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post #6091 of 15276
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Maybe. But if this is the conventional wisdom:
Redmond, we have a problem.

I'm still absolutely perplexed why MS is focusing on cable TV, a format on the way out and that a whole generation of upcoming gamers could care less about. Streaming sure. But TV?

Based on what statistics? What info do u have that specifically identifies people as gamers that don't care about TV? Also it is getting to be a joke of post to keep hearing every time MS showcase or mentions a feature that is non gaming related means MS doesn't care about games. Sony has focused on the same features for the PS3 and just announced about partnerships for TV services for the PS4.


This comment you qouted and the mindset on forums like this do not reflect how consumers think because for the past 8 years all we hear is that MS doesn't care about gamers or games because they don't have the same amount of exclusives as Sony yet the 360 has sold almost twice as much than the PS3 in the US and has been the best selling console for 3 years now.


Both companies are after the same thing and MS simply did it better than Sony with the 360 for the services. At the end of the day the average consumer doesn't care or know about power increases or specs it comes down to games and features. People who argue against this continue to get proven wrong. GTA, COD and Halo not the best graphics but continue to be the most played and purchase over the Killzones and and every exclusive claiming to be the One to rule them all. I have been working for Comcast since I retired from the AF and you have no idea how many consumers I have seen with CRT analog displays with 360 cable service and no DVR hookups and this includes million dollar homes.
post #6092 of 15276
i hope the ps4 support HBOGO
post #6093 of 15276
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

Based on what statistics?

I just need to look around. It could always be different in other areas of the country, but I can tell you that here in New England live TV is going the way of the dodo. Everyone is watching TV on demand, on their portable devices. Heck, even family living rooms and TV nights are becoming a thing of the past. People are also desperate for a la cart, but we won't bet getting that anytime soon.

NPR had a good story a few months back on Gen X / Millennial and the downfall of cable TV. Cable provider executives are already making shifts, because they're having huge issues keeping the newer generations signed up. It also why they're increasingly looking to monetize their ISP offerings
post #6094 of 15276
Both of my homes have cable...
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post #6096 of 15276
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Originally Posted by t-town oil View Post

Both of my homes have cable...

The cable companies are currently making truckloads of money on television service, but with Netflix, Amazon, Microsoft, Youtube and others producing their own original content it is only a matter of time before something has to give.

How long will folks continue to spend well over $100 a month in order to legally get access to Game of Thrones and Boardwalk Empire when they can get House of Cards and Orange is the New Black less than $10 a month. What happens when Amazon, Microsoft and Netflix all have "must see" shows? Do we have to subscribe to Amazon Prime, Netflix, buy an Xbox One and shell out huge fist fulls of cash on a ridiculously expensive cable/satellite television package?

I think the Xbox One is an effort by MS to prepare for all possible contingencies. Compatibility with the existing cable system, gaming, streaming entertainment options (which require Xbox online membership) and content creation.

The real question is whether or not the Xbox One's efforts to diversify and become THE definitive living room entertainment option will come at the sacrifice of being a gaming system that is good enough while simultaneously making the non-gaming entertainment experience better.

My belief is that One size doesn't yet fit all, and that Sony has better gaming vision with it's superior graphical hardware...but the market will ultimately make that call.
post #6097 of 15276
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Originally Posted by Drlink View Post

The cable companies are currently making truckloads of money on television service, but with Netflix, Amazon, Microsoft, Youtube and others producing their own original content it is only a matter of time before something has to give.

How long will folks continue to spend well over $100 a month in order to legally get access to Game of Thrones and Boardwalk Empire when they can get House of Cards and Orange is the New Black less than $10 a month. What happens when Amazon, Microsoft and Netflix all have "must see" shows? Do we have to subscribe to Amazon Prime, Netflix, buy an Xbox One and shell out huge fist fulls of cash on a ridiculously expensive cable/satellite television package?

I think the Xbox One is an effort by MS to prepare for all possible contingencies. Compatibility with the existing cable system, gaming, streaming entertainment options (which require Xbox online membership) and content creation.

The real question is whether or not the Xbox One's efforts to diversify and become THE definitive living room entertainment option will come at the sacrifice of being a gaming system that is good enough while simultaneously making the non-gaming entertainment experience better.

My belief is that One size doesn't yet fit all, and that Sony has better gaming vision with it's superior graphical hardware...but the market will ultimately make that call.

Agreed.
post #6098 of 15276
I think the PS4 as a gaming rig first but offering TV options, just like the 360/PS3 are now, is what is needed. Someone may find value in the One as a $500 voice controlled cable addon but I sure dont. I cut the cord a few months ago and do not miss the extra $90 going out for commercials, reruns, and a complete lack of content I care about.

