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I think you are jumping to conclusions a little to quick here bd.

First, from the point of view of this humble console only gamer, I don't see how these announcements change anything as far as the coming console generation goes. Neither the mantle or SteamOS announcements have made PC gaming suddenly look more appealing to me because you'll still have to upgrade more often (then consoles) to get the best performance. GTA V is a game that looks light years ahead of the first games released on the 360 8 years ago and my 360 runs GTA V like a champ. I doubt mantle will pull off the same for 8 year old PCs, not with out some hardware upgrades. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are saying but I just don't see this challenging consoles in the optimization department... consoles are always going to be king here unless every PC gamer buys the exact same hardware at the same time.

 

Oh, I'm definitely jumping to conclusions.  But I'm not saying it's a foregone conclusion, just noticing which way the winds are blowing.  Let me ask you this....is your launch xbox still running?  I'm sure you've had to buy a new xbox at some point.  Even if it's a slim, it's still the same hardware inside.  And since 2005, how many times have you upgraded your smartphone?  Probably quite a few...and each one has been better and faster than the last. Even if mantle only gets them halfway towards being as optimized as the consoles, and even if SteamOS is still a little trickier to use than an Xbox....at some point the gains from the newer, better hardware and the open platform with more competition will start to outweigh the advantages of a standardized platform.  We're seeing that happen with Android vs. iPhone - there's only one iPhone, and that tight platform has it's advantages. But if that latest iPhone isn't for you, there's a zillion android phones out there that all run the same OS and apps...and now you've got choice and performance that you never had when sticking with just Apple.

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As far as Windows becoming marginalized, I doubt that will happen. Most people still buy PCs to do more then just gaming so unless SteamOS and mantle are going to also run things like Word and Excel then Windows will still dominate. I know some hardcore gamers will build gaming systems but, most people don't. If PC games only sold to those with gaming specific systems then there sales only would be a fraction of what they are today.

From the point of view of this console only gamer, I just don't see these announcements changing the scene a whole lot, at least not for many years. Still looks like Sony vs MS to me, nothing in the past few days has made me question my PS4 pre-order out of the hopes for something better coming soon.

Honestly, I don't even get the excitement around SteamOS and the Steam Machines. I guess if you are already a Steam user and PC gamer it is exciting but, it didn't do anything to make PC gaming appear like a better solution the then PS4 or Xbox One, not to my eyes at least.

 

 

Yeah, I'm not saying this changes everything overnight, but the seeds are being planted for a revolution. It still needs time to grow. For the next few years Sony and MS run the show, but they no longer seem as invincible as they used to be. This isn't some kickstarter like ouya, Valve is a big player in this space that isn't toying around. I'm still buying a PS4 and Xbox One on day one, but if they never iterate on hardware, and they're the exact same internals 3-4 years from now....they'll probably just start collecting dust, because I'm not going to be interested in playing games in sub-1080p/30fps for very long. Not when someone else is putting out vastly superior hardware with a decent couch UI for a similar price. Valve's got the right concept, now they need to execute.  

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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

Back to the PS4, here is a video of the OS in action without a script. Very fast and is pretty much an enhanced XMB.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sl454gLQ3sA

 

Man, I'm really disappointed he didn't click through to that "sound and screen" menu.  I really wanna see what's under there.

 

I've got my fingers crossed that we only need to set overscan and gamma once, instead of every time we start a new game.


Edited by bd2003 - 9/26/13 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

Back to the PS4, here is a video of the OS in action without a script. Very fast and is pretty much an enhanced XMB.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sl454gLQ3sA

That almost brought a tear to my eye lol, I really hate how sluggish the XMB gets specially when opened up during games, hopefully the PS4's menu will remain stable and responsive no matter what you're doing.
post #5944 of 15182
Looks like you can set your display name. So we will have our current PSN (Pendragoongp) and a name we can set at will. (John Smith or Pendragoon)

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=686899
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Awesome PS4 XMB video; thanks for posting it.
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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

Agree.
Heh, at times I turn on the PS3 and blindly control the XMB while watching TV since it is easy to know exactly where everything is at.
Edited by joeblow - 9/26/13 at 3:02pm
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PS3's user interface has really grown on me. I'm glad to see Sony is keeping the same basic idea. I'm not a fanboy in any way, shape, or form. I used to own 2 360's, both RROD'd on me. I now have a PS3 and I have a PS4 pre ordered and paid for. I loved the 360, I thought it was awesome, I wish mine didn't turn into bricks after both warranties were up. 

