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post #31 of 61
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

I would love to do the same thing. If there was someway to stream HGTV, I would do it today. HGTV is my wife's favorite station.



Anyone know how?



m
I had a similar problem, but my wife allowed me to cut the cord anyway. About three months ago I discovered this website:
http://www.hgtv.com/full-episodes/package/index.html

I hooked up the computer to the main tv (luckily my graphics card had both an HDMI and a DVI output). My logitech wireless mouse works 35' away (though the specs say only up to 33') . Because I got the Logitech "Unifying" receiver, I bought a 2nd mouse that stays in the living room, so she doesn't have to go find the one on the computer and use it.

She couldn't be happier, but remember she went two years without HGTV, so getting it back was exciting, but I don't know how the experience will be from having it to using the computer to stream shows.
post #32 of 61
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

I had a similar problem, but my wife allowed me to cut the cord anyway. About three months ago I discovered this website:
http://www.hgtv.com/full-episodes/package/index.html

I hooked up the computer to the main tv (luckily my graphics card had both an HDMI and a DVI output). My logitech wireless mouse works 35' away (though the specs say only up to 33') . Because I got the Logitech "Unifying" receiver, I bought a 2nd mouse that stays in the living room, so she doesn't have to go find the one on the computer and use it.

She couldn't be happier, but remember she went two years without HGTV, so getting it back was exciting, but I don't know how the experience will be from having it to using the computer to stream shows.

Excellent.

I thank you for the info. This, I will be setting up.

Once again, thanks
post #33 of 61
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

Are you able to input hyphens instead?

I've got a nice home server now and I'm about to cut both netflix and cable in favor of internet, XBMC on my HTPC, and Pirate Bay. biggrin.gif

My brother-in-law has a sick ballz setup where every TV show and/or movie he and my sister watch is automatically downloaded in 1080p format and organized on his XBMC for the home network. He gets current shows within 24 hours of airing. They don't pay for cable or Netflix.

No, hyphens do not work. I will be talking to Harmony once again trying to find someone who understands what I am trying to do. I have talked to two customer service reps and they do not seem to understand what I am talking about.
post #34 of 61
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post


I've got a nice home server now and I'm about to cut both netflix and cable in favor of internet, XBMC on my HTPC, and Pirate Bay. biggrin.gif

My brother-in-law has a sick ballz setup where every TV show and/or movie he and my sister watch is automatically downloaded in 1080p format and organized on his XBMC for the home network. He gets current shows within 24 hours of airing. They don't pay for cable or Netflix.
Guess you mean "Sick Beard" setup? biggrin.gif
post #35 of 61
I can't consider cutting the cord yet. I'm a huge media addict, and coming home from a hard day's work I take solace in the fact that I have so many options to choose from when I finally get to relax my brain.

I can plop down on the couch and::

choose from 100+ cable TV channels of all types
Select from at least 10 different sports if I'm in the mood to watch that
Check out a movie currently showing on HBO, Showtime, Starz, or Encore
Order a movie that's on demand from the channels above, and some others like Disney (There's even a free movies category that usually has some watchable flicks)
Check out a movie or a series on Netflix

And everything costs me about $180, and that includes cable internet and phone+free long distance

It's still irreplaceable for me at the moment.
post #36 of 61
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

I would love to do the same thing. If there was someway to stream HGTV, I would do it today. HGTV is my wife's favorite station.



Anyone know how?



m

http://techcrunch.com/2013/02/28/amazon-instant-video-scores-deal-with-scripps-networks-for-hgtv-diy-food-network-travel-channel-more/

This was just announced. If you are a Prime Member, this is great news. Prime is worth the $79 a year especially if you order from Amazon because you get free 2 day shipping on top of Instant Streaming.
post #37 of 61
Antenna+Netflix+Hulu Plus = $15.98 a month which is fine with me. My Sony players also have Crackle, YouTube and some free B movie channels so that's a bonus. If I want a new release I use Amazon VOD.
post #38 of 61
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Originally Posted by BenJF3 View Post

http://techcrunch.com/2013/02/28/amazon-instant-video-scores-deal-with-scripps-networks-for-hgtv-diy-food-network-travel-channel-more/

This was just announced. If you are a Prime Member, this is great news. Prime is worth the $79 a year especially if you order from Amazon because you get free 2 day shipping on top of Instant Streaming.


