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Originally Posted by zBuff View Post

You can also look at it in the reverse aspect, that if you're strict a offline player then you aren't subsidising those people that are playing online. And there are alot of people in that boat.

I'm not particular happy with it myself, but it does not deter me from a sale. I'm a sporadic online gamer nowadays.

It would be nice if they had regular game online for free days, more promotionals for discounted playstation plus, or even a purchase a smaller amount of time for online gaming such as 1 -3 days, it would be just like paying to play at the arcades (thinking like $1-$2)

Bring in mandatory LAN multiplayer again would appease me, let's face it console gaming have very few games with dedicated servers. Console exclusive gamers just don't seem to know how to tell the difference, here's a clue is there is host advantage in a game, there is no dedicated server.

I'm just wondering if Playstation Plus ever does backfire for them? I could imagine someone whom isn't particular picky what they play, the free games would be enough for them never to have to buy a retail game at all.

I'm finding enough value in PS+ to continue with it, but I do worry it will have a negative impact on new players trying MP, since you have to commit to at least a 3 month membership (currently) just to dip your foot in the water. I'd like to see some games come with a 24-hour pass or something so people can at least try out online multiplayer. I know lots of people that aren't into it. They could try it for free on PS3, but they just don't even try. Afraid to get their butts kicked or something (I get my butt kicked, I'm just not afraid to try because of it).

Still it would be nice for people who have never gamed online. I find it much more engaging than single-player shooters, playing against actual intelligence, instead of artificial intelligence. Even people that suck (which is sometimes me) are usually more interesting to fight and have better strategies than AI. Every once in a while I'll get tired of the never-ending repetitiveness of it, same maps, etc. and yearn for a good single-player adventure or RPG. They're all good experiences, but definitely different. Just hoping that paywall doesn't reduce the online community. It didn't for Live though, so perhaps no worries...
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

The more I think about it, the more I think I will probably cancel both my preorders and just wait 6-8 months to see how everything works out. I want to make sure that I don't buy into a possible DOA console (XB1), and I really want to see if Sony makes good on their promises about their network. I am still pretty skeptical of anything that Sony promises, because we have been burnt by them before. For now, I will keep the preorders, just in case, but I think it would be wise of me to wait a bit to jump on one.

There's a good chance of missing out on quite a bit of free games on PS+ with that strategy though. I'm thinking of going with just the system and one launch game, and just depending on the monthly freebies from plus for a while for my variety. Go a little old school and get some actual replay value out of the launch title I select, instead of ending up with a whole bunch of unplayed backlog games sitting around, y'know? Between something like BF4 or Destiny and the Drive Club freebie on +, I could be satisfied for quite a while. I'd probably scoop up a PS4 version of Zen Pinball, or Pinball arcade if it came through too...
post #2193 of 15269
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

Glad to hear that my TE Fight stick has a good chance to work on the PS4.
It would be nice to have G27 support to go along with DriveClub, but I doubt it, as the DS4 can be used as a steering wheel (which would require the new Eye to use, correct?)...
post #2194 of 15269
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Originally Posted by SmokenAshes View Post

Interesting read

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/06/12/playstation-plus-will-make-gamers-want-to-get-a-ps4-as-soon-as-possible/

At the moment, PS+ is fantastic and most people love it, but detractors of the service repeatedly point out that many of the games are old, and that they already own them. That won’t happen with the PS4 – it’s a clean slate. As the console doesn’t support backwards compatibility (at least not until 2014 through cloud), Sony won’t be able to fill PS+ with old PS3 games, like the Vita PS+ is filled with old PSP games. Instead, Sony is forced to give you new content.

First off is DriveClub PS+ Edition – yes, it’s stripped down, but it’s still a major game that is one of the PS4′s crucial AAA line-up exclusives, and it’s coming to PS+ subscribers for free. Then, after that, there will be new games every month for ‘free’. That means that the sooner you buy a PlayStation 4, the more free content you get – PS+ rarely revisits old free games, so if you miss the month, you miss it. In the time you might wait for a $50 price cut, you could lose out on hundreds of dollars of content over Plus. If Sony can effectively communicate this message to consumers, it would certainly entice them to take the plunge early and not miss out on all the great deals. Existing subscribers should be able add the games to their download list with PC, but the process isn’t known to most, and will simply create a giant list of games they’ll want to play. It’s also not known if Sony will definitely allow you to add the games to your download list without first connecting a PS4, as the PS4 aims to be far more integrated with PC and mobile than the PS3.

