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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-watch-dogs-on-ps4-tech-analysis

This part really caught my attention.

That is one of the reasons I'm very excited about PC gaming when the new consoles are out, at the moment PC games on max settings often use the sheer power of high end GPUs to make them run smoothly instead of actually optimizing the games as much as possible.

I said it before, PC + PS4 is such a winning formula, if Microsoft wants me to buy their console, they better offer amazing exclusives that aren't available on PC too.
post #3692 of 15278
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That is one of the reasons I'm very excited about PC gaming when the new consoles are out, at the moment PC games on max settings often use the sheer power of high end GPUs to make them run smoothly instead of actually optimizing the games as much as possible
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This is actually the main reason why I like consoles vs PC - it won't be long before you have to start sacrificing settings on your PC to accommodate the latest and greatest game to make it run at a decent frame rate, whereas console developers optimize the game and work within the limitations of the system to make it run smoothly. I hated forking out a substantial chunk of change for a PC, only to find out that in a year I would have to either upgrade or tone down the settings. Always made me feel like I wasn't seeing the game the way it was intended. That said, a current high end computer will trounce the PS4 and X1. If you've got the money, go with PC, I guess.
post #3693 of 15278
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This is actually the main reason why I like consoles vs PC - it won't be long before you have to start sacrificing settings on your PC to accommodate the latest and greatest game to make it run at a decent frame rate, whereas console developers optimize the game and work within the limitations of the system to make it run smoothly. I hated forking out a substantial chunk of change for a PC, only to find out that in a year I would have to either upgrade or tone down the settings. Always made me feel like I wasn't seeing the game the way it was intended. That said, a current high end computer will trounce the PS4 and X1. If you've got the money, go with PC, I guess.

It's not that bad at the moment, a High end GPU can you run very strong for a few years easily, but the reason I said I was excited is because both new consoles use x86 architecture and in general are very similar to PCs, so developing games for PCs should be a lot more optimized compared to how it is now.
post #3694 of 15278
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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post

There's no way that they'd release collections of upgraded PS3 ports for those price points. A standalone digitally downloaded version of a single upgraded game perhaps.

But something like a retail Mass Effect Trilogy would surely start out at $40 minimum.

Yeah, that's what I mean. But at the end of the day, they're still last gen games (unlike ME)....they're not going to be worth that much money. I believe all of the recent remake collections started at $30, with each individual title $10-15. And they'll drop, just like any other game.
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

It's not that bad at the moment, a High end GPU can you run very strong for a few years easily, but the reason I said I was excited is because both new consoles use x86 architecture and in general are very similar to PCs, so developing games for PCs should be a lot more optimized compared to how it is now.

Devs will be building for top PC specs and scaling down to the consoles. FFXV isn't even considering consoles yet, which means severe cuts could be required even for the PS4 version. This will be big for PC gamers and pretty much guarentees that the Wii U will be left behind once the 360 and PS3 support dries up. It also guarentees that devs won't build for the lowest specs, they will just cut back until it runs well.
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The Mass Effect trilogy since they appeared on the PS3 and Xbox 360 will be last generation games where the PS4 and Xbox One are concerned.

As for the current generation HD collections of PS2 era content, things like the Ratchet & Clank Collection were typically launched at $40. You can already find them discounted new for $10-$15 dollars though (particularly if you watch out for sales). I own many of them and I've averaged about $15 each.

But they could easily do what they're doing with Metal Gear and add more content if they further upgrade something like the Ratchet & Clank Collection for the PS4. Some series like that one have last generation entries not originally included on the original PS3 collection. And some like Ratchet & Clank have of course PS3 entries that could be included. A few new games would easily justify something like a new Ratchet & Clank Collection on the PS4 for $40 for the fans.

And of course they wouldn't have any trouble selling things like a Uncharted or Mass Effect collection for $40 on the PS4 even if there were no upgrades or they were just minor ones.

But I can't imagine being as impressed with a collection of already beautiful HD games like Uncharted as I was seeing Ico & Shadow of the Colossus being allowed to shine with smooth frame rates, widescreen support, and native HD graphics instead of being ruined by upscaling like the PS2 originals typically were for most HDTV owners.

So at least for me, part of the allure for upgraded last gen games will disappear when it's PS3 games being ported to the PS4 since they already look beautiful on a HDTV and my PS3 isn't going anywhere.
Edited by Leo_Ames - 7/14/13 at 7:26pm
post #3697 of 15278
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It's not that bad at the moment, a High end GPU can you run very strong for a few years easily, but the reason I said I was excited is because both new consoles use x86 architecture and in general are very similar to PCs, so developing games for PCs should be a lot more optimized compared to how it is now.

It's been a while since I've had a high end PC, but GW2 seems to run ok on what I have, so maybe you're right.
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So at least for me, part of the allure for upgraded last gen games will disappear when it's PS3 games being ported to the PS4 since they already look beautiful on a HDTV and my PS3 isn't going anywhere.

