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post #4201 of 15253
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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

ONIONS AND GARLIC!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO_mMEIBMMM

Nothing but Garlic indeed.
post #4202 of 15253
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

ONIONS AND GARLIC!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO_mMEIBMMM

Nothing but Garlic indeed.

Uh...WTF was that? biggrin.gif
post #4203 of 15253
Team Four Star's Dragon Ball Z Abridged, they are currently on the Android Saga.
post #4204 of 15253
I would only be concerned with this RAM "thing" if there were comments from developers or studios expressing even the slightest bit of frustration or concern about any limitation. I have heard NOTHING of the sort at this point in time, and with the console being brand new you would think that this is when the devs would WANT the most RAM available to them as their code is likely as optimal as one would expect.

Frankly, I think this is all just a bunch of hullaballoo since there's nothing else to really discuss at this point in time. tongue.gif
post #4205 of 15253
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Originally Posted by Jdurg View Post

I would only be concerned with this RAM "thing" if there were comments from developers or studios expressing even the slightest bit of frustration or concern about any limitation. I have heard NOTHING of the sort at this point in time, and with the console being brand new you would think that this is when the devs would WANT the most RAM available to them as their code is likely as optimal as one would expect.

Frankly, I think this is all just a bunch of hullaballoo since there's nothing else to really discuss at this point in time. tongue.gif
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post #4206 of 15253
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Originally Posted by Jdurg View Post

I would only be concerned with this RAM "thing" if there were comments from developers or studios expressing even the slightest bit of frustration or concern about any limitation. I have heard NOTHING of the sort at this point in time, and with the console being brand new you would think that this is when the devs would WANT the most RAM available to them as their code is likely as optimal as one would expect.

Frankly, I think this is all just a bunch of hullaballoo since there's nothing else to really discuss at this point in time. tongue.gif

I wouldn't expect it to have any repercussions for a while, they're too busy figuring out WTF to do with 5GB of ram. 2-3 years from now it might be a different story, but by then, it may be too late to change. It needs to get reigned in before it gets out of hand.

The way I see it, the PS4 has one job only - to play games. Anything else is a distraction. If they can't figure out how to do everything they need to do with the OS with 1GB of physical ram and basically unlimited virtual memory, then they need to take a step back and reconsider what they're doing.

Maybe they've got legitimate reasons, and they haven't actually lost focus....but their comments on it haven't exactly been reassuring.
post #4207 of 15253
Why would developers want more RAM NOW? That doesn't make any sense at all, even 4GBs will make them more than happy for now considering what they've been dealing with before. However the limitations will show in the future when you're pushing the hardware to the max, those games usually also happen to be the generation's best so of course I'd want them to free up and offer as much resources/power as possible from now for those future game titles.
post #4208 of 15253
Thread Starter 
Well, according to a respected NeoGAF insider there are several PS4 games that use up 6GBs of RAM in the works.
post #4209 of 15253
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I wouldn't expect it to have any repercussions for a while, they're too busy figuring out WTF to do with 5GB of ram. 2-3 years from now it might be a different story, but by then, it may be too late to change. It needs to get reigned in before it gets out of hand.

That’s last part is nonsense. Generations past they could have used the extra RAM from the get go, but couldn’t due to costs. They had to wait until the OS footprint shrunk to reclaim it. At 16X the previous generation, compared to generations past they’re swimming in RAM for the first time.

As you said, this generation they are already starting with more than they know what to do, which itself is the first time this has happened. The same rumors seem to also regulate the OS to a 1.5-2GB reserved, so there also still a black hole that is unclear if it’s just reserved for down the line if needed, or something else. Plus, they will reduce the memory footprint of the OS as the generation goes on as they have done every generation yet. PS3 went from a whopping 120MB of 512MB to just 48MB now.

Nothing to worry about, yet.
post #4210 of 15253
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

That’s last part is nonsense. Generations past they could have used the extra RAM from the get go, but couldn’t due to costs. They had to wait until the OS footprint shrunk to reclaim it. At 16X the previous generation, compared to generations past they’re swimming in RAM for the first time.

As you said, this generation they are already starting with more than they know what to do, which itself is the first time this has happened. The same rumors seem to also regulate the OS to a 1.5-2GB reserved, so there also still a black hole that is unclear if it’s just reserved for down the line if needed, or something else. Plus, they will reduce the memory footprint of the OS as the generation goes on as they have done every generation yet. PS3 went from a whopping 120MB of 512MB to just 48MB now.

Nothing to worry about, yet.

