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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

As far as Windows becoming marginalized, I doubt that will happen. Most people still buy PCs to do more then just gaming so unless SteamOS and mantle are going to also run things like Word and Excel then Windows will still dominate...

Word and Excel? In another year most people will realize those 2 programs are a Cat earth mover when they need the free Google Drive yard cart.
post #5973 of 15179
Some Resogun footage from the Eurogamer expo.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q3JCvHML8FI
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

Word and Excel? In another year most people will realize those 2 programs are a Cat earth mover when they need the free Google Drive yard cart.

I realized that a few years ago.
post #5975 of 15179
Whatever guys. This will be my last word on the subject because this really isn't the right thread. I think people are over estimating the adoption rate of cloud services in the buisness world. I use excel all the time at work and I've tried free options like OpenOffice and Google Drive. None of the free options are as good and robust as MS Excel, not even close. If you think they are, then you're not a power Excel user and don't realize what those free options are missing.

Free doesn't always mean better. I guess some of you think GIMP is better then Photoshop because it is free. I'm not saying that those free alternatives are bad and don't satisfy many people's needs but, they are not as good or powerful as the full office suit.
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

Whatever guys. This will be my last word on the subject because this really isn't the right thread. I think people are over estimating the adoption rate of cloud services in the buisness world. I use excel all the time at work and I've tried free options like OpenOffice and Google Drive. None of the free options are as good and robust as MS Excel, not even close. If you think they are, then you're not a power Excel user and don't realize what those free options are missing.

Free doesn't always mean better. I guess some of you think GIMP is better then Photoshop because it is free. I'm not saying that those free alternatives are bad and don't satisfy many people's needs but, they are not as good or powerful as the full office suit.

MS will be moving corporate solutions to the cloud soon enough, and all IT will go through them. I don't think people are claiming that access, SQL, excel, and legacy programs will be going away. Just that they're going to be run remotely to access terminals and offered as a service, rather then a local license.

Think Bloomberg terminal. There's a heck of a lot more money in that for MS, while allowing them more breadth in with what they offer.
post #5977 of 15179
I'm shocked the world has accepted "cloud" technologies. It's already too easy to become a victim online.
Edited by brwsaw - 10/1/13 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by brwsaw View Post

I'm shocked the world has accepted "cloud" technologies. It's already to easy to become a victim online.

When the right breach happens that will change some things.
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Thread Starter 
Yoshida confirms that any game with local co-op can be played on different TVs using the Vita TV thingy (or the Vita itself).

The extra gamer(s) can do so in same home, or, presumably, through the internet remotely if the lag isn't too bad for them.
Edited by joeblow - 9/29/13 at 7:52am
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http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/09/29/xbox-one-retail-version-of-battlefield-4-will-still-run-at-720p-60-fps-ea-representative-confirms/

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Both the Xbox One and PS4 version of Battlefield 4 were demonstrated running at 720p resolution and 60 FPS, but as confirmed by Frostbite Technical Director Johan Andersson on Twitter, it runs at a higher resolution in the PS4 developer environment and the final resolution will be apparent when the game will launch (which, mind you, is not a confirmation that the retail PS4 version will run at a resolution over 720p. It just means that it’ll be optimized before launch, and then we’ll see).

Can Xbox One users planning to get the game hope for the same treatment? Apparently not, as confirmed by an “EA representative in charge” to the Japanese site Game*Spark, that got hands on time with the game at Eurogamer Expo.

According to said EA rep, the Xbox One retail version of the game will still run at 720p , 60 fps, the same as the alpha version showcased at Eurogamer Expo.

In addition to that Game*Spark’s writer mentions that graphics “look blurred and a little flat, probably due to lower resolution textures and somewhat worse lighting compared to the PC version”..
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The article has been updated, it's a fake just to get site views. Shocking from a Sony site.
post #5982 of 15179
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

The article has been updated, it's a fake just to get site views. Shocking from a Sony site.

