$1000 for Front Stage - Page 2

It's not like he found some quote on Amazon or something and took it and ran... The whole point of this forum is for people with a common interest to provide help and create discussions. A lot of people come here for advice and use it to make an informed decision. If you don't want to listen to someones opinion then why come to a forum like this...?

You didn't say anything wrong, but you assume that everyone's opinion on speakers is somehow invalid. Well my friend, speakers are subjective....so you're ALWAYS going to have just a persons opinions. You sound like you didn't do any research and just took some guys word for it way too quickly and it backfired. That happens A TON to people, but It's nobody's fault but your own.

When did I say a $800 speaker sounds like a $4,000 speaker? Even if I did....it would be my opinion. And there would be more factors within that like budget, diminishing returns, aesthetics,...this list could go on for awhile. It's seriously not a hard concept to grasp. I highly doubt GENE said that or meant that could relate to every speaker out there. Even then...that's his opinion. I might think a $400 bookshelf sounds better than a $1400 bookshelf. So might you.

I'm not going to "prove you wrong" b/c there's nothing to prove. I provided opinions on his question and that's it. That's all it will ever be in this hobby. This is a friendly forum for people to exchange their feelings on subjective matters. I'm not going to go dig up the life story of some other guy on another forum just to prove to another random guy on here that he somehow has a valid point and we should all take it as fact lol. If you want to look at the guys review or see what he's listened to and how he's heard them, it's out there and not hard. I'm sure I could find it and post it if OP wanted. I merely put that out there as another opinion and outsiders views on this subjective hobby.
Edited by ousooner2 - 2/22/13 at 7:30am

"Based on past and more recent reviews, the e55's are more on par with the Studio's from Paradigm" You said it, now show me a professional reviewer that states this. You say speakers are subjective and we all have our opinions, except your opinion is not yours, its someone else's. You praise these speakers, and say they sound like the studios with no first hand experience. Do you give people the flip side of the coin, like they came tied for 3rd place in the 1k speaker challenge, losing to the klipsch rf62 and the axiom m60, yet they sound like the studio's. Good one!! Thats why I would trust a professional opinion over yours any day as professionals give the pros and the cons. You say its a friendly forum but you sound anthing but friendly. 1 too many redbulls?

Lol......wow.......this has to be literally one of the dumbest posts I've seen.

I said it...so you want me to show you a "professional reviewer" that states the same? Why. So you can have ANOTHER SUBJECTIVE OPINION? You're obviously having a hard time grasping that concept of HELP on a SUBJECTIVE topic. Nothing is right or wrong. Everything is stated to be of help to someone, whether they use it or not is their choice. What I like someone else likely will not.

Why is quoting someone elses opinion a big deal? You just did it in this post lol. Should I get my panties in a bunch? You're a few nuggets short of a happy meal huh? ....that's rhetorical if you couldn't understand that either

I've NEVER stated that I think they sound like Studios. Why would I...I've never heard them. Hence why I said what I did. I certainly don't praise these speakers lol. Are they good? Yes...to me. Are they good for the price I got them at....hell yes...to me. To most others they'd be pretty darn good too I'd think, especially given the BF price. Would you like them? I don't know. I really don't care either. I don't have stock in RBH/EMP. But it's sure nice for newcomers to have another option out there. Sounds like you might have needed one before you got burnt basing all your judgement on someone elses opinion of a speaker. What a poster child for this campaign

So you can look up a review and quote it and somehow "get me"? What's even more funny is that in that "professional" review....the scores obtained that you've based your statement on are from "2 trained listeners and 4 casual listeners". HAHAHAHAHAHA. You realize YOU are the exact definition of a hypocrite.



Quote from that review:

"The EMP E55ti's overall score ranked 3rd place but its scoring on midrange and dynamics were higher than every other speaker in this comparison. The Klipsch significantly reduced the EMP highs, bass and imaging rankings when the two speakers were directly compared. The EMPs highest dynamic ranking was when it was directly compared to the Axioms."

Myself and many others would GLADLY take something other than "klipsch highs and bass" any day of the week. Harsh treble and bloated midbass isn't my thing. What's even better is if you would have read any further you would have seen the comments from the reviewers...

Klipsch RF-62 Sighted Listening Comments

Very weak mids and highs are very brash. This speaker is heavily bass biased.
Excessive highs. Singer had too much lisp in her voice. Midrange was very lacking.
Voice has harsher edge than I heard on this speaker before. The bass was clean and deep.
Sound was great but a bit too bright.


Man!! WHAT GREAT HIGHS!!!!

What about this graph? And lets not forget that the e55's are the cheapest of the bunch. Over $300 cheaper than the m60's actually.



Since time was limited, I only asked each listener to offer a final overall ranking for each speaker while listening to them without the grille cloth coverings. The speakers were level matched exactly how they were done in the blind testing. One of our trained listeners was unavailable for the sighted tests which would have likely boosted the EMP and JBL ratings since he scored those highest among the four speakers during the blind tests. The results were averaged are tabulated below.

In this round of testing, the EMP E55ti's appeared to come out on top while the Klipsch RF-62's and Axiom M60v2's ratings dropped most dramatically. I believe the most significant reason for preference changes in the sighted testing had to do with restoring the tonal balance of all of the speakers once the lossy grille cover was removed. Aesthetics may have also played a factor though nobody commented on the appearance of any of the speakers in the comparison since they were sitting so far away and focused more on what they were hearing while note taking.


But wait....what about these reviews from your beloved, and what seems like the only opinion that matters to you?