 

That being said, the Windows 8 Metro interface has never appealed to me. Whether it's the PC version, Msofts mobile version, and now the XBone UI.  It looks terribly cluttered and sacrifices intuitiveness  for style.  

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XMB grew on me as well. I still think its archaic looking but once I found out how little of a footprint it has, that raised it up quite a few notches. I can deal with minimal if I'm getting a lot more out of my games for it.

Just listened to the sound demo several posts back...holy crap I had to double check things at the beginning. Our dog goes nuts when the doorbell rings and right off the bat the doorbell rings and I totally expected her to light off barking. Had to play it a couple times to be sure it was really in my head and not in the real world. Airplanes and car traffic sounded good but the doorbell was what did me in.
post #5948 of 15182
Same here, I love the simplicity of PS3's navigation. Keeping it simple without all the flash is the way to go.

The PSN store on the other hand took a huge downgrade from what it used to be... so slow and sluggish.
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i hate the new PS store with passion mad.gif
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Originally Posted by Notsobright View Post

i hate the new PS store with passion mad.gif
I doubt there is a single soul on this planet that hasn't nearly thrown their controller through their TV because of the new godawful PSN Store. It's the most ponderously slow application I've ever had the displeasure of using. I imagine it will be amazing on the PS4.
post #5951 of 15182
Thinking I am going to just Sell my PS4 when it arrives and if there happens to be a ton of units I'll just send it back to Amazon.

Seems like there are bundles all around except for the US , not sure why Sony is so inconsistent with their offerings but screw that.

I'd rather wait a few months and pick up a bundle . Its not even about the money, just feels like your getting screwed on purpose.. I'll Let someone else subsidize the other freebees.

Overall not really pleased with the hardware this gen, seriously considering sticking with PC.
Edited by samendolaro - 9/27/13 at 7:50am
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I think the bundles are to offset the exchange rates that are screwing EU/AUS/Japan

Just thePS4 consoles themselves are well past $500 USD, and that’s not even getting into the ridiculous prices for games and accessories.

I think it AUS it’s even up to $700 US just for the console.
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Originally Posted by samendolaro View Post

Thinking I am going to just Sell my PS4 when it arrives and if there happens to be a ton of units I'll just send it back to Amazon.

Good luck.

This could turn into a Wii or Wii balance board thing and you will literally take 6 months finding one in a store.

It's going to fly off the shelves till January.

It being $399 instead of $599 and having a _huge_ day-1 software library is only going to make it more attractive.
This isnt a buy a 40 gig phat and wait a couple months for a good game kinda thing.
Edited by defdog99 - 9/27/13 at 10:09am
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I am just becoming very underwhelmed by the capabilities of this gen.


http://www.videogamer.com/xboxone/watch_dogs/news/watch_dogs_is_30fps_on_ps4_and_xbox_one.html
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Watch Dogs will run at 30FPS on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, creative director Jonathan Morin has told VideoGamer.com.

"Right now the frame rate we're focussing on [is] a steady 30[FPS]," said Morin speaking to us at Eurogamer Expo this afternoon. "There's always a balance, especially for open world, between the simulation and the rest.

"I think for where we are, the most important thing is the steadiness and [ensuring] that it's always capped the same so when you play it it feels right."

Despite confirming the frame rate, though, Morin could not confirm the game's native resolution on next-gen platforms, claiming that he didn't know whether the game would run at 720p or 1080p.
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A lot of the games that released when the PS3 released certainly don't stand up well in comparison to recent games now available on the PS3. I'm sure it takes developers some time to get familiar with the tech as well as having additional time (i.e., not rushing to meet the release date of a new console) to make full use of the tools the PS4 will provide. You're also talking about a multiplat. I'm confident that we will all be sufficiently wowed by the games that continue to launch on both next gen consoles.

I'm just ready for 11/15. Folks are in full lather mode speculating, disparaging, and prophesying about what the PS4/Xbone will be like. I'm content to finish up the games I have on the PS4 and then sit in gaming bliss the night of 11/15.
post #5956 of 15182
Wow, Infamous Second Son is absolutely KILLING IT !