I think the jump in graphics this next gen isn't going to be as dramatic as it was for the last gen. I just finished the Last of Us and it was amazing in every way, including great graphics. I too am keeping my PS3 - I have the shiny fat version that I added a 500 gig HD to and, to me, it is the nicest looking console that has ever come out (and I like it more than the next gen ones as well). It is just so refined - it's like comparing a Porsche to an econobox.
post #3698 of 15278
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Originally Posted by blastermaster View Post

. I too am keeping my PS3 - I have the shiny fat version that I added a 500 gig HD to and, to me, it is the nicest looking console that has ever come out (and I like it more than the next gen ones as well). It is just so refined - it's like comparing a Porsche to an econobox.
+1!
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I think the jump in graphics this next gen isn't going to be as dramatic as it was for the last gen. I just finished the Last of Us and it was amazing in every way, including great graphics. I too am keeping my PS3 - I have the shiny fat version that I added a 500 gig HD to and, to me, it is the nicest looking console that has ever come out (and I like it more than the next gen ones as well). It is just so refined - it's like comparing a Porsche to an econobox.

I keep reading this and I have no clue what you people are talking about. I look at Watch Dogs, Killzone, and The Division and the jump in graphics is amazing. It's easily as big as the jump from PS2 to PS3.

Yeah, TLoU looks great. But if you pay attention, there is low res stuff all over the place in that game. Still, for being on PS3, it's absolutely stunning and I have no complaints. That lighting engine is just ....wow.
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Here's a video comparing several genres from PS1 though PS4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQgogxMgcpA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Originally Posted by lordxar5 View Post

Here's a video comparing several genres from PS1 though PS4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQgogxMgcpA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Looks pretty impressive to me!
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I keep reading this and I have no clue what you people are talking about. I look at Watch Dogs, Killzone, and The Division and the jump in graphics is amazing. It's easily as big as the jump from PS2 to PS3.

Yeah, TLoU looks great. But if you pay attention, there is low res stuff all over the place in that game. Still, for being on PS3, it's absolutely stunning and I have no complaints. That lighting engine is just ....wow.

Hmm, let's see:

640x480 = 307200 pixels (ps2)

1280x720 = 921600 pixels (ps3)

1920x1080 - 2073600 pixels (ps4)

The jump in pixels from ps2 to ps3 is ~3x, the jump from ps3 to ps4 is ~2x. Now, if you have a smallish tv set, you may not even notice the difference...much. For me it will be a much bigger jump as I have a projection setup.

Also, I think it's much more noticeable going from blocky wheels where you can actually see the polygons to round ones in a racing game, for example, than to have better lighting.

I think the jump to PS4 is going to be big, I just don't think it will be as big as the one from PS2-PS3 and even less so than the jump from PS1-PS2. I think it's also partly that way because games at the end of the consoles cycle look as good as they're gonna get, while the ones from the new console probably have lots of room for improvement.
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It really is going to depend upon the developer. taking a 5mp picture vs a 15mp picture is going to look identical unless you can take advantage of that higher resolution. Do remember that these consoles are capable of 4k so there will be much mroe improvement in the next few years above 1920x1080
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Originally Posted by blastermaster View Post

Hmm, let's see:

640x480 = 307200 pixels (ps2)

1280x720 = 921600 pixels (ps3)

1920x1080 - 2073600 pixels (ps4)

The jump in pixels from ps2 to ps3 is ~3x, the jump from ps3 to ps4 is ~2x. Now, if you have a smallish tv set, you may not even notice the difference...much. For me it will be a much bigger jump as I have a projection setup.

Also, I think it's much more noticeable going from blocky wheels where you can actually see the polygons to round ones in a racing game, for example, than to have better lighting.

I think the jump to PS4 is going to be big, I just don't think it will be as big as the one from PS2-PS3 and even less so than the jump from PS1-PS2. I think it's also partly that way because games at the end of the consoles cycle look as good as they're gonna get, while the ones from the new console probably have lots of room for improvement.
There's more to an advancment in game visuals than the resolution. By your logic, since most people don't have a set big enough to appreciate resolutions beyond 1080P, a PlayStation 5 game seven years from now will look no different than a PS4 game even if it were rendered in 4K.

  • Texture quality will improve for the PS4, which means much less muddy textures and more detail and clarity than ever before.

  • Lighting will get a huge boost, especially an increase in dynamic lighting that is customized depending on the action in the scene over the pre-baked lighting solutions that the PS3 uses.

  • Larger RAM storage means a LOT more animation can be used. Sports and 3D fighting games in particular will look much closer to real life while in motion as a result.

  • Raise your hand if you are happy to see jaggies diminish (or almost completely disappear). The PS4 will allow for smoother edges in its graphics.

  • Particles and other special effects can be more elaborate and diverse due to next gen tech.

  • And last but not least, depending on the amount of extras listed above the developers will have the ability to improve frame rates in general. Of course a standard of 60fps is a pipe dream since some games will throw all kinds of engine-chugging tech inside of it to make it look special (not to mention some developers are lazy/less-talented). Still we should see more 60 framers on the PS4 than last gen.