No, not exactly fake.. The article never stated that the PS4 would have better resolution it said that it already did.on the dev units so EA not wanting to cause conflict make a statement that basically they are going to tone back the PS4 version to match whatever the XB is capable of or toning back some of the graphics in the XB1 so it can be at the same res at PS4. We'll have to see what actually happens at launch. If I keep my PS4 then BF4 was going to be one of my launch titles. Seeing that statement from EA basically put an end to that . If they end forcing the ps4 to a lower res then I just won't purchase it.
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Originally Posted by samendolaro View Post

No, not exactly fake.. The article never stated that the PS4 would have better resolution it said that it already did.on the dev units so EA not wanting to cause conflict make a statement that basically they are going to tone back the PS4 version to match whatever the XB is capable of or toning back some of the graphics in the XB1 so it can be at the same res at PS4. We'll have to see what actually happens at launch. If I keep my PS4 then BF4 was going to be one of my launch titles. Seeing that statement from EA basically put an end to that . If they end forcing the ps4 to a lower res then I just won't purchase it.

What?

Uh, it will still look great.

So the resolution of a game will stop you getting it even if it's a game you will enjoy?

How very sad.
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The issue isn't completely about gimped resolution as it's more the principle that, if true, EA is dumbing down BF4 to look the same on both platforms. There is nothing wrong with speaking with your wallet. If more people did that certain yearly releases wouldn't be the steaming pile of copy paste they are year after year.
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Originally Posted by lordxar5 View Post

The issue isn't completely about gimped resolution as it's more the principle that, if true, EA is dumbing down BF4 to look the same on both platforms. There is nothing wrong with speaking with your wallet. If more people did that certain yearly releases wouldn't be the steaming pile of copy paste they are year after year.

But of course they are going to keep visual parity between ports where possible. It would be stupid if one got a vastly superior port. It's called business.
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

But of course they are going to keep visual parity between ports where possible. It would be stupid if one got a vastly superior port. It's called business.

PS3 versions of games were gimped for most of the generation, why should the PS4 suffer because the Xbox One lacks the grunt to keep up? That will tick off a lot of customers and Sony if a company goes for parity, it is why I am not picking up any third party games at launch.
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Originally Posted by brwsaw View Post

I'm shocked the world has accepted "cloud" technologies. It's already to easy to become a victim online.
Why don't they just say server or online server? I'm so tired of hearing the word "cloud"
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Originally Posted by SubaruB4 View Post

Why don't they just say server or online server? I'm so tired of hearing the word "cloud"

Because realigning the positronic array is cooler than cranking the dish over to F4.
post #5989 of 15179
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

PS3 versions of games were gimped for most of the generation, why should the PS4 suffer because the Xbox One lacks the grunt to keep up? That will tick off a lot of customers and Sony if a company goes for parity, it is why I am not picking up any third party games at launch.

It's not fair!

Seriously guys?

The PS3 was a pain to develop for, so Sony shot themselves in the foot with that one.

It seems all PS4 buyers care about is power, this silly little superiority war.

I want both because I don't want to miss out on games, seriously I imagine the majority of you wouldn't have a clue if you were playing on a PS4 or Xbox if it was behind a wall based on visuals alone even if the PS4 wasn't being so cruelly held back because of the inferior Xbox One.
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The Xbox One is a pain to develop for and considerably weaker, so Microsoft shot themselves in the foot with that one. It works both ways. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

The Xbox One is a pain to develop for and considerably weaker, so Microsoft shot themselves in the foot with that one. It works both ways. wink.gif

What 'Legitimate' source has said it's a pain to develop for? It is an evolution of the 360 with Esram, any dev struggling with developing games for it isn't worth their salt.
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post


But of course they are going to keep visual parity between ports where possible. It would be stupid if one got a vastly superior port. It's called business.

 

I completely disagree. XBone buyers have known from the start that they were buying the weaker console. If devs are blatantly dumbing down PS4 ports to avoid offending XBone owners, that's going to be bad for business because it's going to piss off a lot of PS4 owners.

 

If it's true that Dice had BF4 running at 900p @ 60fps on PS4 and they dumbed it down to match XBone, that's complete BS and it's unnecessary. If visual parity makes so much business sense, why don't devs of multiplatform games just give PS4 and XBone a Wii U port ?


Edited by XboxJuan - 9/29/13 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

It's not fair!

Seriously guys?

The PS3 was a pain to develop for, so Sony shot themselves in the foot with that one.

It seems all PS4 buyers care about is power, this silly little superiority war.

I want both because I don't want to miss out on games, seriously I imagine the majority of you wouldn't have a clue if you were playing on a PS4 or Xbox if it was behind a wall based on visuals alone even if the PS4 wasn't being so cruelly held back because of the inferior Xbox One.

