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post #61 of 73
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Originally Posted by ElJimador View Post

Well I hope I didn't mess this up. I'd been leaning toward the build option with separate NAS and HTPC and when I saw the price of 3TB WD Reds drop to $139.99 on Amazon today I went ahead and pulled the trigger on 3 of those + the Fractal Design Node 304 case ($89.99) and the ASUS C60 M1-I mobo/CPU combo ($79.99). So I"m all in on the NAS build now, before I've even read any step by step guides on actually building it or decided on the software RAID. My biggest concern still is with the 1.0 GHz speed of the Fusion C-60 CPU. Since I won't be running Windows on it or doing any transcoding and just need it hold all my HD video to play to my TV through my blu ray player (and then through XBMC when I get the HTPC later) I don't think that should be any problem, however I just hope the read/write speeds aren't too atrocious and that it doesn't limit my RAID options too much either (for example, unRAID recommends 2.0 GHz or higher and says 1.2 GHz is the slowest speed anyone has reported having success with that). I know it will run FreeNAS but I'd prefer something a lot simpler than that. So SnapRAID maybe? If anyone wants to talk me down here and tell me I didn't just make a mistake, I'd appreciate it.

BTW, smallnetbuilder has a good review on the QNAP as HTPC and for anyone interested they said that XBMC runs flawlessly and that it's the best NAS as HTPC they've reviewed so far. So I didn't decide on the build route because I thought the QNAP couldn't cut it. It was just that the more I thought about it, the idea of separate NAS and HTPC builds that I could bring in together at around the same price point just made more sense.

With 3 hdd's you can try unraid for free. I'd be very interested in hearing how the c-60 performs with Unraid.

You should be able to overclock with that motherboard.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+C-60 C-60 beating all the Atom's in this chart.

Edit: The c-60 turbos up to 1.3Ghz, btw.
post #62 of 73
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Originally Posted by macks View Post

With 3 hdd's you can try unraid for free. I'd be very interested in hearing how the c-60 performs with Unraid.

You should be able to overclock with that motherboard.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+C-60 C-60 beating all the Atom's in this chart.

Edit: The c-60 turbos up to 1.3Ghz, btw.


Hi Macks. I posted on the unRAID forum last night and the response I've gotten so far is that I should be okay with the C-60. Someone even linked a thread for me of someone who'd build an unRAID server with this same board and although he didn't include much comment on what the performance was like I'm feeling more confident now that it should actually work (especially w/the C-60's turbo boost). So I'll let you know how it goes. I already got the board and the WD red's from Amazon today and now I'm just waiting for everything else to get here to hopefully start building by next weekend. Full parts list:

Fractal Design Node 304 mini ITX case ($89.99)
Asus C60M1-I mobo/cpu combo ($79.99)
3 x 3TB WD Red HD ($139.99 ea)
Corsair XMS3 8GB (2x4GB) 1333 MHz PC3-10666 DDR3 RAM ($49.98)
Corsair CX430 430w 80 plus bronze modular PSU ($34.99 after rebate)
Intel EXPI9301CTBLK PCIe NIC (to upgrade from the onboard Realtek) ($29.99)
SanDisk Cruzer Fit 8GB USB 2.0 flash drive (to boot unRAID) ($7.57)
4 x OKGear 10 10" SATA3 cables (because the board only came w/2 SATA cables and these are a better fit anyway) ($3.95 ea)

Basically the same that I posted earlier except with a modular PSU + a couple extras. 430W is probably way more than I need for a low power NAS but I'd read too many reviews saying you really need a modular to build with the Fractal 304 and the Corsair was the smallest FF and close to the lowest wattage modular I could find for it. And maybe I didn't really need the Intel NIC either. I've seen on unRAID's forum that v5 offers better driver support for Realtek but being a NAS I figured I wasn't going to use that expansion slot for anything else anyway so why even risk it?

Anyway, if you see anything that's missing or doesn't look right there please let me know, otherwise I'll post back later to let you know how it goes.
post #63 of 73
After I tested, 1080P mkv can be played extremely well.
I tested it with Avatar extended 1080p bluRay x264 mkv.

My model is TS-269L with two 2TB WD HDs in mirror (connect to a gigabit wireless router, it is nothing to do with network setup for this test) .
I think it is the worst performance setup, and it is still worked well.

I didn't read every post under this thread, and this is what I'm satisfied.
Very quite NAS connected online, sharing file, download BT.

The only way to secure data is to backup more frequently. That is why I have two NAS right now.

Storage space is always not enough alone with more and more media storaged.
I backup important data regularly to another NAS, and a WD external HD.
FYI
post #64 of 73
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Originally Posted by GreenThumb View Post

Please do, boo0330.

I surfed here after being away for a long while with the exact same question as the thread starter.