WOW! That seems very promising.
post #39 of 61
Where I live (Sheridan, Wy) OTA is basically out for OTA digital. I have however connected the cable to the back of the HDTV and can get the locals in HD. I also have appleTV and have Netflix and youtube on that. I can also stream from my IPAD or IPhone to the apple box and run apps from the popular networks from cable (HGTV, DIYNetwork, ect) and have found I am satisfied. My internet and basic cable runs 61.53 per month. I do not watch any sports so I am good to go. Not sure what I will do when Charter transitions with Cablevision(Charter bought OptimumWest), hopefully I can keep what I got for the same price.
post #40 of 61
Personally, I never felt cable worth my money, but I do use Netflix. As mentioned above, HBO and the like need to dump cable-centric delivery models and find a way to survive online. It is true that data companies currently have the nation in a bit of a stranglehold but it can't last for long. The U.S. is trailing most of the world's developed nations when it comes to average internet speed and download caps, and the fact is the entire world is moving toward an internet-centric way of life. It's only a matter of time before customer demand trumps data companies' archaic ways of keeping us from higher bitstreams.
Edited by Utopianemo - 2/28/13 at 7:00pm
post #41 of 61
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

Guess you mean "Sick Beard" setup? biggrin.gif

mmmm... sickbeard!! wink.gif
post #42 of 61
Please, tell me how this works...



How can this help if there isn't a service provider? How does it work?



m

Edited by JimShaw - 3/1/13 at 4:24pm
post #43 of 61
i don't watch sports and have never had cable. i did ''share'' cable from the neighbors in the 70s when movie channels were commercial free. when they started adding commercials to cable it was WTF? why anyone pays to watch commercials is beyond me. netflix opened up a new world of watching tv for me. i ''share'' an HBO GO login so now i get that along with ''shared'' hulu plus. i also have 21 ota stations that i never watch, too many commercials. nowheretv gets me the evening news.

i'd pay for high speed internet anyway ($44/mth, 6mbps), so equating the cost of netflix plus cable doesn't compute for me. i pay $8/mth for netflix and that is all. a lot of cable companies won't sell internet without tv. i'm lucky that brighthouse does. if they go to cost per channel and it is reasonable i might add history channel and a few more but that would be it.

if they cap my service at 250gb and that is good for 95 hrs as stated, i'd be good with that. i doubt we watch that much anyway.
post #44 of 61
This is a cr-pper. Right now I have Verizon internet and TV. The base cost for both is $89.99 plus a set top box rental fee.

If I were to cancel the TV portion leaving only the Verizon Internet, my bill would drop down to $79.99.

I would only save $10.00 a month (plus the S.T.B. rental fee)

Not worth cancelling the TV.
post #45 of 61
not worth it me i use hulu service much more than netflix if anything would cut netflix out. Direct tv offers me so much more with the packages i get with hbo showtimes, lot of my shows are on there as well.
post #46 of 61
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Originally Posted by Utopianemo View Post

HBO and the like need to dump cable-centric delivery models and find a way to survive online.
No, they don't "need" to. You might want them to, but they don't need to just because you want them to.

They make far more money in the current environment than they would sending it out online - even counting in a pay model. Further, cord cutters tend to be cord cutters because they tend to want to only want to pay the minimal cost to get only the content they want. That makes them fickle. Yes, I said it: fickle. You'd be all happy to stream HBO and pay for it when Game of Thrones or other compelling shows are on, but you're not likely to stick with it when that stuff isn't there. After all, other services have that stuff and more through various means in a cheaper, all you can eat package. Why pay for HBO when the shows are in hiatus when Netflix has movies and TV shows, your Amazon prime account has movies and TV shows, Hulu has movies and TV shows...are you going to pay for all that and HBO when the content is all stuff from the archives?