Are you serious?

Multi-platform titles are going to be ported from PC . So if the ports aren't exactly the same as the PC (Depending upon how the resolution it was designed for) there would be no reason that any design consideration should be given to make sure that the ports to PS4 Should be exactly the same as the XB1 port.. NONE

The PS4 is faster then the XB1 and Ports to the PS4 should easier then ports to the XB1 . We already know that BF4 has been running on the PS4 at 900p so if EA releases a port of the PS4 at 720P just because that's all the XB1 can do then I should just accept it right ?
By that thinking they should dumb down the PC version as well.

The PS4 version does not always need to be better then the XB version but any company that purposely plays the parity game will not get any support from me.
You can waste your dollars as you wish
post #5994 of 15179
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Originally Posted by XboxJuan View Post

I completely disagree. XBone buyers have known from the start that they were buying the weaker console. If devs are blatantly dumbing down PS4 ports to avoid offending XBone owners, that's going to be bad for business because it's going to piss off a lot of PS4 owners.

I would be suprised if any devs are dumbing a game down, more like port to Xbox One, copy and paste.

The majority wont care or notice, only the online vocal few who like to feel superior.
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

What 'Legitimate' source has said it's a pain to develop for? It is an evolution of the 360 with Esram, any dev struggling with developing games for it isn't worth their salt.

If you want to dispute this please read up on the differences between the 360 edram and Xbox One esram before you continue, they have very different purposes in the consoles.

Also, please define what you consider a "Legitimate" source, I don't want to deal with a "lol Neogaf" or anything like that, I get enough of that on gamefaqs.
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Originally Posted by samendolaro View Post

Are you serious?

Multi-platform titles are going to be ported from PC . So if the ports aren't exactly the same as the PC (Depending upon how the resolution it was designed for) there would be no reason that any design consideration should be given to make sure that the ports to PS4 Should be exactly the same as the XB1 port.. NONE

The PS4 is faster then the XB1 and Ports to the PS4 should easier then ports to the XB1 . We already know that BF4 has been running on the PS4 at 900p so if EA releases a port of the PS4 at 720P just because that's all the XB1 can do then I should just accept it right ?
By that thinking they should dumb down the PC version as well.

The PS4 version does not always need to be better then the XB version but any company that purposely plays the parity game will not get any support from me.
You can waste your dollars as you wish

Want the definitive version? Buy a PC

Seriously get a grip guys, I just don't get this elitist attitude.

Any company isn't going to want to take sides.

Sit on the fence and release comparable ports for both consoles, the elitist few who are upset won't make any difference.

Some of you act as if the Xbox One ports will look like a pile of crap. Don't be so dramatic.
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Originally Posted by samendolaro View Post


Are you serious?

Multi-platform titles are going to be ported from PC . So if the ports aren't exactly the same as the PC (Depending upon how the resolution it was designed for) there would be no reason that any design consideration should be given to make sure that the ports to PS4 Should be exactly the same as the XB1 port.. NONE

The PS4 is faster then the XB1 and Ports to the PS4 should easier then ports to the XB1 . We already know that BF4 has been running on the PS4 at 900p so if EA releases a port of the PS4 at 720P just because that's all the XB1 can do then I should just accept it right ?
By that thinking they should dumb down the PC version as well.

The PS4 version does not always need to be better then the XB version but any company that purposely plays the parity game will not get any support from me.
You can waste your dollars as you wish

 

Agreed 

 

If I wasn't getting BF4 for $30 I would cancel my preorder. There's no way I'm paying $60 for a half assed port.

post #5998 of 15179
I can't wait until November so you girls can stop having your nerd fight.
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

If you want to dispute this please read up on the differences between the 360 edram and Xbox One esram before you continue, they have very different purposes in the consoles.

Also, please define what you consider a "Legitimate" source, I don't want to deal with a "lol Neogaf" or anything like that, I get enough of that on gamefaqs.

Tbh it's not worth my time arguing, esram isn't that different to edram for a respectable dev, and yes neogaf isn't a 'source', you all here have your opinions and justification for purchasing a PS4. You enjoy your all powerful console. I will enjoy my games when I get both machines.
post #6000 of 15179
There never has been enforced cross-platform parity in the past, so why is anyone expecting it now? It's not like devs dropped the resolution of the 360 version to match when the PS3 couldn't handle a game in 720p.
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