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post #3601 of 15157
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

I'm totally against the "lower quality" idea to speed up the pre-load process, makes the games feel Very "cheap" to me, once we fire up a game we should experience it the way it was meant to be. I doubt Sony would allow such thing and I personally hope they won't.

Yeah, I definitely think it should be optional. I wouldnt want to play a single player game like that. But say I long ran out of HDD space, had to delete COD: Ghosts, but I get a random message from an old friend who wants to play right now. I'm far from concerned about the graphics at that point, I just want it up and running ASAP.

Ideally they'd have some sort of progress bar that tells you exactly whats going on. So saying we're talking about an MP game, it starts pure red and it says unplayable. Then it turns to orange and says "limited map selection, low quality" - but at least its playable at this point, and it continues to DL map by map at low quality. Then it turns yellow and says "Some maps low quality"....eventually it turns full green when full detail is available for all maps.

I think that would suit everyone as long as its clear what you're getting. Maybe they could put another option to prioritize quality vs. getting you up and running sooner.
post #3602 of 15157
Thread Starter 
They do the "lower quality" thing with PlayStation Home currently. As assets for all of the customized players are being dloaded onto your PS3 when you enter a new area, you see ghosts of their characters until the dloading is done.

But I agree that I don't want to see that in my games. I'd rather wait to appreciate the full detail that goes into making the visuals.
post #3603 of 15157
And some devs might be uncomfortable with their games being seen like that. It all comes down to how fast your Internet is I guess. I can pull down a GB in 3 mins, but it could take a very long time just to get started on a much slower connection. I just hope their external drive solution is robust enough that I can toss in a 256GB SSD with a 1-2TB USB 3 drive and still never need to worry about ever seeing a download or transfer screen.
post #3604 of 15157
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post


we already have enough Glitches out of the box from Bethesda with full betas lol
Fixed.
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Thread Starter 
Huge indeed.
post #3607 of 15157
Was about to say that sucked for our supplies but read the article and saw their made in made in Shanghai stipulation. The Chinese are going to be like a horde of strung out crack fiends seeing the mother of all crack piles, especially with next gen eye candy.

I'd be curious to see how many games are insta-banned. I'd bet all Bioshocks are out, maybe Spec Ops the line, and assume BF4 with Chinese aggressors goes. Stuff like Final Fantasy should fly through easily. I'd be equally curious to see the black market prices for banned games.
post #3608 of 15157
You think they are going to be blown away by eye candy graphics that are several steps behind PC gaming at all times? This is China...where most of this stuff is made in the first place!

I won't derail this tread with another one of my anti-NSA rants, but now that gaming consoles are known US spying devices...I'm really curious why China at this stage made this move. Access to hack the network maybe? I could see them letting the japanese consoles in....but Microsoft? Might as well allow a NSA field station to open up in Shanghai.
post #3609 of 15157
Like you said, most of this stuff is made there. If china itself opens up its market of over a billion people....that's a hell of a lot consoles they can make. Everyone wins. No need for a conspiracy.
post #3610 of 15157
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Like you said, most of this stuff is made there. If china itself opens up its market of over a billion people....that's a hell of a lot consoles they can make. Everyone wins. No need for a conspiracy.

whoa, i am red flagging this post. This type of common sense posting is not welcome here or anywhere else on the internet. Please edit your post to include one of the following "illuminati is behind something, govt is screwing with us some way, Obama has a secret plan" or similar. You are on thin ice, couple more common sense posts like this and i will be sure you are banned!
post #3611 of 15157
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Originally Posted by ultracat View Post

You think they are going to be blown away by eye candy graphics that are several steps behind PC gaming at all times? This is China...where most of this stuff is made in the first place!

I won't derail this tread with another one of my anti-NSA rants, but now that gaming consoles are known US spying devices...I'm really curious why China at this stage made this move. Access to hack the network maybe? I could see them letting the japanese consoles in....but Microsoft? Might as well allow a NSA field station to open up in Shanghai.

Yea but made in isn't the same as sold in. How many workers crank out iPhones and can't afford one or ever see one work? Same with consoles and PCs. What I was getting at is the overripe market waiting to be tapped. With a cultural ban for years on fun, that country will explode tech sales if this passes. Like BD said, good for all.
post #3612 of 15157
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Originally Posted by lordxar5 View Post

Yea but made in isn't the same as sold in. How many workers crank out iPhones and can't afford one or ever see one work? Same with consoles and PCs. What I was getting at is the overripe market waiting to be tapped. With a cultural ban for years on fun, that country will explode tech sales if this passes. Like BD said, good for all.