So this won't work like it currently does for Vita (where you can get Vita PS+ games from the store without having a Vita yet)? I'd pay an extra buck or maybe two per month if the PS4 titles are available for pre-ordering and stashing away for later.
post #2195 of 15269
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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

All of my A/V stuff is on the other side of the wall, but luckily I can fit a 10ft hdmi for the PS4, if I want easier access to it or I want to play with the camera (eye toy). I will probably keep it where all the other stuff is. I am long ways from upgrading to 4K and it will be out of my budget for a while.
You probably saw on Amazon that the next release is Dec 31. I also wonder if the PS4 serial numbers are assigned to each launch pre-order?

The Dec. 31 is just a placeholder because the release date hasn't been announced yet. The Launch unit orders also said Dec. 31st. I expect all the dates will be updated once the release date is announced. Like if it's mid-November, launch units on that day. Standard units ordered now, maybe a week later, or as soon as they get them in, based on time of order placed. If you're unsure, I would pre-order just in case to save your space in line basically. You can always cancel it. There's a really good chance of getting it before early-mid December if you're ordering now.
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Some new info: not all games with online play will require PS+. For instance, Sony's free to play games DC universe Online and Planetside 2 will both be accessible to fully play even if you don't have the service. Publishers can make that decision for their free games themselves it seems.
post #2198 of 15269
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/194150/Further_clarification_on_Sonys_DRM_policies_No_more_online_pass.php
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Gamasutra was able to speak to Scott Rohde, software product development head for Sony Worldwide Studios America to gain further clarity on the matter:

We've already come right out and said we're not going to allow online pass. And the word "allow" is key there. Specifically with online, with PS+ requiring a charge to play online, we would not want any publisher [to charge.]

In general, we're all businesses. Sony or Microsoft is never going to be able to tell EA or Activision exactly what they can do. What we like to say at PlayStation is that we set the precedent. The way we are approaching this is that we want this to be extremely consumer-friendly, extremely retailer-friendly, and extremely publisher-friendly. My personal opinion is that it's hard for me to believe that any major publisher is going to put an extra set of used DRM onto game titles because that wouldn't put them in a good spot, right?
post #2199 of 15269
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Originally Posted by Mounta1n View Post

There's a good chance of missing out on quite a bit of free games on PS+ with that strategy though. I'm thinking of going with just the system and one launch game, and just depending on the monthly freebies from plus for a while for my variety. Go a little old school and get some actual replay value out of the launch title I select, instead of ending up with a whole bunch of unplayed backlog games sitting around, y'know? Between something like BF4 or Destiny and the Drive Club freebie on +, I could be satisfied for quite a while. I'd probably scoop up a PS4 version of Zen Pinball, or Pinball arcade if it came through too...
That may be true, but I just want to make sure their network will be as good as they say. The one good thing is I am a primary Xbox gamer, as are all my friends. At this point, 3 of my friends are leaning towards a ps4, while the others aren't sure. The good news is none of them plan on jumping in on either console day one, so I could always jump in to the ps4 and play it and just pick up a couple more titles for the 360 to play with them if I want to. Plus, I can try to persuade the others to the ps4 if I get it and like it.
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I have a question for your guys, and I know that most people in here are bias. I hear a lot of Xbox guys claiming that with the set up of the XB1, that it will be future proof and will end up making it the better system in the long run. I understand they have the cloud and all that jazz, but I guess I just don't see how it could make it so that one day the ps4 is an inferior product to the xbox. Anyone have a take on this? And not just "Xbox sucks and they are idiots", some actual input on the subject.
post #2201 of 15269
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Originally Posted by LocoBandito View Post

It would be nice to have G27 support to go along with DriveClub, but I doubt it, as the DS4 can be used as a steering wheel (which would require the new Eye to use, correct?)...

USB devices should work.
post #2202 of 15269
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

I have a question for your guys, and I know that most people in here are bias. I hear a lot of Xbox guys claiming that with the set up of the XB1, that it will be future proof and will end up making it the better system in the long run. I understand they have the cloud and all that jazz, but I guess I just don't see how it could make it so that one day the ps4 is an inferior product to the xbox. Anyone have a take on this? And not just "Xbox sucks and they are idiots", some actual input on the subject.

The core components of the PS4 are better than the Xbone. Better memory and faster processor. I would imagine that web capabilities will remain upgrade able for both. In the end, they should both be fine for their 8-10 year lifespan. I would not purchase based on future capabilities. The industry has a long history on not delivering on way too many promises.
post #2203 of 15269
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Originally Posted by Crash44 View Post

I read that official release PDF which has the spec charts of the console and the accessories. There's an AUX connector on the PS4, which is the old PlayStation connector for the composite cables. The camera is using that AUX connector, since the system is coming with HDMI in box apparently.