Look at how freaking gorgeous that looks. The neon lighting reflecting on the wet asphalt. The colors, the detail. Just jaw droppingly gorgeous.
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Originally Posted by defdog99 View Post

Good luck.

This could turn into a Wii or Wii balance board thing and you will literally take 6 months finding one in a store.

It's going to fly off the shelves till January.

It being $399 instead of $599 and having a _huge_ day-1 software library is only going to make it more attractive.
This isnt a buy a 40 gig phat and wait a couple months for a good game kinda thing.

Boy do I hope you are wrong. Sony should have been engaging in as herculean an effort as possible to get their supply numbers up after the brutal pounding they gave Xbone at e3. You've got to have every advantage possible in a knife fight.
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any videos of that Second Son in motion? I never really got into the first two games so not that interested but still want to see more.
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Originally Posted by samendolaro View Post

I am just becoming very underwhelmed by the capabilities of this gen.


http://www.videogamer.com/xboxone/watch_dogs/news/watch_dogs_is_30fps_on_ps4_and_xbox_one.html

Cross Generation Game
Stupid split RAM decision by MS
Launch games
Ubisoft…

Honestly, I’m pretty impressed with that we’ve seen and are getting so far for launch. Go back and check out the PS360 launch titles and comapre them to later generation releases. Heck, go check out PS2/Xbox launch titles.

Even the big publishers are getting their high end PC games on the systems right off the bad, albeit with small downgrades. One that will disappear after they’ve had time to adjust their engines to console development and optimize them.

EA/Ubi/Activision cross generation launch titles aren’t exactly the barometer to measure the systems by, unless you’re meassuring the other end and seeing how close they can get to the top on their first try. Or how bad they make the consoles look.
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Originally Posted by Drlink View Post

Boy do I hope you are wrong. Sony should have been engaging in as herculean an effort as possible to get their supply numbers up after the brutal pounding they gave Xbone at e3. You've got to have every advantage possible in a knife fight.

House has said they're "significantly over" 1 million preorders and there’s some question of whether he’s talking only about the UK/EU. If they hitting their targets they’ll have 4-5 million ready to go by Nov, but that’s a worldwide Nov launch including some developing nations (minus japan).

Even with way better logistics, the longer generation and Sony hitting it out of the park on design and messaging is going to lead to the largest console launch ever. Supply is probably going to be slim.
Edited by TyrantII - 9/27/13 at 12:34pm
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Why would you care what Ubisoft brings to the table when they basically don't give a **** about optimizing their games as much as possible but focus more on making it available on every device known to man and milk everything hardcore style?

If you doubt PS4 for a second, go watch QD's The Dark Sorcerer tech demo again and that's half of what the PS4 can do in the future, QD's history with always exceeding well past their tech demos visually makes me have no doubts this is all possible.
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

Why would you care what Ubisoft brings to the table when they basically don't give a **** about optimizing their games as much as possible but focus more on making it available on every device known to man and milk everything hardcore style?

Will vouch for Rocksmith crashing on PS3 since day 1.
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

I think it AUS it’s even up to $700 US just for the console.

Console $549au = $596us
Games $99August = $107us

Sony is pretty much asking Aussies to grab their ankles and grin,
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Originally Posted by defdog99 View Post

Will vouch for Rocksmith crashing on PS3 since day 1.

That is one of the things, like the crappy menu system that just can't be fixed. I'm glad I chose the xbox/pc version.

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Originally Posted by Mud76 View Post

Console $549au = $596us
Games $99August = $107us

Sony is pretty much asking Aussies to grab their ankles and grin,

I thought Aussies were used to this by now. Isn't it pretty much everything is overpriced there?
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Originally Posted by Anthony1 View Post

Has there been any talk whatsoever in regards to games supporting 3D on PS4 ? Reason I ask, is I was looking at some pictures of the PS4 UI, and it appears there is a setting for TV Size, which is normally associated with 3D. Any chance that Knack or Killzone or DriveClub will feature a 3D option ? Also, any talk if the Blu Ray player supports 3D for 3D Blu Ray movies ? Since the PS3 supports that, I would assume the PS4 does as well, but have never heard anything specific about it.

