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post #7261 of 15246
No DLNA;
No MP3s;
No CDs;

No thanks Sony.

I was gonna buy this, now just decided to build a better htpc that will be a gaming machine. I'm fed up with this oppression smile.gif
post #7262 of 15246
No remote control either?!?

$!?@ u sony!!!!
post #7263 of 15246
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

That's pretty jacked up if you can't play MP3's or other audio files transferred to the PS4 in an attempt to get the consumers to subscribe to their service.

 

Yeah, that's super lame.  I'm not too bothered because I never really did any of that media stuff on my PS3 to begin with other than play blu-rays, but the fact that you can use Sony's services but not your own media is kind of an insult.

post #7264 of 15246
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Originally Posted by Superman2 View Post

No remote control either?!?

$!?@ u sony!!!!

Pre-order cancelled.

post #7265 of 15246
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Yeah, that's super lame.  I'm not too bothered because I never really did any of that media stuff on my PS3 to begin with other than play blu-rays, but the fact that you can use Sony's services but not your own media is kind of an insult.

I used to use my PS3 for music in the first couple of years but now I hook up my iphone to receiver whenever I listen to music. So I'm personally fine without it but a mad move in terms of talking points.
post #7266 of 15246
sorry for you guys who need the music. For me I don't care, bring on the games!
post #7267 of 15246
Have they said anything about SACD?
post #7268 of 15246
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

Have they said anything about SACD?



close?
post #7269 of 15246
Do we know will happen for games if we set ps4 output to 720p? Will games be rendered at a Lower resolution (potentially leading to better frame rates) or will they be rendered at 1080p or 900p in BF4's case and just scaled down to 720p at the output stage?

Would the scaling down from 1080p to 720 look better than a game rendered at 720p?
post #7270 of 15246
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Originally Posted by Zookster View Post

As a next gen console, no one expected Sony to take such a huge step backward in terms of basic media support features. I'm sure a lot of people like me simply took for granted it would do what the PS3 did and then some.

Every entertainment device in my house that has a USB/SD card slot can play media from it. Every device in my house that has a disc drive can play CDs. Every media device in my house that connects to the internet/router can stream media either from PC or cloud server, though that's not the primary reason I bought it. Why can't the biggest and bestest thing in next-gen gaming consoles do it?

PS3 was advertised as "It does everything"
So, we all made assumption about features that have not been shown or advertised. At least I was right about ear buds/ headsets jacking into the DS4.
post #7271 of 15246
time to build a HTPC
post #7272 of 15246
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Originally Posted by Mud76 View Post

Righto, I see. Doesn't really make the situation any better.

Every iteration of the PlayStation has been a doorway for new tech and features, on paper the PS4 seems to have locked a LOT of that down.

PS1 - CD
PS2 - CD / DVD
PS3 - CD / DVD / BD / 3D / Mass Storage /MP3 / MP4 / AVI / DLNA / Dual DTV tuner-recorder
PS4 - DVD / BD / 4K

most of these missing features, if not all could be unlocked by software updates, so I'll live in hope.

They've confirmed no 3D??
post #7273 of 15246
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

Do we know will happen for games if we set ps4 output to 720p? Will games be rendered at a Lower resolution (potentially leading to better frame rates) or will they be rendered at 1080p or 900p in BF4's case and just scaled down to 720p at the output stage?

Would the scaling down from 1080p to 720 look better than a game rendered at 720p?

Yes supersampling is better than rendering at native, it is like super Antialiasing


And the 3D, they support it, just that there hasn't been any games announced have 3D support. It's a pity I'd love resogun to be in 3D

http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/30/sony-answers-160-questions-about-the-ps4/
post #7274 of 15246
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

Have they said anything about SACD?

I doubt they'll support SACD, consider all the later models of the PS3 drop SACD support ( just not worth the licensing fees i guess). Though this is one of those things I would love them to support via buy in extensions.

Yes I still have a fully working SACD playing launch PS3, which I am keeping smile.gif
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post #7276 of 15246
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

Do we know will happen for games if we set ps4 output to 720p? Will games be rendered at a Lower resolution (potentially leading to better frame rates) or will they be rendered at 1080p or 900p in BF4's case and just scaled down to 720p at the output stage?

Would the scaling down from 1080p to 720 look better than a game rendered at 720p?

Depends on the game most likely, but yeah downscaling from 1080p to 720p is essentially 720p with 2x supersampling.

That 3rd pic I posted of mw2 in the other thread has 4x sparse grid supersampling, so essentially it's downscaled from 4K to 1080p...it makes a big diff. When I get home I can throw together another screenshot that simulates what 1080p downsampled to 720p would look like, but it would be even more so a case of "you have to see it in motion" - super sampling reduces motion artifacts considerably.
post #7277 of 15246

Yea looks like a perfect fit...
post #7278 of 15246
the no DLNA thing is really really stupid and i hope gets fixed with an update at some point. For a long time i didnt use my PS3 for anything besides streaming from PS3 Media server or Plex. mostly because it was quieter than the Xbox. Lots of others did as well

Ive sence started using a DLAN server off one of my PCs and controlling it with an ap on my phone, Works well for music, never tried it for video. guess ill have to look into that
post #7279 of 15246
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

FAQ says 9.5mm, but that German teardown/testing a few weeks back said it easily fit 12.1mm. Guess were back to questioning.

frown.gif

I wanted to do the HDD upgrade right off the bat, but the pickings are pretty slim in the 9.5mm range. The HGST listed a few posts back is probably a perfect match size wise (in fact I think the OEM HDD is HGST according to the teardown), but outside of the capacity increase there are no additional performance benefits (no cache listed of any kind). There are also some reports on that drive about heat problems...I'll stick with the stock 500GB for now and wait for some early adopters to be guinea pigs with hybrid or SSD upgrades.
post #7280 of 15246
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Originally Posted by zBuff View Post

Yes supersampling is better than rendering at native, it is like super Antialiasing


And the 3D, they support it, just that there hasn't been any games announced have 3D support. It's a pity I'd love resogun to be in 3D

http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/30/sony-answers-160-questions-about-the-ps4/

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? No 3D launch titles? Thats a huge step backwards. The last few COD titles have been 3D.
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post #7282 of 15246
First, to you Sony... no more bad news today, okay.