Not to mention that with so many western devs outsourcing work to china, I wouldn't be surprised to see homegrown Chinese devs start to pop up. Who knows maybe the next next generation, china puts out the dominant console.
post #3613 of 15157
smile.gif one of China's top gaming developers already releasing a Next Gen Game. link http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/10/world/asia/10china.html?_r=0 cool.gif
post #3614 of 15157
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Originally Posted by lordxar5 View Post

Yea but made in isn't the same as sold in. How many workers crank out iPhones and can't afford one or ever see one work? Same with consoles and PCs. What I was getting at is the overripe market waiting to be tapped. With a cultural ban for years on fun, that country will explode tech sales if this passes. Like BD said, good for all.

China and India are two of the faster growing middle class nations. We heard a lot of the huge wage disparities, but like everything they do it all big. There’s a lot of potential sales growth in these emerging markets.
post #3615 of 15157
A remote accessible camera & Mic in every Chinese home... Yea I can see them unbanning it for that... smile.gif
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What is internet access like in China? Does everyone have access to broadband?
post #3617 of 15157
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Originally Posted by Notsobright View Post

smile.gif one of China's top gaming developers already releasing a Next Gen Game. link http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/10/world/asia/10china.html?_r=0 cool.gif

????
post #3618 of 15157
Evolution Talks DriveClub, Says PS4 “Packs a Huge Amount of Graphical Grunt”, DualShock 4 Sixaxis “Significantly More Accurate"

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/07/10/evolution-talks-driveclub-says-ps4-packs-a-huge-amount-of-graphical-grunt-dualshock-4-sixaxis-significantly-more-accurate/
post #3619 of 15157
David Cage to reveal new PS4 Dark Sorcerer footage at GC

http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/dark_sorcerer/news/david_cage_to_reveal_new_ps4_dark_sorcerer_footage_at_gdc.html

As well as wrapping up development on Beyond: Two Souls, Quantic Dream is also developing an unannounced PS4 title.
post #3620 of 15157
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Originally Posted by SmokenAshes View Post

David Cage to reveal new PS4 Dark Sorcerer footage at GC

http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/dark_sorcerer/news/david_cage_to_reveal_new_ps4_dark_sorcerer_footage_at_gdc.html

As well as wrapping up development on Beyond: Two Souls, Quantic Dream is also developing an unannounced PS4 title.

No reason to have "more footage" if this is just a tech demo. Sorcerer or whatever they end up calling it is the PS4 game, or at least a part of it imo.
post #3621 of 15157
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Originally Posted by Crash44 View Post

No reason to have "more footage" if this is just a tech demo. Sorcerer or whatever they end up calling it is the PS4 game, or at least a part of it imo.

Heavy Rain started off as a tech demo with a casting session, no reason that this can't also become a full game in some shape or form.
post #3622 of 15157
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

Heavy Rain started off as a tech demo with a casting session, no reason that this can't also become a full game in some shape or form.

Maybe blend their sorceror game with the agnes tech demo they did about a year ago.
post #3623 of 15157
Their last demo was Kara, which was an android being built then taken apart.

Are you thinking of Agni? That was Square Enix.
post #3624 of 15157
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

I don't understand how this will work, specially considering how strict Sony has been with PSN activations on different consoles. We need more details before people get their hopes up and get pissed later, that's Microsoft's specialty.


I've been thinking, with both of these new consoles, going completely digital, but only if I can find another gamer who will share their stuff with me (and I with them). I know that it will probably violate both Sony and MS's TOS, but I think if it's just two people who are doing it, they can probably get away with it just fine.

My justification for doing it, is that the digital prices should be half what they are, and the only reason they aren't is because of the delicate relationship Sony and MS have with brick and mortar. So for example, if I find a PS4 buddy that wants to get Killzone SF. If he wants to play it anytime with his gamertag, then he pays half and I pay half. I use his account info to "buy" the game on my PS4, so , in theory, anybody using my PS4 could play Killzone SF, as long as they are using my physical PS4. He would be able to play Killzone SF on his PS4 when logged into his PSN name, and he'd also be able to play Killzone SF on anybodies PS4, as long as he's signed in with his PSN name.

At least, this is the way that it would work with the Xbox 360 and supposedly the Xbox 1.