I understand Microsoft has a vision of a unified living room around their box but that is not my vision. Having an ecosystem of consoles, portable, and mobile apps that brings all my gaming content together and allows others in my household to share in all of it is my vision. It just happens that Sony has such a system and while not perfect is really good.
post #6099 of 15276
I think I agree with mboojigga more then the rest of you. I think the "cutting the cord" movement is way overblown. I just think this gets magnified on sites like this. Of all the people I know in real life, ie not faceless names on a forum, only 1 family doesn't have cable and they don't have cable because they believe TV is bad, not because they "cut the cord." Sports are huge in my area, especially this time of year and until there is a way to continue to get live sports without a cable/satellite subscription, then people are not giving up there "cord".

I love it when folks on AVS continue to talk about the "well over $100" bills. My DirecTV bill is $80, my parents' DirecTV bill is less then mine, my sister's Uverse bill is around $80 as well, and my grandparent's cable bill is less then all of ours. I know some people have bills north of $100, but it is not that hard to get it below $100 if you don't need all those extra premium services. I have no problem paying my bill because I enjoy watching TV so much.

You know what annoys me more then paying my DirecTV bill, the lack of quality movies on Netflix or Amazon Prime. Yes, they have some of the really popular ones but, I own those on BD. They never seem to have a movie I want to watch and don't own. Last night I was in the mood to watch "Children of Men", searched both services and it is not there. It was on Amazon, but not a prime movie, you had to pay. I'm starting to wonder why I continue to pay for these services when the movies I really want to watch are not part of the service.
post #6100 of 15276
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Originally Posted by lordxar5 View Post

I understand Microsoft has a vision of a unified living room around their box but that is not my vision. Having an ecosystem of consoles, portable, and mobile apps that brings all my gaming content together and allows others in my household to share in all of it is my vision. It just happens that Sony has such a system and while not perfect is really good.

Yep. I also seriously question whether the tech is really there for the One to accurately, precisely and consistently control a cable box through HDMI (ummm), IR blaster (ick) or voice command (double ick).
post #6101 of 15276
I think a lot of it is a demographic thing. I know a lot of cord cutters (including myself). The people I know that still have cable have 40+ year olds in the house or are big sports fans. All the younger couples that aren't into sports don't have cable. The one thing I've never seen though, is someone who jumped back on cable after cutting.

I'd say there's a pretty heavy overlap between cord cutters and the console target market, and the trend is only going in one direction.
post #6102 of 15276
Its hit or miss on people I know with/without cable/satellite. I would say its a good 33/33/33 split between haves, have nots, and don't cares. I know several who flat out just watch OTA and that's it, parents, ahem older people.

I can really only speak for myself but its been a decade since I've followed any kind of sport so there is an instant meh, don't care for me. That said, if the wife's family stops by and wants to catch up on the race or game their sol. So I fully understand the need others have to keep cable.

For me its $90 saved because our new car payments came along and something had to give. Its actually been a great change for us. We've gotten more focused on old shows we never got around to vs idling by watching some reality crap just to have the TV on.
post #6103 of 15276
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

I love it when folks on AVS continue to talk about the "well over $100" bills.

Is it not the case that after HD fees, DVR and other hardware rental costs, taxes, additional fees, channel package and premium channel add-on costs (eg Game of Thrones) that we are now well above a regular consumer cost $100 a month for television service alone?

I am, admittedly, making some basic assumptions that HD service and having at least one DVR would be considered the norm if one was going to go the premium channel route.
post #6104 of 15276
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Originally Posted by Drlink View Post

Is it not the case that after HD fees, DVR and other hardware rental costs, taxes, additional fees, channel package and premium channel add-on costs (eg Game of Thrones) that we are now well above a regular consumer cost $100 a month for television service alone?

I am, admittedly, making some basic assumptions that HD service and having at least one DVR would be considered the norm if one was going to go the premium channel route.


I would bet that bill includes internet. Lot of people, like me, have 2 options. Slow DSL or cable. Some don't even have the DSL option. Or satellite but if you play games, you aren't using satellite internet.
post #6105 of 15276
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Originally Posted by Drlink View Post

Is it not the case that after HD fees, DVR and other hardware rental costs, taxes, additional fees, channel package and premium channel add-on costs (eg Game of Thrones) that we are now well above a regular consumer cost $100 a month for television service alone?

I am, admittedly, making some basic assumptions that HD service and having at least one DVR would be considered the norm if one was going to go the premium channel route.

It's hard to say what the average bill is because everything is so bundled up with Internet and phone service nowadays. Then you've got the limited time teaser rates further confusing it.

The standard, non-teaser rate for adding a single HD DVR w/ no premium channels over my internet only package is like $60-80 after all the taxes and fees
post #6106 of 15276
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Originally Posted by Drlink View Post

Yep. I also seriously question whether the tech is really there for the One to accurately, precisely and consistently control a cable box through HDMI (ummm), IR blaster (ick) or voice command (double ick).

They been showing plenty of information and videos for what is new with Kinect 2.0 vs 1.0 and IR blasters are not new. The Xbox One basically works like a Harmony remote.
post #6107 of 15276
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I think a lot of it is a demographic thing. I know a lot of cord cutters (including myself). The people I know that still have cable have 40+ year olds in the house or are big sports fans. All the younger couples that aren't into sports don't have cable. The one thing I've never seen though, is someone who jumped back on cable after cutting.