Yep, confirmed here:
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Connection Type PS4™ dedicated connector (AUX connector)

Really a bummer, they must have had a surplus of AUX connectors laying around wink.gif

No idea how I'll be able to run this thing 35 feet, at least day one ...... either way since the connector is proprietary I'll probably have to drop a bundle on extension straight from Sony.
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What exactly makes the XB1 more future proof then the PS4? Can't be the DRM restrictions and it can't be the TV stuff (I don't think my DirecTV box will ever quit working because it isn't attached to an XB1). I know it is not Kinect, no matter what a few posters over there believe, a future where we control everything by gestures and voice is still a long, long way off (much longer then the life of the XB1).

Honestly, if people are expecting this magical cloud computing to allow MS to essentially upgrade the XB1 in the future, making it a new "next gen" machine in five years, I think they will be sorely disappointed.
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

What exactly makes the XB1 more future proof then the PS4? Can't be the DRM restrictions and it can't be the TV stuff (I don't think my DirecTV box will ever quit working because it isn't attached to an XB1). I know it is not Kinect, no matter what a few posters over there believe, a future where we control everything by gestures and voice is still a long, long way off (much longer then the life of the XB1).

Honestly, if people are expecting this magical cloud computing to allow MS to essentially upgrade the XB1 in the future, making it a new "next gen" machine in five years, I think they will be sorely disappointed.
This is what I thought. I didn't see how the cloud would be able to make up for the short comings of the console. Now, I am sure that it will take 5-6 years before we see developers run into any issues with the hardware being a restriction to what they want to do in the game, but I doubted that MS would eventually have the upper hand just because of the cloud. Thanks rolltide and thumper.
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

What exactly makes the XB1 more future proof then the PS4?

I genuinely believe people are mistaking "future features" with "future proof".

A lot of what Microsoft is doing with their DRM, Digital Only, etc ...... are going to be standard features everywhere come 10 years plus, in no way does those features make them future proof, only future ready ..... but that is software, not hardware

Much like Blu-ray when the PS3 launched, with it's innards (I'm looking you GDDR5 and replaceable hard drive), it's reasonable to belive the PS4 is a tad more "future proof".
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I'm surprised how there is little to no talk about how DRM and always online puts a target on the XBone's back from a hacking standpoint.

Consoles get jailbroken/hacked, it's an inevitability. And with their architecture blurring the lines between PC/Console I believe it'll be that much easier for "those who do such things" to make it happen.

So when "those who do such things" get their hands on a XBone and a PS4, chances are that the XBone, with it's DRM and always online, will be their core focus, therefore making it the first to fall ..... which will probably be when I jump on board.
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Originally Posted by futurecode View Post

I'm surprised how there is little to no talk about how DRM and always online puts a target on the XBone's back from a hacking standpoint.

Consoles get jailbroken/hacked, it's an inevitability. And with their architecture blurring the lines between PC/Console I believe it'll be that much easier for "those who do such things" to make it happen.

So when "those who do such things" get their hands on a XBone and a PS4, chances are that the XBone, with it's DRM and always online, will be their core focus, therefore making it the first to fall ..... which will probably be when I jump on board.
Not just that, but I have a feeling that they will be attacked as badly as Sony was back a few years ago. This is drawing a lot of negative attention, so I am sure one of the hacking communities would love to go after them and take down their network, basically bricking the systems just to prove a point.
post #2209 of 15269
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Originally Posted by futurecode View Post

Yep, confirmed here:
Really a bummer, they must have had a surplus of AUX connectors laying around wink.gif

No idea how I'll be able to run this thing 35 feet, at least day one ...... either way since the connector is proprietary I'll probably have to drop a bundle on extension straight from Sony.

Hey, look on the bright side... Atleast you'll still be able to play with it not connected while you figure something out!

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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

Not just that, but I have a feeling that they will be attacked as badly as Sony was back a few years ago. This is drawing a lot of negative attention, so I am sure one of the hacking communities would love to go after them and take down their network, basically bricking the systems just to prove a point.

