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post #3871 of 15438
Project Cars is still the big racing game I am looking forward to. Everytime I see it I am even more impressed than the last.

The Crew looks interesting if they can get that massive open world working without slowdown or pop in, but I have my doubts even on a high end PC. (Unless they make it smaller than the trailer let on...)
post #3872 of 15438
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Originally Posted by Notsobright View Post

so if you live in a van down by the river, getting up and switching discs should be a problem. you might lose a pound or two. lazy people these days.

And the same was said about people using remote controls for TVs. It's just progress. Otherwise if a person is lazy for not wanting to stick discs in, then they are equally lazy for using remote controls for other devices.
post #3873 of 15438
Switching discs is not a big deal for me. While not having to do it would be convenient, I don't think I like the tradeoffs that may be required to make it happen (e.g. persistent connection).
post #3874 of 15438
Same here. It's a gimmick IMO.

Hell, I sort of like putting a new disc in and the anticipation of it spinning up for the first time. It's like driving a stick shift or something, and fires those pleasure areas in my brain.

What I HATE is waiting for a game install or patch update, especially on a newly bought game. If Sony was smart, they'll let us preload games were haven't bought, and download patches the same. Keep it encrypted or locked until the game is purchased, but allow us to get that data on the HDD so it's smooth sailing once you buy the digital license or put the game in for the first time.
post #3875 of 15438
That's a good idea.

While game installs are slow, I prefer that over having to wait for the game to load periodically throughout the game. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out.
post #3876 of 15438
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Same here. It's a gimmick IMO.

Hell, I sort of like putting a new disc in and the anticipation of it spinning up for the first time. It's like driving a stick shift or something, and fires those pleasure areas in my brain.

What I HATE is waiting for a game install or patch update, especially on a newly bought game. If Sony was smart, they'll let us preload games were haven't bought, and download patches the same. Keep it encrypted or locked until the game is purchased, but allow us to get that data on the HDD so it's smooth sailing once you buy the digital license or put the game in for the first time.

I doubt they will, because that would just incentivize you to buy the disc. They could have done it with the PS3 too, but didn't. Preloading will be an advantage that stays with the digital version.
post #3877 of 15438
The Crew looks like a NFS knockoff, and so does Drive Club for that matter. Both will probably be well done for that style of game, yet the hook is what they do with all the online features. I'll be the first one to tell you that an arcade racer is not my favorite thing. But, if I can shoot the breeze with my best friend (that lives 2,500 miles away) while I play, then it borders on a masterpiece. Sending him a clip of him losing while I'm winning will make the trash talk so sweet.

Online and social improvements like these are why we're going to see a bunch of re-hashes of time worn game styles at the start of this gen. The Crew and Drive Club are NFS clones with some very in-depth social and multiplayer features. There's "All MMO All The Time" coming this gen, because they can finally do the social stuff properly on console. Destiny, The Division and the next Skyrim are going to be MMO style games that are common on PC but relatively new on console.

Then there's Watchdogs, which is just another stylish action game but OMG look at the size of the world and the detail and is that another person in my game!? Demon's Souls did something similar, putting a little MMO into a single player game. Social gaming is the future, and the Watchdogs style of online play seems to be the way the consoles are going to give it to the masses. Be prepared for more "old is new again" as social/multiplayer functions are added to everything.
post #3878 of 15438
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I doubt they will, because that would just incentivize you to buy the disc. They could have done it with the PS3 too, but didn't. Preloading will be an advantage that stays with the digital version.

Yeah, I don't doubt that. Still, it be a nice perk to plus to add now that the patching and auto-updates seem to be pushed to outside the plus system. It also be another perk over the competition.

Digital can always compete on price and price alone in tandem with a much smarter marketing campaign. One look at the Steam summer sale going on right now points to how far MSONY still has to go. I mean they're selling you stuff and taking your money, but making it feel like a party for gamers; and it works.
post #3879 of 15438
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Yeah, I don't doubt that. Still, it be a nice perk to plus to add now that the patching and auto-updates seem to be pushed to outside the plus system. It also be another perk over the competition.

Digital can always compete on price and price alone in tandem with a much smarter marketing campaign. One look at the Steam summer sale going on right now points to how far MSONY still has to go. I mean they're selling you stuff and taking your money, but making it feel like a party for gamers; and it works.