The PS4 better fully support 3D Blu-ray Discs. That was one of the things that never fully materialized on the PS3. It never completely supported 3D BDs. But still the fact that it partially supported 3D BDs from a system that came out in 2006 was pretty amazing.
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

[quote name="Anthony1" url="/t/1459375/playstation-4/5910#post_23774901"]Has there been any talk whatsoever in regards to games supporting 3D on PS4 ? Reason I ask, is I was looking at some pictures of the PS4 UI, and it appears there is a setting for TV Size, which is normally associated with 3D. Any chance that Knack or Killzone or DriveClub will feature a 3D option ? Also, any talk if the Blu Ray player supports 3D for 3D Blu Ray movies ? Since the PS3 supports that, I would assume the PS4 does as well, but have never heard anything specific about it.[/quote]The PS4 better fully support 3D Blu-ray Discs. That was one of the things that never fully materialized on the PS3. It never completely supported 3D BDs. But still the fact that it partially supported 3D BDs from a system that came out in 2006 was pretty amazing.

There's been almost no talk whatsoever. The only little shred I've heard is housemarque saying they'd like to eventually bring 3D to resogun...eventually, through a post release patch. But no promises.

As much as I hate to admit it, it's not looking great for 3D. It doesn't matter how easy it is to implement, the 3D haters have been a very vocal crowd, and I don't think Sony or any dev wants to step back into that minefield. I have a feeling they'll revisit it seriously if glasses-free 3DTVs ever become mass market, but the people who vocally demand 3D support are outnumbered 10:1 by the people who remind everyone how much they hate it any time it's mentioned. 3D might be the only thing in gaming that gets more hate than call of duty.

I want to be wrong about it, but I feel like it's gonna be the dark ages for 3D gaming for a few years.
Edited by bd2003 - 9/27/13 at 3:26pm
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3D is dying again, even the 3DS is giving up on it. (Pokemon XY have little 3D support and it kills the frame rate where it does work)
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

3D is dying again, even the 3DS is giving up on it. (Pokemon XY have little 3D support and it kills the frame rate where it does work)

What is that Tag Team business on your name?
post #5968 of 15182
3D typically means either half the frame-rate or half the resolution. I don't think it's any surprise that launch games are focusing on performance and getting a handle on the new hardware over filling the niche.

Love it or hate it, people tend not to like those damn glasses. BD's got it right, it's going to take in-screen 3D to make it accessible for most people (Not to mention directors using it worth a damn)
post #5969 of 15182
Completely agree with Tyrant.
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http://www.examiner.com/article/rumor-playstation-4-gets-graphically-definitive-version-of-watch-dogs?cid=db_articles
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Earlier today, talk regarding the next generation versions of Ubisoft's "Watch_Dogs" was put under fire regarding display resolutions and frame rate speeds. In an interview with Jonathan Morin, creative director, discussion of what gamers could expect on their respected platforms, be it the Xbox One, PlayStation 4, Wii U, PC or current generation machines, was gone over. He had this to say:

"Right now the frame rate we're focusing on is a steady 30FPS, There's always a balance, especially for open world, between the simulation and the rest.

I think for where we are, the most important thing is the steadiness and ensuring that it's always capped the same so when you play it, it feels right."

The point of interest came when Morin refused to acknowledge the final resolutions of the title on each platform, simply stating that he was "unsure." Intrigued, sources were contacted with connections to the project. What was discovered was not surprising, and if anything should make sense of what platform holds the most potential this upcoming generation.

When asked what the final resolutions of these titles were shooting for, the answer's was almost as indecisive as Morin's, indicating that the team may still be working on optimization:

"720p on PS360, 1080 on PS4, TBD on Xbox One"

When asked if the difference was noticeable, the answer was clear:

"Big difference between last generation and next gen. You can see it. PC can hit up to 60fps 1080, but I think they are aiming for parity with PS4"

From there, the question of frame rate was put in the air, as the Xbox versions of multi-platform games have always seemed to be in question as of late:

"Both hit 30fps easy. I think Xbox One suffers a few dips from 60fps. PS4 is pretty smooth. Definitive version"


Edited by samendolaro - 9/27/13 at 7:56pm
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