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/bookshelf/emp-e56ci-e55wi/emp-intro

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/emp-tek-e55ti-first-look

http://www.audioholics.com/buying-guides/system-buying-guides/6k-home-theater-system

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/emp-tek-impression-e5tir/impression-series-listening-tests-and-conclusion (what about even the little guys!)



GTFO Troll
Edited by ousooner2 - 2/22/13 at 1:52pm

Your really not the most friendly person around here are you? Its really the dumbest thing you ever read? serious? I am a troll? and GFTO? Wow, Is this how you act in real life? Are you 18 years old?, You certainly think alot of yourself. In real life there is always 2 sides to a story, always a flip side, all speakers have pros and cons but you seem to have a problem with my opinions and would rather resort to name calling rather than discuss or debate the subject. I leave you alone and won't respond to you again as I have upset you. Now go post somemore and feed your own ego!

Your realize you entire presence in this thread has been about the difference between a normal guy's review and a professional review and how one is invalid. Then you come back and say there's 2 sides to each store and each has it's pro's and con's. That is the complete opposite of what you were whining about earlier. Please answer how one subjective opinion is better than another subjective opinion. How in the world would you get that I have a problem with your opinion when I'm the one providing opinions in the form of reviews to the OP. Your initial and entire argument has been that unless it's a professional review it's meaningless.

So yes...that is the dumbest thing I've seen here in awhile. I've been more than helpful to the OP and in every thread I post in, until someone post something stupid. You're the guy that got upset at someone trying to help someone else out. Again, sounds like you're bitter because someone didn't help you out with your decisions. We've been discussing this for awhile now and you STILL can't seem to grasp the idea. There's only so much I can do before I just have to sit back and watch you look like an idiot
Edited by ousooner2 - 2/22/13 at 1:51pm

Dude, you started off on a rampage with that first post and haven't stopped. Why don't we go back to Louquid's needs?

I would suggest just ordering the left/right pair of each of the ones you like, and do the in home demo thing. You'll eat $30 or so in shipping as a "demo fee" to return one pair, but well worth it given how much you are spending. Plus it's fun to compare two pairs of speakers in your own home

+1 fwiw,you did right on limiting your selections as it can get pretty crazy getting bombarded with 100 recommendations and their opinions. you have to take everyones opinions with a grain of salt pretty much and use them as only a guide.as room acoustics and size has a great bearing on sound as someones speakers that sound good to him in his room and surroundings will sound quite different in yours. same as listening to speakers in a store they might sound good in store but when you get them home in your surroundings youwill find that they don't sound the same as the store.both of those suggestions should sound very good as they come from very well respected speaker makers.( what i do when i look for new speakers is to research maybe three or four of some very respected speaker manufactuers and get a list of ones in my budget,then try to listen to as many as i can at my home. like it was said before there is no better speaker than the one "your" ears like and pretty much the only way to find that out is to try them out in your own home and surroundings. just my 2 cents and goodluck . do a little research have fun with this experience

That's truly one of the biggest and hardest parts about speaker shopping....is speaker A worth it over speaker B for this amount of money? Very tough call and will differ for everyone.

Sorry to clog your thread btw. Wasn't trying to make it go off topic...but ...yeah. Glad we're back on topic

Well glad you like certain things about them so far. Does Wharfedale offer a return program in case you want to try another option? It will definitely take more than just a short listening period to start picking out things you've missed (if the speaker is actually better). Best to use songs you're very familiar with and see if there is anything that sounds different (in a good or bad way). Do you have an AVR that has EQ....something like Audyssey MultEQ XT or XT32 from Denon?

Of those that believe speaker break-in has a benefit (I do), 40 to 50 hours seems to be about the maximum amount of time speakers need. Any break-in beyond that occurs so slowly that you wouldn't be able to tell. Leave 'em playing at moderate volumes while you go to work, and you'll have them broken in within a few days.

I agree with Cel. Speakers being an electro-mechanical device need time to break in. 50 hours is good and they should start to really open up. This was the case with my Wharfedale Diamond 9's when I had them.

Congrats on the Wharfedale Diamond 10's Loquid. They are really great speakers but very underated here in the USA. Most simply haven't heard them due to Wharfedales poor NA distribution network. They sell very well overseas and have gathered worldwide acclaim. I doubt you will be returning them - while I am sure many would disagree, they are top performers in their price range.

I had a full set of Diamond 9's anchored by the flagship 9.6 towers for several years before I upgraded to Viennas. I sold the 9.6 and .9CM center to a good friend who loved them - so I still get to hear them quite often. I kept the 9.2's and use them as my surrounds. They blend in well with my Vienna Acoustics front three and I really can't see parting with them. I enjoy them a lot. I agree - they are pretty big for bookshelf/stand mount speaker. Especially the depth of them. The curved cabinrts are pretty sexy too. What color did you get?

The psb b6 and aperion verus grand are VERY. Similar in sound. I had them side by side in my house and not much in difference. Definitely not an improvement one way or the other. Since I already had the b6 paid for I returned the VGb And saved close to 1000$ all said and done

^^Hey Brian...I am going to listen to the B5's and C4 this weekend. I will PM you afterwards. Have to drive ONLY 60 miles to hear them!

Cherry - Very nice Louquid. My 9.2's are cherry too. Here is a pic of mine sans grills. Yeah, post some pics of yours when you get home. Enjoy them!

Awesome lmk!!

That actually speaks pretty well for both models. If they're competently designed - and both are - then they should sound fairly alike.

The differences in price are in part due to cosmetics.

Gears....nice

Your speakers look great

Very nice speakers. Thanks for posting Louquid. I gotta admit, the Diamond series 10 look so much better than the series 9, especially the gloss black baffles. Very cool!

Congrats on the new speakers. They look very very nice, and I imagine sound even nicer.