On the other hand, TV subscribers tend to stick with HBO even during the slow times because it's a small fee compared to their cable bill overall. $15-$20 a month is easier to eat when you're paying $80 or more on top of that for cable. It's much easier to justify it. It's like buying a car: if you need to pay $1000 for the sport package to get the fancy aluminum wheels, it's a lot easier to eat the cost on a $30,000 car than an $18,000 one. After all, it's nothing compared to the rest of the monthly payment.

What that means is, HBO could potentially be trading steady customers for seasonal ones. Those that pay in regardless of content are what pay all the bills.

Unfortunately, until the current system completely collapses, there's no motivation at all for them to do what you want. The media companies are going to ride it out as long as they can, too - and that might be a while. Despite the number of people going online and pronouncing they've cut the cord, there are still well over 150 million people subscribing to pay TV. That amounts to around 80% of the TV viewing audience. That includes plenty of people who pretty much only watch OTA programming, can access the OTA signal, yet pay the cable company anyway.

If those folks aren't cutting the cord yet, why would the very many less savvy viewers out there go to (and pay for) a streaming model that is fundamentally different than the linear model they currently get? Right now, there are plenty of people that know "X" show is on "Channel Z" at "Y Time". Having to seek it out individually would make their brains melt.

It's all well and good for young people who have never had cable to never get it, but there are a lot of entrenched people who have always had cable and can't imagine life without it. There's more of them than there are of you right now.

One final thing to consider:

People here talk about watching this show or that via a streaming service, happy in the knowledge that they don't pay for cable. My question is: where do you think that programming comes from and how do you think it gets paid for? Hint: it isn't paid for by an $8/month Netflix service. While Netflix may be able to spread out the cost of a couple of original series among their subscribers, there's no way they'll pass that kind of cash to AMC or other networks to get those shows directly.

So, how does all that stuff get paid for if nobody wants to pay for it?
Edited by NetworkTV - 3/8/13 at 1:55pm
post #47 of 61
In addition to- in my opinion- having laughably limited content (my last go-round with netflix 6 months ago saw me NOT able to watch ELEVEN catalog titles I searched for in a ROW) the 800lb pink gorilla in the room with (cringe) "cutting the cord" is how you nearly completely amputate your ability to watch college and pro sports...especially local. My Brewers Bucks Golden Eagles and Badgers are NOT on, OTA or online 99 times out of 100.

I realize if you're not into sports this doesn't matter to you, but then you'd just be an outlier- nothing near the norm.

Those realities, along with a fantastically easy to use GUI/DVR, crap loads of other programming you cannot get anywhere else (and there's a TON), and the fact that you're paying for much of this aforementioned content if you go elsewhere (a foreign idea to a good number on this site, I realize rolleyes.gif ) make my $55 directv bill more than palatable.

Appletv and PS3/streamed content is cool for other stuff here and there, no doubt, but it's no surprise to me that the VAST majority still (and will continue) to go with cable and sat.


James
post #48 of 61
I'm considering cutting Dish Network. I have good local TV, Netflix, Amazon Prime and Vudu+ and will add Hulu+ Plan to add TIVO for DVR service for locals. Current DishNetwork bill is $125 per month. I have 45Mbs cable modem with no data caps for $100 per month.

I think I can find Dish programming I like on Broadband.
post #49 of 61
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

No, they don't "need" to. You might want them to, but they don't need to just because you want them to.

They make far more money in the current environment than they would sending it out online - even counting in a pay model. Further, cord cutters tend to be cord cutters because they tend to want to only want to pay the minimal cost to get only the content they want. That makes them fickle. Yes, I said it: fickle. You'd be all happy to stream HBO and pay for it when Game of Thrones or other compelling shows are on, but you're not likely to stick with it when that stuff isn't there. After all, other services have that stuff and more through various means in a cheaper, all you can eat package. Why pay for HBO when the shows are in hiatus when Netflix has movies and TV shows, your Amazon prime account has movies and TV shows, Hulu has movies and TV shows...are you going to pay for all that and HBO when the content is all stuff from the archives?