Edited by joeblow - 7/15/13 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by samendolaro View Post

It really is going to depend upon the developer. taking a 5mp picture vs a 15mp picture is going to look identical unless you can take advantage of that higher resolution. Do remember that these consoles are capable of 4k so there will be much mroe improvement in the next few years above 1920x1080

The picture reference is a good analogy. I was thinking that its not so much quality as its the amount of detail. There are quality improvements but all the extra details are where next gen shines. I've watched too man next gen trailers to remember which, may be BF4, but they were talking about wind affecting trees, grass, and waves all at the same time. Also a few devs announced a lot more on screen, BF4 is 64 player, think I saw Killzone say something similar. Watch Dogs devs said there will be a lot more going on with PS4 than PS3 is capable of.
post #3707 of 15278
Yeah, and with each successive jump in resolution offering diminishing returns...1080p is like the least important thing about the next gen.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Yeah, and with each successive jump in resolution offering diminishing returns...1080p is like the least important thing about the next gen.

It's a nice to have.

I'm more excited about the power of the PS4 being able to make better games with more interactive environments and better physics.
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

Their last demo was Kara, which was an android being built then taken apart.

Are you thinking of Agni? That was Square Enix.

You're right Kara, thinking of the right demo, wrong name.
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I don't think resolution will be the standard-bearer of better graphics, it's going to be textures and effects. I mean, look at the PC Skyrim out of the box, compared to the mods that people have created. It's night and day. I'm excited and am on the bandwagon, I can't wait. That said, like the rest of you, my PS3 will still proudly next to my new system and get plenty of play, I'm sure.
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It's been a while since I've had a high end PC, but GW2 seems to run ok on what I have, so maybe you're right.
I think the jump in graphics this next gen isn't going to be as dramatic as it was for the last gen. I just finished the Last of Us and it was amazing in every way, including great graphics. I too am keeping my PS3 - I have the shiny fat version that I added a 500 gig HD to and, to me, it is the nicest looking console that has ever come out (and I like it more than the next gen ones as well). It is just so refined - it's like comparing a Porsche to an econobox.
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somewhat off topic, but the game i played most last gen (believe it or not) was socom confrontation.. what are the chances of another socom coming out PS4 (i hated socom 4) or is the franchise dead?

edit: just saw h hour.. hopefully it fills the void
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Originally Posted by blastermaster View Post

Hmm, let's see:

640x480 = 307200 pixels (ps2).

Most PS2 games ran in the ~240-320i range. Towards the end they finally started hitting 480i, and a very few even made it to 480P (for sets that supported it).
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Originally Posted by lordxar5 View Post

The picture reference is a good analogy. I was thinking that its not so much quality as its the amount of detail. There are quality improvements but all the extra details are where next gen shines. I've watched too man next gen trailers to remember which, may be BF4, but they were talking about wind affecting trees, grass, and waves all at the same time. Also a few devs announced a lot more on screen, BF4 is 64 player, think I saw Killzone say something similar. Watch Dogs devs said there will be a lot more going on with PS4 than PS3 is capable of.

Yeah to me its the little details that separate this coming gen from the previous one. Resolution is one thing but that gif going around for The Division that shows glass being shot at and cracking and breaking like real life, that sort of stuff. Seeing the lighting in Forza 5, the depth of field and rain plus lighting or the subtle facial animations in Watch Dogs, stuff like that. I could play all next gen games at 720p if it means we get more of those little details. Resolution only plays part of it.
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We have to see how those rumored GPU boost for the Xbone goes though.
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

We have to see how those rumored GPU boost for the Xbone goes though.

I find it funny how it went from a yeild issue that could force a downclock to a possible clock increase. I need to see if cboat on neogaf has chimed in on the clock increase...
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

I find it funny how it went from a yeild issue that could force a downclock to a possible clock increase. I need to see if cboat on neogaf has chimed in on the clock increase...

Well what does that tell you? I'd believe neither until something says otherwise. Everything we hear is all over the place. One source says it's a decrease. Another says it's in increase. MS is going to have to come clean soon since we're close to August and this thing needs to be in production in a few months.

I wanna see just how cool the PS4 runs compared to the PS3.
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http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Warframe-Support-Cross-Platform-Play-Between-PS4-PC-57513.html
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The team has also added in options for PS4 gamers to make use of either controllers or a keyboard and mouse, so all is fair in love and console wars.

Keyboard and mouse... oh yea..... that ,means there will be a bunch more cross platform games




http://www.gamekicker.com/gaming-news/fresh-indie-developer-no-goblin-working-on-secret-ps4-pc-title
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I am curious how all of the bad press will affect the X1's sales. I have a feeling this thing is going to sell like crazy though, in spite of what internet forums would have you believe. I just don't think the average consumer follows this stuff close enough that it's going to matter. I expect the X1 to outsell the PS4 this holiday season. Not by a lot, but by a slim margin.
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Originally Posted by blklightning View Post

I am curious how all of the bad press will affect the X1's sales. I have a feeling this thing is going to sell like crazy though, in spite of what internet forums would have you believe. I just don't think the average consumer follows this stuff close enough that it's going to matter. I expect the X1 to outsell the PS4 this holiday season. Not by a lot, but by a slim margin.

All things equal, I might agree, but I think that price difference will make people stop and think about it. $100 is not a trivial amount of money to most people.
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