Yeah, but not even steam does what you're suggesting. At best you might be able to pick up where you left off on a demo, like PSN/XBLA games. They're not going to casually transfer 25GB+ to you unless you're actually buying something.
post #3880 of 15438
I just want PSN preorders to install early and be playable when they go live. Having to wait 2 hours to play a game you paid for a week ago sucks.
post #3881 of 15438
I don't mind getting up and change discs at all, however I do use steam as well so I'm definitely not against the convenience a digital library offers.

With that said, does that mean I'm willing to make Huge compromises like screwing the used game market and requiring an always online connection for that convenience? HELL NO. At the moment what the next gen consoles offer is PERFECT, you want all digital then go for day 1 DD games, if not then get the retail disc like what I and millions of people around the world prefer. You can't complain about ISP caps when it comes to digital downloads, after all you can't have Everything that YOU want, options are good.
post #3882 of 15438
So I downloaded the Dark Sorcerer tech demo on PS3 and was watching it in the home theater and paused it when he got splashed in the face with water. Just look at the details.

That water is still flying in the air when I paused it. Look how the water distorts his face in real time.
post #3883 of 15438
I downloaded the 1080p version on the PSN, Youtube and the 720p E3 video do not do it justice at all. Easily the most impressive tech demo at E3.
post #3884 of 15438
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Originally Posted by SmokenAshes View Post

So I downloaded the Dark Sorcerer tech demo on PS3 and was watching it in the home theater and paused it when he got splashed in the face with water. Just look at the details.

That water is still flying in the air when I paused it. Look how the water distorts his face in real time.
And QD said that's half of what the PS4 is capable of *mind explodes*
post #3885 of 15438
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

And QD said that's half of what the PS4 is capable of *mind explodes*

And it was built using PS3 tools, and was not optimized at all. Comparing the Casting demo to Beyond, their PS4 games are going to look amazing, no question about it.

I also can't wait to see what Naughty Dog can manage with the PS4.
post #3886 of 15438
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I also can't wait to see what Naughty Dog can manage with the PS4.

Number one reason I'm getting a PS4.
post #3887 of 15438
Yeah the majority of exclusives that I like fall on Sony and they get some of the Japanese games to boot. Not going with Sony never came up. I'm just waiting until next year before I get one. I'm enjoying being back into PC gaming at the moment and that should cover me until this time next year. I still have a backlog on PS3 also. Ni No kuni for one.
post #3888 of 15438
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

I downloaded the 1080p version on the PSN, Youtube and the 720p E3 video do not do it justice at all. Easily the most impressive tech demo at E3.
Yeah I got the 1080p version off of the PSN.
post #3889 of 15438
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Originally Posted by SmokenAshes View Post

Yeah I got the 1080p version off of the PSN.

Where do you find it? I did a search in the playstation store but nothing came up.
post #3890 of 15438
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Where do you find it? I did a search in the playstation store but nothing came up.

It is under Beyond Two Souls. Also in the new videos list under Media.
post #3891 of 15438
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Same here. It's a gimmick IMO.

Hell, I sort of like putting a new disc in and the anticipation of it spinning up for the first time. It's like driving a stick shift or something, and fires those pleasure areas in my brain.

What I HATE is waiting for a game install or patch update, especially on a newly bought game. If Sony was smart, they'll let us preload games were haven't bought, and download patches the same. Keep it encrypted or locked until the game is purchased, but allow us to get that data on the HDD so it's smooth sailing once you buy the digital license or put the game in for the first time.

Same here. The thing that it seems most people forget about going to a digital download only game environment is that if that delivery method ever comes into fruition, those games will be lost forever once the producer decides to shut down the servers or stop selling the game. There will be absolutely no way to ever play those games again. That fact is what has me most scared about this trend that so many people seem to be in love with. If you think that game companies will suddenly release the encryption keys for games that are no longer produced, you are superbly naive. With the amount of money that is made on re-releases of games, NO company would EVER release those encryption keys to the public. Especially since the keys are not unique to each game, but to the system as a whole.