On the other hand, TV subscribers tend to stick with HBO even during the slow times because it's a small fee compared to their cable bill overall. $15-$20 a month is easier to eat when you're paying $80 or more on top of that for cable. It's much easier to justify it. It's like buying a car: if you need to pay $1000 for the sport package to get the fancy aluminum wheels, it's a lot easier to eat the cost on a $30,000 car than an $18,000 one. After all, it's nothing compared to the rest of the monthly payment.

What that means is, HBO could potentially be trading steady customers for seasonal ones. Those that pay in regardless of content are what pay all the bills.

Unfortunately, until the current system completely collapses, there's no motivation at all for them to do what you want. The media companies are going to ride it out as long as they can, too - and that might be a while. Despite the number of people going online and pronouncing they've cut the cord, there are still well over 150 million people subscribing to pay TV. That amounts to around 80% of the TV viewing audience. That includes plenty of people who pretty much only watch OTA programming, can access the OTA signal, yet pay the cable company anyway.

If those folks aren't cutting the cord yet, why would the very many less savvy viewers out there go to (and pay for) a streaming model that is fundamentally different than the linear model they currently get? Right now, there are plenty of people that know "X" show is on "Channel Z" at "Y Time". Having to seek it out individually would make their brains melt.

It's all well and good for young people who have never had cable to never get it, but there are a lot of entrenched people who have always had cable and can't imagine life without it. There's more of them than there are of you right now.

One final thing to consider:

People here talk about watching this show or that via a streaming service, happy in the knowledge that they don't pay for cable. My question is: where do you think that programming comes from and how do you think it gets paid for? Hint: it isn't paid for by an $8/month Netflix service. While Netflix may be able to spread out the cost of a couple of original series among their subscribers, there's no way they'll pass that kind of cash to AMC or other networks to get those shows directly.

So, how does all that stuff get paid for if nobody wants to pay for it?


Excellent.

This is nothing new to the "free lunch" crowd. Many (not ALL) are the same who have been arguing for years that music should be free because it's better for the artists and record companies because it gives them exposure and a wider audience than they would normally enjoy. Besides, everyone knows artists make all their money on touring anyway.

Go figure. rolleyes.gif

I'm (and others are) not Mr Directv/cable because I have some goofy, inexplicable lust for them, but because of the reasons I listed above...and the fact that they offer a TON of content for ~$50 a month (anyone paying much more than that is doing something very wrong, imo).

If dumping cable and sat works for you/your family, fantastic. I just always caution people to take a good, HONEST look and what they actually watch, in totality, and then look into how much of it will be found for free (if at all) from box, a, b, or c.


James
post #50 of 61
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

I'm considering cutting Dish Network. I have good local TV, Netflix, Amazon Prime and Vudu+ and will add Hulu+ Plan to add TIVO for DVR service for locals. Current DishNetwork bill is $125 per month. I have 45Mbs cable modem with no data caps for $100 per month.

I think I can find Dish programming I like on Broadband.

My god, I don't even want to know how it ends up costing $125.


James
post #51 of 61
I hate paying for TV and commercials at the same time. It is an obvious rip off and offensive to people with an IQ higher than a turnip. smile.gif
post #52 of 61
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Originally Posted by jayromy View Post

I did it. And it has worked out great for me.

I use my PS3 with an ethernet connection to watch hi-def TV and Movies via Netflix, Vudu, Hulu, and Amazon Instant. My HDTV has a built-in HD tuner, so I use my existing coax cable to get digital cable, which is free. . That takes care of a reasonable amount of professional sports and current network shows. All in all, I get this for the cost of internet, Netflix fee, and whatever I order in on-demand purchases. It's considerably less than what I was paying for cable. I love it.

How do you get free cable tv??


