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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

They said that it streams at 32khz, probably heavily compressed. Even if it works, it won't sound that great.

Is the Bluetooth tech not capable of the HD audio? I could easily envision a wired controller that could function as the headphone amp and pass the simulated surround direct from then PS4. Everything from $10 mic earbuds to $400 Yamaha Pro 500 headset (anything with a 4-pole conductor 3.5mm jack) would be able to to simulate surround sound and have chat capability. Seems like a no brainer.
post #5282 of 15248
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

What is the significance that stuff is happening on the GPU? Is it just a coding decision, like choosing Dominos or Pizza Hut? Or is it making a statement about the hardware?
They are using the GPU compute features that Cerny said wouldn't see much use until a couple of years in.
post #5283 of 15248
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

What is the significance that stuff is happening on the GPU? Is it just a coding decision, like choosing Dominos or Pizza Hut? Or is it making a statement about the hardware?

 

It's definitely significant, there's a crazy amount of physics going on in this game, although you really need to see a high bitrate video to appreciate it:

 

https://mega.co.nz/#!9NpD2AwZ!EldCilyHgZilU5HGgWvxFS8Y7O49sClKqfuznsZYyYE

 

The entire environment is composed of individual little cubes, and everything can be smashed to pieces, cube by cube.  There's no way in the world they could pull off anything remotely like this with current gen or even next gen consoles purely on the CPU. 

post #5284 of 15248
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post


Is the Bluetooth tech not capable of the HD audio? I could easily envision a wired controller that could function as the headphone amp and pass the simulated surround direct from then PS4. Everything from $10 mic earbuds to $400 Yamaha Pro 500 headset (anything with a 4-pole conductor 3.5mm jack) would be able to to simulate surround sound and have chat capability. Seems like a no brainer.

 

Potentially, but I havent heard anything about them actually supporting A2DP. I don't think they have enough bandwidth for the really high quality uncompressed audio though.

post #5285 of 15248
With clever compression, 32kbps can sound decent, but 64kbps would have been prefered. (Back at the PSP launch I did a lot of compression work on my music to get them to fit onto my 32MB memory stick, most at 64kbps)
post #5286 of 15248
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

With clever compression, 32kbps can sound decent, but 64kbps would have been prefered. (Back at the PSP launch I did a lot of compression work on my music to get them to fit onto my 32MB memory stick, most at 64kbps)

They said it was sampling at 32khz, not 32kbps. The actual bitrate could be something like 20kbps. I'm really not expecting much from it.
post #5287 of 15248
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

They said it was sampling at 32khz, not 32kbps. The actual bitrate could be something like 20kbps. I'm really not expecting much from it.

Doh, well scratch my mild optimism then.
post #5288 of 15248
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

Doh, well scratch my mild optimism then.

Don't lose hope yet, it could actually be something decent like 96kbps. We prob won't know until we get our hands on it.

Either way it'll be reduced quality vs the current solutions.
post #5289 of 15248
Sony and Microsoft take a few light hearted jabs at each other over Indies.

http://kotaku.com/sonys-latest-shot-at-microsoft-comes-on-a-t-shirt-you-1231834104
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Massive New Dragon Age Inquisition preview, hype levels are rising...

A few snips from the preview that spoil nothing about the game.
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Playable Qunari. Tactical top-down combat. Large armies and controllable keeps. A massive world that the team compares to Skyrim, complete with interactive environments and graphics that scream "holy crap, this is next-gen!"

There are little bits of environmental interaction, too—your character's boots will collect mud. She'll lean into hills as she climbs. She can use a spell or a torch to burn a warboat on the coast nearby.

One big change that will undoubtedly make fans happy: during combat, you can now pause at any time and flip the camera up for a top-down tactical view, then assign your characters orders, Infinity Engine-style. This option wasn't available in DAII, and it was only available for PC players of Origins. BioWare's folks say they're proud to bring it back.