I'd normally NEVER buy anything digitally, from a console standpoint, because I like to re-sell things on Craigslist, but if I can get the games at half price, then I'd actually consider having a digital version. I also don't mind it being stuck to a single console, and not my gamertag (instead it would locked to somebody elses gamertag)


I'm not sure if this plan will work, but I'm thinking about trying it.
post #3625 of 15157
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Originally Posted by Anthony1 View Post

I've been thinking, with both of these new consoles, going completely digital, but only if I can find another gamer who will share their stuff with me (and I with them). I know that it will probably violate both Sony and MS's TOS, but I think if it's just two people who are doing it, they can probably get away with it just fine.

My justification for doing it, is that the digital prices should be half what they are, and the only reason they aren't is because of the delicate relationship Sony and MS have with brick and mortar. So for example, if I find a PS4 buddy that wants to get Killzone SF. If he wants to play it anytime with his gamertag, then he pays half and I pay half. I use his account info to "buy" the game on my PS4, so , in theory, anybody using my PS4 could play Killzone SF, as long as they are using my physical PS4. He would be able to play Killzone SF on his PS4 when logged into his PSN name, and he'd also be able to play Killzone SF on anybodies PS4, as long as he's signed in with his PSN name.

At least, this is the way that it would work with the Xbox 360 and supposedly the Xbox 1.

I'd normally NEVER buy anything digitally, from a console standpoint, because I like to re-sell things on Craigslist, but if I can get the games at half price, then I'd actually consider having a digital version. I also don't mind it being stuck to a single console, and not my gamertag (instead it would locked to somebody elses gamertag)


I'm not sure if this plan will work, but I'm thinking about trying it.

not sure how this is ethical at all.. this is just like people who rob rich people and say, "well the way i justify it is there is no way they should have that much money and they won't miss a little bit"..
post #3626 of 15157
What I'm waiting to see is if I have 3 or 4 users setup on my PS4 , can I play a game remotely from my library under my user while someone on my home console plays a different game under another user.


This way if I end up getting two pS4's later I can install all the games on one console but be able to share them across both. Then I may get some digital copies. If not then I will stick with the discs...
post #3627 of 15157
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Originally Posted by Anthony1 View Post

I've been thinking, with both of these new consoles, going completely digital, but only if I can find another gamer who will share their stuff with me (and I with them). I know that it will probably violate both Sony and MS's TOS, but I think if it's just two people who are doing it, they can probably get away with it just fine.

My justification for doing it, is that the digital prices should be half what they are, and the only reason they aren't is because of the delicate relationship Sony and MS have with brick and mortar. So for example, if I find a PS4 buddy that wants to get Killzone SF. If he wants to play it anytime with his gamertag, then he pays half and I pay half. I use his account info to "buy" the game on my PS4, so , in theory, anybody using my PS4 could play Killzone SF, as long as they are using my physical PS4. He would be able to play Killzone SF on his PS4 when logged into his PSN name, and he'd also be able to play Killzone SF on anybodies PS4, as long as he's signed in with his PSN name.

At least, this is the way that it would work with the Xbox 360 and supposedly the Xbox 1.

I'd normally NEVER buy anything digitally, from a console standpoint, because I like to re-sell things on Craigslist, but if I can get the games at half price, then I'd actually consider having a digital version. I also don't mind it being stuck to a single console, and not my gamertag (instead it would locked to somebody elses gamertag)


I'm not sure if this plan will work, but I'm thinking about trying it.

Hopefully I'm misunderstanding what you are saying, but I agree with the above post. This doesn't sound ethical on any level. One reason games are so expensive now is people either abusing or circumventing the policies. The rest of us that play by the rules (both written and implied) suffer and foot the bill.
post #3628 of 15157
For those interested in FFXIV on PS4, the PS3 beta 3 is winding down and will soon enter open beta (all beta 3 characters will be purged)

Open beta characters will transfer to the final game (not sure if there is a time limit) so this is a great chance to demo the game before release. I have been playing off and on since the beta launched on PS3 and it has improved drastically in just a few weeks, going from a stuttery mess to a fairly stable build. The core gameplay is standard MMO and plays a lot like FF12. It can be played as a single player game if you want (how I am playing it) but random players will often help out if they can. (Had a rather powerful miniboss show up and almost kill me until a few nearby mages buffed and healed me)

So far the beta has me interested in picki g up the PS4 version next spring, which is saying a lot considering I don't care for MMOs.
post #3629 of 15157
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Originally Posted by Anthony1 View Post

I've been thinking, with both of these new consoles, going completely digital, but only if I can find another gamer who will share their stuff with me (and I with them). I know that it will probably violate both Sony and MS's TOS, but I think if it's just two people who are doing it, they can probably get away with it just fine.