(FWIW, I've never had a cord - never. I've always had just regular OTA only - can't justify the price of cable as little as I watch.)
Edited by ChessieMom - 3/11/13 at 7:44am
post #53 of 61
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Originally Posted by Neobloodline3d View Post

I hate paying for TV and commercials at the same time. It is an obvious rip off and offensive to people with an IQ higher than a turnip. smile.gif

No kidding. When cable first made an appearance, the big appeal was NO ADVERTISEMENTS. It didn't take long for that to go away. The cable companies are just money-making machines, one which I have no desire to support. Sure there are some cool shows, but I'll take OTA with ads any day of the week over paying for shows that not only include ads, but also a ridiculous number of "reality" tv programs that cost very little, and hundreds of channels that I have absolutely no interest in. Seriously, there are maybe FIVE cable channels that I would consider paying for - that's it. The rest you can have.
post #54 of 61
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

I would love to do the same thing. If there was someway to stream HGTV, I would do it today. HGTV is my wife's favorite station.



Anyone know how?



m

playon.tv

It's software that you use on a pc to access all the shows that several channels (like HGTV) post on their websites. It essentially looks at each website and notes what's available. It acts as the "browser" and pushes the stream to a second device (roku, ps3, phone, etc). I have this on my media server and can stream it to any tv in my house. Streams are only is 480p, but considering I have OTA stuff in true HD, I don't have an issue with it. You can either pay the one time fee, or subscribe to a monthly plan. So far its been well worth it. We've been watching HGTV, and DIY alot.

And if you're like me and have family members that have ESPN, you can put their info into playon and have access to all espn:)

I have cancelled my cable and feel like I have everything I had before, and a little more control of what I actually watch. The only loss for me would be not getting the select football games that show up on ESPN in HD.
post #55 of 61
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post



... One final thing to consider:

People here talk about watching this show or that via a streaming service, happy in the knowledge that they don't pay for cable. My question is: where do you think that programming comes from and how do you think it gets paid for? Hint: it isn't paid for by an $8/month Netflix service. While Netflix may be able to spread out the cost of a couple of original series among their subscribers, there's no way they'll pass that kind of cash to AMC or other networks to get those shows directly.

So, how does all that stuff get paid for if nobody wants to pay for it?

It's the advertising revenue from commercial product that pay for it. That's the business model they choose from the get go. Problem is greed ran the rates through the roof and sports programmig inflated pay TV rates even further. Now there are more commercials/product placement than ever and the rates climb and climb. It's not that people aren't willing to pay for programming, it's more that they want a CHOICE in what they pay for. I don't want to pay half my bill for sports teams and programming, but some might. There needs to be more varied options for choosing programming. Cord Cutting allows that. There is currently no value in pay TV to me (or most cord cuters) any longer. I don't care about sports anymore, most of what's on is re-runs or syndicated and the rest is either garbage reality shows or infomercials. You have far too many networks in the cable universe that could easily consolidate as well. Sure, I'll miss some cable channels by dropping it, but I can still get most of that content elsewhere. Basically the only channel I lose that can't be streamed is Fox News and I can still get a bunch of the content online, just not full shows.
post #56 of 61
IS netflix SUper HD now availble from time warner costumers?
post #57 of 61
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

I'm (and others are) not Mr Directv/cable because I have some goofy, inexplicable lust for them, but because of the reasons I listed above...and the fact that they offer a TON of content for ~$50 a month (anyone paying much more than that is doing something very wrong, imo).

I assume you are ignoring mirroring fees, sports packages, people that want to get Showtime/HBO/Starz, etc (nothing "wrong" with any of that). You aren't getting all that for $50/month.
post #58 of 61
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Originally Posted by BenJF3 View Post

It's the advertising revenue from commercial product that pay for it. That's the business model they choose from the get go. Problem is greed ran the rates through the roof and sports programmig inflated pay TV rates even further. Now there are more commercials/product placement than ever and the rates climb and climb. It's not that people aren't willing to pay for programming, it's more that they want a CHOICE in what they pay for. I don't want to pay half my bill for sports teams and programming, but some might. There needs to be more varied options for choosing programming. Cord Cutting allows that. There is currently no value in pay TV to me (or most cord cuters) any longer. I don't care about sports anymore, most of what's on is re-runs or syndicated and the rest is either garbage reality shows or infomercials. You have far too many networks in the cable universe that could easily consolidate as well. Sure, I'll miss some cable channels by dropping it, but I can still get most of that content elsewhere. Basically the only channel I lose that can't be streamed is Fox News and I can still get a bunch of the content online, just not full shows.
That's all well and good in a universe where all the cable channels air only syndicated shows formerly aired on the broadcast networks. That's not true anymore. We have a lot of critically aclaimed (and viewer acclaimed) shows coming out of channels that used to settle for "Airwolf" reruns in the past.