Inquisition, it should be noted, is a cross-gen game. BioWare says that when it comes out next fall, it'll be on Xbox One, PS4, PC, Xbox 360, and PS3. It sounds like current-gen might be a watered-down version of this RPG, though. I asked the crew what the differences will be.P

"A lot of it will be visual," said Darrah. "On current-gen, [towns will be] much less populated." Not in terms of people you talk to, he added, but there will be fewer random bypassers and citizens. Visual stuff.P

I've been skeptical, though, and I asked the crew: surely they can't do as much with next-gen hardware when they're also forced to make these games work on the 360 and PS3?

"I'd rather tackle the problem of making the old gen fit then tackle the problem of going no, it's good enough," said Laidlaw. "It's a better problem to have."

Will they be able to make it fit? They say they haven't optimized the current-gen version yet, and that their engine "scales well," but it's sounding like PS4/XB1/PC might be a must for a game like Inquisition

Read the entire preview here, it is quite long.

http://kotaku.com/the-next-dragon-age-is-crazy-ambitious-1232404991
post #5291 of 15248
Thread Starter 
EDIT (free game was an Amazon typo):

[URL=http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-4-PS4-Standard/dp/B00CMQTVQO/ref=lp_6427871011_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378004898&sr=1-1Amazon[/URL] has a launch day PS4 bundle back in stock that includes an extra DS4 controller for $460. It will ship on November 15 like all the other launch bundles.
Edited by joeblow - 8/31/13 at 8:10pm
post #5292 of 15248
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Originally Posted by joeblow View Post

Amazon has a Knack PS4 bundle that includes an extra DS4 controller for $460. It will ship on November 15 like all the other launch bundles.

Wow that's the first bundle I've seen that is actually cheaper than buying everything separately. Too bad it's knack though. Not my thing at all.
post #5293 of 15248
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Originally Posted by RexHarrison View Post

Wow that's the first bundle I've seen that is actually cheaper than buying everything separately. Too bad it's knack though. Not my thing at all.

Knack isn't included, just the extra controller. It was a typo.

Amazon got permission to take more launch preorders and made a new bundle.
post #5294 of 15248
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

Knack isn't included, just the extra controller. It was a typo.

Amazon got permission to take more launch preorders and made a new bundle.

Oh, so there are still no bundles that actually save people money. Cool.

What's the point of these bundles ? I guess it saves time but that's it.
post #5295 of 15248
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Originally Posted by RexHarrison View Post

Oh, so there are still no bundles that actually save people money. Cool.

What's the point of these bundles ? I guess it saves time but that's it.

It is how launch preorders usually go, using bundles to make more money off of people who want the system. (Official Retailers can't go over MSRP, this allows them to get around that restriction and generate more revenue)

The Plus bundles did save you $10 though, making them the greatest unofficial launch bundles I can remember.
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Thread Starter 
Thanks for the update. Post edited.
post #5297 of 15248
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Originally Posted by joeblow View Post

Here's a cool PS+ on PS4 video:


So I just watched the PS+ ad and I'm confused on the messaging within the video as it appears at first view all these PS3 games are playable for free on PS4.
post #5298 of 15248
PS3 is stretch goal already, PS4 / Vita we'd love to but only IF we hear enough interest and can make the money work. Thanks!

https://mobile.twitter.com/mightyno9

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mightyno9/mighty-no-9

Mighty No 9 is a Megaman spiritual successor from Keiji Inafune, it is currently set to exceed it's primary funding goal of 900k in under 48 hours. Anyone with a twitter account please message Inafune and Yoshida about getting this on PS4!
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

PS3 is stretch goal already, PS4 / Vita we'd love to but only IF we hear enough interest and can make the money work. Thanks!

https://mobile.twitter.com/mightyno9

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mightyno9/mighty-no-9

Mighty No 9 is a Megaman spiritual successor from Keiji Inafune, it is currently set to exceed it's primary funding goal of 900k in under 48 hours. Anyone with a twitter account please message Inafune and Yoshida about getting this on PS4!


