but how much of that was because the controller was basically doing nothing but shining the LED? Of course it's going to make a difference in that case.
Sorry, a DS4 doesn't last anywhere near 24 hours when you're actually using it. More like 7-8 at best. So there's absolutely no way to account for how much that LED contributes to battery drain in actual play by just letting it sit there doing nothing. It's like saying the headlights on your car reduce your MPG by 50% because it burned so much more fuel when you let your car idle overnight.
I bought a second controller so that while I'm using one I have the other charging. I am looking forward to a patch, if they release one, to tone down or turn off the led.
post #10284 of 15135
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

I don't think anyone is arguing that the PS4 is definitely more powerful then the Xbox One. I still feel stating the PS4 is 50% more powerful is misleading as it is not that across the board. Certain areas, yes, but the entire system, no. It can't be the entire system since some of the components are the same.


OK, it is 100% the better gaming machine!
post #10285 of 15135
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Thanks for the heads up on this. Where did you hear about it? I've been looking at BF deal info for a while now - first I heard of it. Anyway I certainly appreciate you mentioning it.
It's been known to be 29.99 at Gamestop for a while now from their ad but the Playstation Blog has listed a lot of Black Friday specials, but for PS + special, they are only saying it will be 29.99 at "most major retailers."
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/11/22/black-friday-deals-for-ps3-ps-vita-and-ps-plus/
post #10286 of 15135
Where can I pre-order the official PS4 Dual Shock 4 Controller Charging Station from?

Does anyone know where I can order this item from:


I came across it here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=91461832&postcount=187

Will this be sold in the US? When I google for it I only come across it on the Amazon UK website. It seems odd that Amazon in the US does not have it listed, at least as a pre-order or out of stock item.

I had previously placed an order for the POWER A Dual Shock but cancelled it once I saw the picture of this item in the UK, because it has a much smaller footprint than the POWER A one, at least from the picture.

What do you guys think?
post #10287 of 15135
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Originally Posted by ultracat View Post

Unfortunately for me, you are correct.



http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/cell_phone_comparison_study_nov_10.pdf

I normally hate that sort of behavior myself but like Newfmp3 I also work in IT support so I thought my 13 years of experience dealing daily with iPhones, Blackberries, Android device and even years ago Palm device, I thought I had a good 'sample' of data based on my experience. Nope!

Edit: hmmm or maybe not? I don't know. The funny thing about people like you who demand proof behind personal observations, especially when that proof is only really contained inside corporate data not a lot of regular consumers have access to, is where do you get the info from? My original way (and NewMP3's) is basically the equivalent of going to a garage and asking the old-timer mechanic there "hey, so what brand cars do you see the most here in the garage, and which do you almost never see except for tune-ups?" A lot of people would say that 's a perfectly smart way to shop for a new car brand, versus quoting industry data provided by the manufacturers themselves.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2010/jul/16/apple-time-capsule-failure-calculated

Anyway, at a minimum you get a 1/2 concede from me. : )

It's all good.

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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Where can I pre-order the official PS4 Dual Shock 4 Controller Charging Station from?

Does anyone know where I can order this item from:


I came across it here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=91461832&postcount=187

Will this be sold in the US? When I google for it I only come across it on the Amazon UK website. It seems odd that Amazon in the US does not have it listed, at least as a pre-order or out of stock item.

I had previously placed an order for the POWER A Dual Shock but cancelled it once I saw the picture of this item in the UK, because it has a much smaller footprint than the POWER A one, at least from the picture.

What do you guys think?

I ordered the Nyko one from Amazon though there's still no shipping date for it...

Question - if I buy a couple years of PS+ on Black Friday and give them as a Christmas present, will the clock start when I buy them, or on Christmas when I give them and they are presumably then activated somehow? Sorry never had + before so am not sure how this functions.
post #10288 of 15135
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Originally Posted by anthonymoody View Post

It's all good.
I ordered the Nyko one from Amazon though there's still no shipping date for it...

Question - if I buy a couple years of PS+ on Black Friday and give them as a Christmas present, will the clock start when I buy them, or on Christmas when I give them and they are presumably then activated somehow? Sorry never had + before so am not sure how this functions.

The sub begins when you activate them, and they stack on each other. Even the 30 day free trial that came with the ps4 stacks too. I'm good till mid 2014 from cards I bought years ago. Thinking I might pick up another two years on Friday and not have to worry about it for years.
post #10289 of 15135
I turned my PS4 on last night and it started downloaded a COD Ghosts patch, 700mB. Version 1.07 (the last was 1.06) so it was a new updated patch. Took about 15 minutes or so to download but that prevented me from playing during that time frame. My PS4 was in standby.

I wonder if it's handling updates like it did on PS3 without the ability to set the time-range.

I'm not sure when the COD patch became active, but if our standby PS4s are set to go retrieve updates instead of them being pushed at for example 6AM and a game update goes live at 8AM, then our standby systems might not see it till 6AM the following morning.
post #10290 of 15135
My PS4 was on standby and when I logged in yesterday I got a Notification that Resogun had been installed -- which I am assuming was a patch as I already HAD Resogun installed.-- so that's working for me at least.
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