The difference is that 120mb is only 25% of 512mb. 3GB is approaching half of it.

And for what? There is no way they'll ever *need* more than 1GB to run a full features dashboard. Not unless they actually intend to run something like playstation home side by side with games, which is exactly what I don't want from their UI.

PS2 had only 32mb, it also jumped 16x. They're always swimming in tons of memory in a new generation, and they always find it restrictive before long.

It's nothing to specifically worry about yet...but it does make me lose a little faith in their vision.
post #4211 of 15253
I just don't think Sony wants to be caught flat-flooted like they did this generation.

The UI on PS3 is really terrible. The in-game XMB is slow. There is no in-game voice chat. Syncing trophies is the worst. Installing software is slow. The PS Store is disastrously slow. It's just not a good experience and looks amateurish compared to Microsoft.

So they are giving themselves all the space they need to match MS feature-for-feature. If something new comes out in 3 years then they can roll it out.

Considering that people use their consoles for a lot more than just games, it makes sense.

Also: I think the PS3 OS can take up more space if developers use certain features, like friends lists or custom soundtracks take X amount of memory. So it's not just 48MB all the time. On the other hand I believe the 360 OS always uses 32MB.
post #4212 of 15253
Leadbetter's source is his Microsoft Informant from B3D, I would take anything PS4 related with a grain of salt from this guy, especially when we have a dev not hiding behind a screen name saying it is false.

Too many people with proven track records on Sony leaks are stating that games using 6GB are in development right now, I would say Leadbetter's informant is wrong.
post #4213 of 15253
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Originally Posted by number1laing View Post

I just don't think Sony wants to be caught flat-flooted like they did this generation.

The UI on PS3 is really terrible. The in-game XMB is slow. There is no in-game voice chat. Syncing trophies is the worst. Installing software is slow. The PS Store is disastrously slow. It's just not a good experience and looks amateurish compared to Microsoft.

That's debatable. The updates to the 360 have put it the same slow category. Games are not the focus of the UI on the 360.
post #4214 of 15253
I don't like the 360's UI now much either, but:

1. The in-game UI is very fast.
2. It has in-game voice and party chat.
3. No installs.
4. Navigating the store is fairly quick, unlike the new PS3 store.
5. No trophy sync.

I don't like the ads on 360's UI but it is far more functional and fast than PS3.
post #4215 of 15253
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Originally Posted by number1laing View Post

I don't like the 360's UI now much either, but:

1. The in-game UI is very fast.
2. It has in-game voice and party chat.
3. No installs.
4. Navigating the store is fairly quick, unlike the new PS3 store.
5. No trophy sync.

I don't like the ads on 360's UI but it is far more functional and fast than PS3.

And they pull off the dash with 512mb, and the in-game UI with 32mb?

Hardly seems like they need a lot of memory or other resources if they're forced to be efficient.
post #4216 of 15253
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

The difference is that 120mb is only 25% of 512mb. 3GB is approaching half of it.

And for what? There is no way they'll ever *need* more than 1GB to run a full features dashboard. Not unless they actually intend to run something like playstation home side by side with games, which is exactly what I don't want from their UI.

Whoa, now that you mention it, I'll bet that's exactly what Sony has in mind for some of the OS memory: always-on next-gen Home.

The current Home brings them a ton of easy money with micro-transactions, and that's just from the casual people who frequent it. On the PS4, they could bring in few more serious gamers if it could be effortlessly woven into game play (i.e. clan meetings with Home strat rooms using the game's design and UI).

It will also be a vehicle for sponsored advertising revenues, and not just by gaming companies. Virtual shoes by Nike bought in Home could be used in any game that recognizes your Home avatar and/or wardrobe during game play. Games in general would be able to flip back and forth with related Home play areas for a wide variety of stuff, which is not possible with the PS3.

I'm not saying I'm on board with this if it happens (have to see it first), but it makes 100% sense to me.
post #4217 of 15253
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

And they pull off the dash with 512mb, and the in-game UI with 32mb?

Hardly seems like they need a lot of memory or other resources if they're forced to be efficient.

I think talk about "efficiency" here is misguided, since in the end no amount of memory is ever enough. There is a lot of money to be made from extending out the PS4's capabilities so Sony needs to strike a balance.

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I'm not saying I'm on board with this if it happens (have to see it first), but it makes 100% sense to me.