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@giocorsi is the Director of Third Party Production for Sony PlayStation.
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Same as PS3. Not a huge deal since the internal is easily upgraded, but a tad annoying. Wonder if the 4GB file size limitation is still there...
post #5301 of 15248
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Same as PS3. Not a huge deal since the internal is easily upgraded, but a tad annoying. Wonder if the 4GB file size limitation is still there...

How does it work with ps3 now? Do you have to manually copy games over, or does it do it automatically? Or can stuff like PSN games just not go on the USB?
post #5302 of 15248
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

How does it work with ps3 now? Do you have to manually copy games over, or does it do it automatically? Or can stuff like PSN games just not go on the USB?

Games can not be installed to the plug and play drive at all.

Download install files might be, but with most of them being over 4GB you can't really do that (never tired it). PS3 only accepts FAT32 formatted drives, which limits files sizes to 4GB. So it's really only good for archiving small files (music, game saves, and some small media files).

I would hope they allow a better file system implementation this go around.
post #5303 of 15248
I've never done a full backup before, mostly just care about my save files, but can't you fully backup your PS3's data including your digital games (so you wouldn't have to download them again) to an external drive due to the FAT32 size limitation? If so that really sucks.

If I'm not mistaken, you can connect 2 PS3s via Ethernet and transfer one's data including games to another, right? But that doesn't really help with the HDD upgrade situation which happens far more often.
post #5304 of 15248
I don't think it backs up any of that stuff.

http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/ono_sendai/blog/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-backup-and-restore/96334/


I also think it must somehow split the files able to be backed up into acceptable partitioned archive files and then reassemble them to get around the limits. I only tried once, and with a lot of music, movie and game trailers on my HDD the backup itself failed. I said screw it and just keep that stuff backed up on an external drive.
post #5305 of 15248
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

I've never done a full backup before, mostly just care about my save files, but can't you fully backup your PS3's data including your digital games (so you wouldn't have to download them again) to an external drive due to the FAT32 size limitation? If so that really sucks.

If I'm not mistaken, you can connect 2 PS3s via Ethernet and transfer one's data including games to another, right? But that doesn't really help with the HDD upgrade situation which happens far more often.
I tried the backup and it Is a total load of BS. It does not back up saves game files or the games themselves.
post #5306 of 15248
Really?! That's such fail, I don't remember if I transferred my saves manually or it actually worked via backup process when I replaced my HDD, I do know that the backup was going to take forever which pissed the hell out of me (so I probably did go the manual route lol).
post #5307 of 15248
I thought PS3 to PS3 was to move/transfer data only? Meh, got me some cloud (PS+) so I'm backed up wink.gif
post #5308 of 15248
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

I tried the backup and it Is a total load of BS. It does not back up saves game files or the games themselves.

AFAIK I think it does back up save files. Just not copy protected save files, which is even more annoying because the PS+ cloud can do it.

No game data or installed game download though. Just personal files you already put on there, system setting, things like that. It def something they need to fix and make better going into next gen. Especially with the amount of data we'll be handling going forward.
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post #5310 of 15248
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

AFAIK I think it does back up save files. Just not copy protected save files, which is even more annoying because the PS+ cloud can do it.

No game data or installed game download though. Just personal files you already put on there, system setting, things like that. It def something they need to fix and make better going into next gen. Especially with the amount of data we'll be handling going forward.

When I upgraded my drive I just accepted the fact that I had to redownload all my games and went through my DL history and redownloaded everything I had before. It took a few days to get it all back but it seems that is the only fool proof way to get all the games you've downloaded back. With my 1TB drive I have roughly 517GBs left and that's with 95 PS3 games (a mix of full and PSN games), 23 PSX games, 2 PS2 games, 20 Minis, and 1 TurboGrafix game. I'd rather not have to do that again with the PS4 should I upgrade the drive. Hopefully they have something planned to make it easier.
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