In the future, if digital distribution becomes the only way to get a game, those games will be permanently lost and completely unrecoverable once the console manufacturers decide to shut down those servers. That is INCREDIBLY frightening to me. The way it is now, with physical discs, if you want to go back and play an older game from a previous generation, you just need to get a copy of the physical disc and the console it was played on. Put the disc in the console and you are all set. With digital only, if you decide you want to play a game from a generation or two before the current one, you absolutely cannot. It will not ever be possible.
post #3892 of 15438
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Originally Posted by Jdurg View Post

Same here. The thing that it seems most people forget about going to a digital download only game environment is that if that delivery method ever comes into fruition, those games will be lost forever once the producer decides to shut down the servers or stop selling the game. There will be absolutely no way to ever play those games again. That fact is what has me most scared about this trend that so many people seem to be in love with. If you think that game companies will suddenly release the encryption keys for games that are no longer produced, you are superbly naive. With the amount of money that is made on re-releases of games, NO company would EVER release those encryption keys to the public. Especially since the keys are not unique to each game, but to the system as a whole.

In the future, if digital distribution becomes the only way to get a game, those games will be permanently lost and completely unrecoverable once the console manufacturers decide to shut down those servers. That is INCREDIBLY frightening to me. The way it is now, with physical discs, if you want to go back and play an older game from a previous generation, you just need to get a copy of the physical disc and the console it was played on. Put the disc in the console and you are all set. With digital only, if you decide you want to play a game from a generation or two before the current one, you absolutely cannot. It will not ever be possible.

Valid point. I like having the disc.
post #3893 of 15438
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Originally Posted by Jdurg View Post

Same here. The thing that it seems most people forget about going to a digital download only game environment is that if that delivery method ever comes into fruition, those games will be lost forever once the producer decides to shut down the servers or stop selling the game. There will be absolutely no way to ever play those games again. That fact is what has me most scared about this trend that so many people seem to be in love with. If you think that game companies will suddenly release the encryption keys for games that are no longer produced, you are superbly naive. With the amount of money that is made on re-releases of games, NO company would EVER release those encryption keys to the public. Especially since the keys are not unique to each game, but to the system as a whole.

In the future, if digital distribution becomes the only way to get a game, those games will be permanently lost and completely unrecoverable once the console manufacturers decide to shut down those servers. That is INCREDIBLY frightening to me. The way it is now, with physical discs, if you want to go back and play an older game from a previous generation, you just need to get a copy of the physical disc and the console it was played on. Put the disc in the console and you are all set. With digital only, if you decide you want to play a game from a generation or two before the current one, you absolutely cannot. It will not ever be possible.

Relax, I'm sure you'll be able to play your digital purchases offline, just like you can on PS3.
post #3894 of 15438
Some PSN purchases like Bionic Commando require that you be logged online on the PS3.

And all that does is push that date he's talking about out temporarily. The minute your original console fails or your hard drive fails after support has concluded, your digital purchases are lost. But with a disc, all he needs to do is purchase another console or replace his hard drive.

And with the reliability of modern game consoles, we're not talking about outside chances here of hardware failure. These things aren't going to be like a late 1970's Atari 2600 that will usually still be fully operable even today when you stumble across one at a garage sale and such. Often they don't even last the customer through until the successor is released. Heck, surely a large percentage of consoles that have been sold in the disc era of gaming consoles have just been replacement hardware.

So all that does for the person that wants to keep playing their digital games is slightly extend that doomsday scenario for his investment since a hardware failure is a guarantee within a few years time.
Edited by Leo_Ames - 7/21/13 at 1:09am
post #3895 of 15438
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Relax, I'm sure you'll be able to play your digital purchases offline, just like you can on PS3.

Not forever. I know of apps that people had from the apple App Store that they had deleted temporarily to free up space or lost when switching devices that the developer had removed from the store since and could not be redone loaded and they are just gone. There is a very good chance that that will happen here.
post #3896 of 15438
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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post

Some PSN purchases like Bionic Commando require that you be logged online on the PS3.

And all that does is push that date he's talking about out temporarily. The minute your original console fails or your hard drive fails after support has concluded, your digital purchases are lost. But with a disc, all he needs to do is purchase another console or replace his hard drive.