Exactly. I'm sure they are chomping at the bit to take down the MS authentication servers and cause widespread havoc. No matter how secure a company thinks their servers are, they can always be broken into by those who really wish to do so. With how the X1 is designed with regards to forced authentication of each console, it's not just the MS servers that could be under attack. The "nefarious folks" out there could decide to hack a major ISP and simply block all access to the MS servers. The only people this would affect would be those who own the X1. John and Jane Doe who don't own an X1 may never notice that something is wrong. But if those "nefarious folk" decide to block off any access to those servers, anybody using that ISP would find their X1 100% useless for gaming. MS would do NOTHING about this since it wouldn't be their servers being "hacked". A widespread, dedicated, attack on a major metropolitan area such as NYC, Boston, Los Angeles, London, etc. could keep a large number of X1 owners from using their consoles, and potentially create huge losses for MS. (And huge gains for Sony as a result).
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Hey, look on the bright side... Atleast you'll still be able to play with it not connected while you figure something out!

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HA, very true!

I pre-ordered the my PS4 minutes after they went available on Amazon, but didn't put a camera in the cart because that will be "wait and see" peripheral for me. I have the PSeye and move, and while i enjoy it, I rarely use it, so I anticipate much the same with the PS4 Camera ......... choice, hhhhmmmmm, who would've thunk it mattered! wink.gif
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With everything I continue to read and hear, I am just going to jump on my PS4 pre-order and stick with that for now. My 360 won't go anywhere, so I can always use it to game with the people I met through XBL, and with the other thread we have going I am starting to fill up my friends list a little.
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

Not just that, but I have a feeling that they will be attacked as badly as Sony was back a few years ago. This is drawing a lot of negative attention, so I am sure one of the hacking communities would love to go after them and take down their network, basically bricking the systems just to prove a point.

I say bring the network down at 12am est launch day and keep the attacks constant for the entire week so that not one person can connect during launch week, really show Microsoft how stupid they were to force it down our throats.
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

I have a question for your guys, and I know that most people in here are bias. I hear a lot of Xbox guys claiming that with the set up of the XB1, that it will be future proof and will end up making it the better system in the long run. I understand they have the cloud and all that jazz, but I guess I just don't see how it could make it so that one day the ps4 is an inferior product to the xbox. Anyone have a take on this? And not just "Xbox sucks and they are idiots", some actual input on the subject.
The future proof comments seem laughable because of the whole DRM situation. It seems to me your games will only last as long as MS supports Xbox One. Once the servers are down you'll be locked out of your games permanently, even any disc-based games you own.
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

I say bring the network down at 12am est launch day and keep the attacks constant for the entire week so that not one person can connect during launch week, really show Microsoft how stupid they were to force it down our throats.
That, or they could always wait until right at christmas. That would cause a huge fuss. I don't wish any harm on gamers, even if they choose a system I don't agree with, but it would just continue to humble MS. For me, that's all I hope for. I don't want MS to kill off their console in the future, I just want them humbled. It seems to have worked out nicely for Sony.
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Every feature the One has for game swapping, the PS4 can match or beat (except for that family share, that would work great for people cross country, but that defeats the point of all that DRM) both systems can be 100% digital with swapping without ever changing discs.

Xbox fans are defending a system they don't own worse than Wii U fans were during the last year of constant trolling, the only problem is that the trolls are 100% correct in their complaints and it is hard to run damage control.
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

That, or they could always wait until right at christmas. That would cause a huge fuss. I don't wish any harm on gamers, even if they choose a system I don't agree with, but it would just continue to humble MS. For me, that's all I hope for. I don't want MS to kill off their console in the future, I just want them humbled. It seems to have worked out nicely for Sony.

That would be round two. A week after launch to get the games actually playable ruins MS' image among gamers and causes a media ****storm. They blame it on unprecedented demand for the system, same thing happens again at Christmas. Hackers claim responsibilty but MS would always deny it, as they always have.
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I wonder if Sony will allow you to pay a fee and change your psn id. I would like to change mine, but I don't want to lose my trophies.
Edited by americangunner - 6/12/13 at 2:41pm
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I just went and looked and noticed that I only have the standard edition, not the launch edition which sucks. I ordered it as soon as the show was over. I won't be near a gamestop until Saturday, and I am guessing that their pre-orders wlll be long gone by then. Oh well, I guess I will just have to play my ps3 and wait.
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

I just went and looked and noticed that I only have the standard edition, not the launch edition which sucks. I ordered it as soon as the show was over. I won't be near a gamestop until Saturday, and I am guessing that their pre-orders wlll be long gone by then. Oh well, I guess I will just have to play my ps3 and wait.

Standard Edition page has an order confirmation at the top?
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