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Originally Posted by zBuff View Post

And the 3D, they support it, just that there hasn't been any games announced have 3D support. It's a pity I'd love resogun to be in 3D

That answer about no games that support 3D at launch is confusing because both AC4 and COD: Ghost list 3D as a feature on the PSN Store website. So, which is right, the website or the FAQ?
post #7283 of 15246
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Originally Posted by Tom Grooms View Post

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? No 3D launch titles? Thats a huge step backwards. The last few COD titles have been 3D.

Yep. It's a profound disappointment to me, another reason I'm down on both consoles as of late. And I'm sure the PS4 could handle ghosts in 3D at 720p/60 without breaking a sweat....but the previous gen has done so much damage to the idea of 3D gaming that it'll probably be years before we see it come back in force.

There is one 3D title though - Trine 2. Looks pretty fantastic in 3D IMO, but only if they're maintaining 60fps....jury's still out on that.
post #7284 of 15246
It's funny, up here in Canada, now that they've announced the specs you can't find any 9.5mm drives bigger than 1TB in stock at any of the regular stores haha. I might join you and waiting it out. I guess it means if I upgrade the HDD later then I have to redownload all my games again from PSN, so not looking forward to that.
post #7285 of 15246
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

First, to you Sony... no more bad news today, okay.
That answer about no games that support 3D at launch is confusing because both AC4 and COD: Ghost list 3D as a feature on the PSN Store website. So, which is right, the website or the FAQ?

I hope that's true! I really wanna play ghosts in 3D. Blops 2 in 3D was awesome.
post #7286 of 15246
Ok, I lied...gonna take one for the team with this SSHD:

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Solid-Hybrid-2-5-Inch-ST1000LM014/dp/B00B99JUBQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1383226207&sr=1-1&keywords=seagate+1tb+2.5+hard+drive

Double stock capacity, still only 5400 rpm but 64MB flash cache and a reputable name (although I still feel WDs are the most reliable). I'll see if I can do some comparison tests to the stock, as long as I can offload my game saves to cloud or USB at launch smile.gif
post #7287 of 15246
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

If it means my game machine does its job as a game machine flawlessly on launch, so be it. Writing and supporting a band new OS from the ground up can't be a small task, especially since they couldn't port the XMB over.

I do expect long term support and more features too. But for now, worry about doing launch right, rather than doing a thousand things and getting them half right IMO.

Sonys added a heck of a lot of extra compatibility, support, and value to the PS3. I wouldn't go crazy just yet, specially since they've already shown they are more in touch with what their fans and partners are asking of them this go around. Raise hell to make sure they do feel the pressure and follow through, but it's not the end of the world for me yet.

You bring up a good point. The PS3 and 360 evolved way beyond what I think anyone expected back when they launched. As the machines are designed for the future I have no doubt a lot of these concerns will be addressed at some point. It's still a bit disappointing though that we're getting a regressed overall experience at launch.
post #7288 of 15246
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Originally Posted by slyderulz View Post

Ok, I lied...gonna take one for the team with this SSHD:

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Solid-Hybrid-2-5-Inch-ST1000LM014/dp/B00B99JUBQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1383226207&sr=1-1&keywords=seagate+1tb+2.5+hard+drive

Double stock capacity, still only 5400 rpm but 64MB flash cache and a reputable name (although I still feel WDs are the most reliable). I'll see if I can do some comparison tests to the stock, as long as I can offload my game saves to cloud or USB at launch smile.gif

64mb flash cache isn't a hybrid, it's just a regular ol hard drive.
post #7289 of 15246
I would like to have a larger hard drive in before starting it up but I am still debating on what to choose. I want to wait but with 2 digital games on day one and my lazy ass ordering more eventually I would rather just download it all now instead of doing it all over again. Will a 7200 RPM be to noisy? I think thats where I am leaning towards where the hybrid is my 2nd choice.
post #7290 of 15246
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

64mb flash cache isn't a hybrid, it's just a regular ol hard drive.

Hmmm, it's marketed as such an amazon (as well as the Manufacturer's Description from Seagate)...what's the distinction between a hard drive that uses flash cache and a 'true' SSHD (solid state hybrid drive)???

EDIT: from Wikipedia:

Solid-state hybrid drive (SSHD) refers to products that incorporate NAND flash memory into a hard drive, resulting in a single, integrated device. SSHD is a more precise term than the more general term hybrid drive, which has previously been used to describe SSHD devices and non-integrated combinations of solid-state drives (SSD) and hard disk drives (HDD).

The fundamental design principle behind SSHDs is to identify data elements that are most directly associated with performance (frequently accessed data, boot data, etc.) and store these data elements in the NAND flash memory. This has been shown to be effective in delivering significantly improved performance over the standard HDD.

This is the exact technology this drive employs...you lost me BD frown.gif ???
Edited by slyderulz - 10/31/13 at 8:04am
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