I'd say there's a pretty heavy overlap between cord cutters and the console target market, and the trend is only going in one direction.

In my job that is what I see is previously cord cutters coming back and going with package deals because some see Netflix isn't enough and they want internet and go with the package deal. They see they have On Demand for their service and some either keep Netflix/Hulu or go back to the service because Comcast now offers those shows On demand in the living room and outside the home. A lot of customers I have ran into come back because Monday Night Football is on ESPN along with the wife and kids wanting to see live TV.
post #6108 of 15276
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

In my job that is what I see is previously cord cutters coming back and going with package deals because some see Netflix isn't enough and they want internet and go with the package deal. They see they have On Demand for their service and some either keep Netflix/Hulu or go back to the service because Comcast now offers those shows On demand in the living room and outside the home.

Do you work for a cable company?
post #6109 of 15276
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Do you work for a cable company?

Been at Comcast now for a couple of months since retiring from the Air Force. Just posted in the Xbox One thread about running into a customer for a trouble call who is 64 year old wife married 39 years and is the gamer in the house.
post #6110 of 15276
Congrats on the retirement! I hope to be there in a couple years.
post #6111 of 15276
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Originally Posted by jasonstiller View Post

Congrats on the retirement! I hope to be there in a couple years.

Thanks still got to keep myself moving.
post #6112 of 15276
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I think a lot of it is a demographic thing. I know a lot of cord cutters (including myself). The people I know that still have cable have 40+ year olds in the house or are big sports fans. All the younger couples that aren't into sports don't have cable. The one thing I've never seen though, is someone who jumped back on cable after cutting.

I'd say there's a pretty heavy overlap between cord cutters and the console target market, and the trend is only going in one direction.

Yeah you really can't argue digital games are the future out one side of the mouth, then that cable TV is here for the long haul out the other. It's two sides of the same coin; direct digital content delivery.

Sport are the biggest problem for sure, but those of us under 40 we usually get together at sports bars/restaurants for sports nights for really big games not on network TV, or just watch them when they are on network TV.

Plus it's not like the sport leagues don't see where technology is heading. Just look at NFL Sunday Ticket or MLB.TV. The problem right now is old folks still using cable as their primary providers, and the need to not alienate them just yet (similar to the digital/retail issues). As traditional providers keep losing more and more market share, it'll be easier for the leagues to directly provide services and better al la cart packages without contract blackouts.

Middlemen everywhere in IP content delivery are under siege.
post #6113 of 15276
I just pay for internet from Comcast which is around $50 a month. I stream Netflix (plenty of shows for the kids) and I rent from Redbox. On occasion I pay for a movie from Amazon streaming as well. I do get a few local channels and they usually have some HD, that's living in the silicon valley so not sure how it compares to other places.
post #6114 of 15276
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

In my job that is what I see is previously cord cutters coming back and going with package deals because some see Netflix isn't enough and they want internet and go with the package deal. They see they have On Demand for their service and some either keep Netflix/Hulu or go back to the service because Comcast now offers those shows On demand in the living room and outside the home. A lot of customers I have ran into come back because Monday Night Football is on ESPN along with the wife and kids wanting to see live TV.

Well not too surprising you get calls from ex-cord cutters. Not like anyone is calling Comcast up to tell them how much money they're saving not paying for cable. tongue.gif
post #6115 of 15276
i cut cable two years ago and have no intention of ever going back..
post #6116 of 15276
I'd like to see the "cable cutters" switch from cable internet back to DSL or dial-up.

They still love cable.
post #6117 of 15276
I can't think of a way to say it that's not going to be offensive to someone. But your cable customers live in the bible belt. I don't expect them to be at the forefront of any grass roots change of any part of our culture.
post #6118 of 15276
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Originally Posted by Yrd View Post

I can't think of a way to say it that's not going to be offensive to someone. But your cable customers live in the bible belt. I don't expect them to be at the forefront of any grass roots change of any part of our culture.

Cable customers all over, not just the bible belt. I know plenty in the silicon valley who spend $00-200 a month on cable.
post #6119 of 15276
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Originally Posted by defdog99 View Post

I'd like to see the "cable cutters" switch from cable internet back to DSL or dial-up.

They still love cable.

The minuet I have a fiber option, I'm gone and never looking back. Google needs to hurry up!
post #6120 of 15276
I lived without cable for about two years and finally went back because I missed sports too much. After a year or so Netflix was severely lacking without any new content and Hulu helped but is still no where as effortless as setting timers on your DVR and firing it up. It has come a long way though being available on Smart TVs and almost every device that has a screen or can be hooked up to one. I got Dish back in 2012 when the Hopper came out and I don't see giving it up anytime soon. My bill also isn't above $100, it was in the $80s but I just got more discounts to stay. I also have TWC for Internet, 20/2 for $34.99/month.
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