Maybe not Home but a Home-like system that links you to the entire community. That's how Steam does it with their overlay and it works really well.
post #4218 of 15253
New optical disk format is in development.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/personal/2013/07/29/panasonic-sony-developing-300gb-disc/2595629/

Doubt they'll make it to the PS4 in time.
post #4219 of 15253
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/29/playstation-4-party-chat-will-be-free-to-all?abthid=51f68674326cafb90a000009
At the moment, a PlayStation Plus subscription is needed to the online multiplayer of most titles, though services like Netflix, party chat, and free-to-play games like DC Universe Online will be available without it.

Additionally, the video also confirms that PlayStation 4 friends lists will be capped at 2,000 people, DualShock 3 controllers won't work with the PS4 while the PlayStation Move will, and your PSN avatar and username will carry over to PlayStation 4 along with a host of privacy options.

One of the biggest concerns fans have raised about the PlayStation 4 is just how many features will be accessible without owning a PS Plus account. Now that Sony's clarified this with regards to Netflix and party chat, do you feel it's a fair deal? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
post #4220 of 15253
I like that Netflix and stuff is available without PS+. I hate when MS talks about "delivering value to Gold users" by putting those services behind a paywall.
post #4221 of 15253
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Originally Posted by number1laing View Post

I like that Netflix and stuff is available without PS+. I hate when MS talks about "delivering value to Gold users" by putting those services behind a paywall.

Yup subs on sub services are pretty evil IMO. I'm sure it's not totally free to offer it on their system, but really thats something that their gold users should subsidize for everyone.

It’ll be interesting to see if they finally move it out. These companies really need to find other ways to “add value” rather than locking up features that come free on PC (and even as free apps IN HDTVs now!).

As for HOME, been completely disappointed in it because it never did what I envisioned it could do. Mostly due to the terrible load time to launch it, and how it really became a Second Life clone instead of visual version of Steam. If they tie it into games (leaderboards, clans, stats, game launching, profiles, ect) but mirror a 2D implementation in a 3d world, I think a lot of people will find it useful and neat (assuming load times are cut down to nothing). Imagine Steam but as a 3D avatar system with a lot extra if you want it.

If it’s just going to be second life home 2, forgeaboutit.
post #4222 of 15253
i have zero interest in anything home related.. just let me play games...
post #4223 of 15253
Well to be honest I never had much hope for Home. It's a Second Life clone and always seemed like it was going to be that. Microtransactioning clothing and furnishing further pushes home this point (pardon the pun). If they had a vision for Home at one point I don't think it's there any longer. I'll check it out every now and then to see what's new but other than some lackluster games they've added it's a pretty worthless addition. If it doesn't come to PS4 I won't shed a tear.
post #4224 of 15253
I haven't even opened Home, never felt the need to.
post #4225 of 15253
I tried home once a long time ago, yeah not for me.
post #4226 of 15253
Thread Starter 
It's difficult to judge Home for the PS4 since it would be different in many ways from the PS3 version, especially if it is allowed a RAM footprint that it always has access to even while gaming. If it comes, I am interested in seeing if it is worthwhile this time around.

For instance, if there is an online FPS tourney going on between 16 clans, a Home area can be available that monitors the results for the teams and individuals while organizing the next set of battles as needed.

Because it would( in theory) have its own RAM to keep this available at all times (simply switch in and out of the game) while the developer's cloud servers did all the stat processing while alerting players to get ready for their matches, there would be no impact on the game itself to be fully fleshed out.

Having a subsystem available for gaming support applications that require zero resources from the main game itself would be pretty cool IMHO.
Edited by joeblow - 7/29/13 at 11:25am
post #4227 of 15253
Thread Starter 
FYI - Sony's GamesCom conference in Europe will be Tuesday, August 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM (Pacific Standard).
post #4228 of 15253
My prediction is this. 6GB is allocated for games on the PS4 with 1GB of that being able to be used by the OS when needed but having to be returned for the games. Like what they stated in their statement.
post #4229 of 15253
I never understood the point of home after all the feature talks that were supposed to come and it ended up being in beta indefinitely. I don't even see the point of a PS4 Home either. Unless it because the main UI vs an alternative and why would anyone log into the alternative just to launch a game or any other app that is going to be available on the main UI?
post #4230 of 15253
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Originally Posted by defdog99 View Post

New optical disk format is in development.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/personal/2013/07/29/panasonic-sony-developing-300gb-disc/2595629/

Doubt they'll make it to the PS4 in time.

This can't be true because everyone all over the internet has been saying that Blu-Ray would be the last optical format ever. Like I always say, physical media isn't going anywhere for a long, long, long time.
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