My justification for doing it, is that the digital prices should be half what they are, and the only reason they aren't is because of the delicate relationship Sony and MS have with brick and mortar. So for example, if I find a PS4 buddy that wants to get Killzone SF. If he wants to play it anytime with his gamertag, then he pays half and I pay half. I use his account info to "buy" the game on my PS4, so , in theory, anybody using my PS4 could play Killzone SF, as long as they are using my physical PS4. He would be able to play Killzone SF on his PS4 when logged into his PSN name, and he'd also be able to play Killzone SF on anybodies PS4, as long as he's signed in with his PSN name.

At least, this is the way that it would work with the Xbox 360 and supposedly the Xbox 1.

I'd normally NEVER buy anything digitally, from a console standpoint, because I like to re-sell things on Craigslist, but if I can get the games at half price, then I'd actually consider having a digital version. I also don't mind it being stuck to a single console, and not my gamertag (instead it would locked to somebody elses gamertag)


I'm not sure if this plan will work, but I'm thinking about trying it.

I talked about this before and if I understood what you meant it's already possible on the PS3, I brought up the topic here a while back:
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

Now let's talk about PSN DLC sharing (Full games, PSN games, add-ons..etc) to make this more relevant, this is kind of a taboo subject with lots of controversies around it, some say it's perfectly legal while others consider it as flat out piracy. We all know Sony used to allow you to activate your PSN account along with all of its purchased DLCs on 5 different PS3s, here's a quote (a very old one I might add) from Jack Tretton himself kind of using the game sharing option as a feature to advertise the PS3:

"If a player logs into his PlayStation 3 account on a friend's system, he can download any game he has already purchased. "You can send that content to four other friends for that initial investment," said Tretton. "We want to get the game in as many hands as possible."
"It's not about generating profits at each and every interaction with the consumer," he said. "I think that really offsets the argument that says, 'Wow, that's a really pricey system.'"
http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/news/2006/10/71982

Then I'm not exactly sure what happened (publishers were upset about the system being exploited or something?) so Sony changed the PSN activated from 5 PS3s to :

2 PS3s
2 Handhelds (PSP/Vita are in the same category, i.e it's NOT 2 Vitas and 2 separate PSPs)

I'm pretty sure any PSN DLC prior to this policy change is still allowed to be used on 5 PS3s.

We'll have to see if PS4 limit will be added as 2 additional or it'll be within the same "Home console" category as the PS3 , which will suck for some people who already have 2 PS3s and will be forced deactivate one. My guess is 2 PS4s will be added to the limit but only one isn't out of the question at all though, maybe 2 PS3s, 2 handhelds, 1 PS4 will be their policy to avoid pissing off multiple PS3 owners.

Anyway, I'd like to hear your thoughts about this PSN sharing thing, specially now that Xbone has something going on about it though very differently (will not go into details), is it OK in your book specially with the limit change, is it a form of piracy or is it illegal by Sony and will cause you to get banned (which would be ridiculous considering Tretton's quote)?

I personally am very much against piracy and always thought the game sharing thing was kinda "iffy?" lol but wouldn't consider it the same as piracy, hearing Jack Tretton saying such thing really surprised me (I only read that quote not too long ago) and honestly made me consider doing the sharing thing more, I also e-mailed Sony themselves quite a while ago asking if such thing was allowed and they gave me a very vague answer which was basically telling me that I shouldn't give my account info to other people, like I didn't already know that LOL

I wouldn't share my account details with ANY person on the internet, however I do trust my real life best friends enough to share my account with them so losing the account is not an issue in my case, I'd only consider sharing games that aren't worth the full price IMO (mentioned some of those earlier in this thread) or when I see publishers engaging greed mode with expensive DLCs. I must have games that I truly enjoy and think they're worth it in physical form so I definitely pay full price for 'em and even buy additional nerdy collectors crap lol.

Again would like to hear more thoughts about this and any clarifications would be nice.
post #3630 of 15157
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Originally Posted by J_P_A View Post

Hopefully I'm misunderstanding what you are saying, but I agree with the above post. This doesn't sound ethical on any level. One reason games are so expensive now is people either abusing or circumventing the policies. The rest of us that play by the rules (both written and implied) suffer and foot the bill.

There's a little bit of gray area here, because while it's against TOS to give out your ID and password, it isn't against TOS to sign in on another PS3, download a game, and use it on all accounts on that PS3. The account owner can always disable that second console too at any time.

I do agree digital should be cheaper, but I don't agree that retail is the reason. The walled garden and publishers are the real reason. I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to increase prices if retail was cut out.
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