Don't forget, we didn't used to have all that original content on those channels. This is a recent trend. Ads at the level that the cable networks get due to viewership numbers won't pay for it. The broadcast networks still get far more viewers per show in many cases (though that is starting to shift a bit, especially for premieres and finales) and that translates out to ad dollars. We're getting a lot of great shows coming out of the ranks of pay channels that we never got before that are not only good, but are less likely to be cancelled after 5 episodes like the broadcast channels often do.

People assume that just because a show is on cable that there's this magical cost savings in producing a show. Not only is that not as big a gap as people think, but it's narrowing as the OTA networks trim costs to fit shows within ad driven budgets and cable networks spend more to create increasingly more ambitious shows. The problem is, the dollars per ad is not only not increasing, but decreasing. The only place to increase the available budget is with affiliate fees from cable and satellite companies that carry the channel.

Those fees are also why a cable channel can be a bit more patient with a show. A show doesn't have to be a juggernaut right out of the gate to stay on the air when viewership isn't affecting the amount of money a show makes for the network.

The problem is, the viewership alone isn't going to pay the bills unless those fees go up dramatically for each viewer, which will drive viewership down, which will drive fees up, which will....you get the point. Right now, the solution is, I pay for networks like MTV, E! and other channels I don't watch and, in return, those viewers pay for stuff on FX, AMC and USA that I watch. It's like all the things my property taxes go to that I don't see any benefit from, like schools (I don't have children), the police (I've never had to call them), the fire department (same) and the dog catcher. The thing is, if I ever need those things, the collective whole has helped make sure those things are there. Likewise, if MTV ever shows something I might want to watch, the channel is there waiting for me.

There are many circumstances where we collectively pay into something, yet might not get full benefit from it while others get more out of the deal. Cable TV happens to be one of those models. However, unlike your property taxes, you can always choose not to opt in.
Edited by NetworkTV - 3/13/13 at 5:24am
post #59 of 61
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Originally Posted by ka[]e[] View Post

playon.tv

It's software that you use on a pc to access all the shows that several channels (like HGTV) post on their websites. It essentially looks at each website and notes what's available. It acts as the "browser" and pushes the stream to a second device (roku, ps3, phone, etc). I have this on my media server and can stream it to any tv in my house. Streams are only is 480p, but considering I have OTA stuff in true HD, I don't have an issue with it. You can either pay the one time fee, or subscribe to a monthly plan. So far its been well worth it. We've been watching HGTV, and DIY alot.

And if you're like me and have family members that have ESPN, you can put their info into playon and have access to all espn:)

I have cancelled my cable and feel like I have everything I had before, and a little more control of what I actually watch. The only loss for me would be not getting the select football games that show up on ESPN in HD.

Looks very good. Thanks
post #60 of 61
I realize that as I age I become fixated on principles. Things that other people see as unavoidable aspects of modern existence now tend to irritate me like a fishbone stuck in my throat. This whole entertainment thing is now morphing into something more. I enjoy watching movies and even a couple of T.V. shows. However, I think that I've become patient enough to not need immediate gratification. I've cut my cable down to a very basic package. I can wait for Game of Thrones to be released on Blue Ray. I may now have to wait for The Walking Dead to go to Netflix. What I am starting to see is that my cable provider will get the upper hand one way or another. As I began dropping my package level I've noticed that the price drops only for a while. It then starts to increase. I pay more and more for less and less. I see the day when Comcast only provides high speed internet but at an enormous monthly cost simply because they can. I need the internet to earn a living as does my wife. High speed internet is no longer simply a tool for entertainment. People rely on it for many aspects of life. Read this article and determine if the internet should be treated more as a public utility and thus under more regulation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/opinion/how-to-get-high-speed-internet-to-all-americans.html?_r=1&
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