And with the reliability of modern game consoles, we're not talking about outside chances here of hardware failure. These things aren't going to be like a late 1970's Atari 2600 that will usually still be fully operable even today when you stumble across one at a garage sale and such. Often they don't even last the customer through until the successor is released. Heck, surely a large percentage of consoles that have been sold in the disc era of gaming consoles have just been replacement hardware.

So all that does for the person that wants to keep playing their digital games is slightly extend that doomsday scenario for his investment since a hardware failure is a guarantee within a few years time.

I won't be worried about playing a game I purchased in 2016, in 2026. For me, once I'm done with a system I'm done. Just like I would not want to go back and play any of the games I played 35 to 40 years ago. Or even ten years ago.

Sure the games were fun at the time. But anytime I did look at a game I used to play, it's not the same any more. And it's hard to believe I even enjoyed it so much. Especially since it now looks like a pile of crap compared to what was available from current games. I expect it will be the same felling even from the new generation coming out. Even when comparing game from the launch of a system to games that come out many years later. There is a huge disparity. I can't even go back to any games from seven or eight years ago.
Edited by aaronwt - 7/21/13 at 6:03am
post #3897 of 15438
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post

Some PSN purchases like Bionic Commando require that you be logged online on the PS3.

And all that does is push that date he's talking about out temporarily. The minute your original console fails or your hard drive fails after support has concluded, your digital purchases are lost. But with a disc, all he needs to do is purchase another console or replace his hard drive.

And with the reliability of modern game consoles, we're not talking about outside chances here of hardware failure. These things aren't going to be like a late 1970's Atari 2600 that will usually still be fully operable even today when you stumble across one at a garage sale and such. Often they don't even last the customer through until the successor is released. Heck, surely a large percentage of consoles that have been sold in the disc era of gaming consoles have just been replacement hardware.

So all that does for the person that wants to keep playing their digital games is slightly extend that doomsday scenario for his investment since a hardware failure is a guarantee within a few years time.

I won't be worried about playing a game I purchased in 2016, in 2026. For me, once I'm done with a system I'm done. Just like I would not want to go back and play any of the games I played 35 to 40 years ago. Or even ten years ago.

Sure the games were fun at the time. But anytime I did look at a game I used to play, it's not the same any more. And it's hard to believe I even enjoyed it so much. Especially since it now looks like a pile of crap compared to what was available from current games. I expect it will be the same felling even from the new generation coming out. Even when comparing game from the launch of a system to games that come out many years later. There is a huge disparity. I can even go back to any games from seven or eight years ago.

Same here, but when I go trade my 360 in I have no trade value for the digital copies I picked up so in the long run DD at this time is useless. Even if its only a few bucks trade, its still lost money. So DD have to be dirt cheap for me to pick up.

Fortunately I only have a minor DD commitment, except for all DLC which is completely lost. I was hopeful Microsoft's plans would solve that or force other companies to change their policies but that was lost for now.
post #3898 of 15438
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Originally Posted by lordxar5 View Post

Same here, but when I go trade my 360 in I have no trade value for the digital copies I picked up so in the long run DD at this time is useless. Even if its only a few bucks trade, its still lost money. So DD have to be dirt cheap for me to pick up.

Fortunately I only have a minor DD commitment, except for all DLC which is completely lost. I was hopeful Microsoft's plans would solve that or force other companies to change their policies but that was lost for now.

Be prepared for disappointment. MS and Sony have no interest in you hanging on to games longer. They want you to buy the latest and greatest and will not lift a finger to support games longer. Precedents have been listed in this thread including MS shutting down their own music servers. I expect Sony to be no better and have their own history of anti consumer behavior.
post #3899 of 15438
I am still laughing at the irony that Nintendo is the only company that is properly supporting BC and still supports digital content from their previous generation. Full system transfers are in place for both the Wii and DSi to bring almost everything to the new consoles. This includes Rock Band DLC.
post #3900 of 15438
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

I am still laughing at the irony that Nintendo is the only company that is properly supporting BC and still supports digital content from their previous generation. Full system transfers are in place for both the Wii and DSi to bring almost everything to the new consoles. This includes Rock Band DLC.

It could be argued that they need to with the weaker system. This encourages their current base to upgrade to the new system instead of breaking off and buying one of the other 4 choices available or for pre-order.
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