Thread starter and I have same opinion on backing up media as well. Once I rip something I never, ever, ever want to have to re-rip. I will have a backup of anything I rip. I've had too many disk crashes (one ever 2-3 years in my laptops that get hard usage on the road.) Life is too short. Only amateurs lose data. * (OP, what syncing software do you use? I use GoodSync and really like it.

2 other factors pushing me in the QNAP direction:

1) My very old Buffalo Terastation NAS is just about full. So I need a new NAS. I don't know exactly why I have been more interested in QNAP vs others. Maybe they just have better marketing. (I do love Assasin's focus on data-driven decisions :-). Or at least recognizing when you are NOT making a data-based decision. Yes, family have called me Ms. Ann Droid at times, well before I picked up a Galaxy Note II.)

2) The other advantage for me of using the a QNAP TS-469L that supports the active HDMI port and XBMC, etc., is that apparently QNAPs software app works with my IP cameras. Over Christmas while across the pond, I received a text message 'movement alert' at 6:30am of my house at 11:30pm, with a link showing police officers with flashlights inside. First time in 6 years the IP cameras have been needed.

I wish QNAP supported Thunderbolt, but at least they now support USB 3.0. I will not buy any storage device like that without usb 3.0.

What else... I have 10 TB of DVDs and BluRays that I want to rip and access via XBMC or similar.








*FYI - NewEgg just had a good deal on the WD 2TB My Passport $129. These are now in my Safety Deposit Box backup rotation for all work and personal data.


After I tested, 1080P mkv can be played extremely well.
I tested it with Avatar extended 1080p bluRay x264 mkv.

My model is TS-269L with two 2TB WD HDs in mirror (connect to a gigabit wireless router, it is nothing to do with network setup for this test) .
I think it is the worst performance setup, and it is still worked well.

I didn't read every post under this thread, and this is what I'm satisfied.
Very quite NAS connected online, sharing file, download BT.
The HTPC was a plus, I didn't expect that and I enjoyed it as well.


The only way to secure data is to backup more frequently. That is why I have two NAS right now.
Storage space is always not enough alone with more and more media storaged.
I backup important data regularly to another NAS, and a WD external HD.
FYI
post #65 of 73
What was the filesize of the Avatar mkv? 8GB or 24GB?
post #66 of 73
I'm new on this site but I just want to let you guys know that using a Qnap NAS for xbmc is the best investment I've done in a long time. I've used several hardware and software in the past ( like Plex, self built NAS, all kinds of other options based on upnp/dlna) but my current setup is great and works flawlessly. My current setup:

- Qnap 569l incl. 2 GB memory expansion
- 5x WD RED 3 TB in raid 6 config
- Network connection with two Lan cables configured as LACP onto Netgear managed switch
- Qnap connected to my Samsung 40D7000 using hdmi cable and optical toslink from tv to my DAC
- Control using Iphone 5 or Ipad4 with Qremote app

I've tested this setup with my ripped dvd's and camcorder mkv 1080p movies and also downloaded 1080p content and everything plays perfectly. In the beginning I had some tearing in the image but after investigating this, it was caused by loading my contents into xmbc library and I've also changed some settings in the xbmc menu (some kind of sync setting to sync refresh rate with my tv). I also turned all other services off in the Qnap menu to save CPU power.
The great thing about xbmc is that it supports really every format (in Plex I had some difficulties with certain video formats) without adding extra codecs yourself.

Best Buy in a long time!
post #67 of 73
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Originally Posted by macks View Post

Sounds like you need to look at unraid or flexraid and a cheap htpc.

Hi folks. Just wanted to report back that I bought the Intel Celeron NUC ($164.99 on Amazon) to run Openelec XBMC so in the end I wound up following the advice Macks gave from the very first reply to this thread. So far I couldn't be happier. The C-60 based server I built is working just fine as an unRAID server and the NUC runs all my 1080p MKV blu ray rips smoothly and with HD audio. Total cost of both together: around $500, or almost $400 less than the equivalent 6-bay QNAP would have cost me (not counting the hard drives of course). All without sacrificing any of the quality, form factor, low power draw, and quiet running footprint that attracted me to the QNAP in the first place.

So I'm happy to hear from people who got the QNAP that it's working well as an HTPC for them but I'm even happier with the direction I decided to go for myself. Thanks to the more experienced posters here (especially Macks) for their guidance along the way.
post #68 of 73
Sorry to dig this thread up - it's been a while since I played in the HTPC space, and was looking at the new QNAP X69L boxes. For those with HTPCs, do you leave it running all the time? If not, do you have it boot up to XBMC and is it fast? In the old days of HTPC, you had to wait for the OS to boot and then your media software...is that all different now?
post #69 of 73
I did this exact setup.

QNAP - TS-469L with 4 x 3TB drives in RAID 5, giving me 8 TB of available storage. $1,200
Harmony remote 500 series, very old, but works using RC6 settings.
HDMI switch with IR receiver (any china made off ebay will do) $30
HDMI splitter 1x8 port from Amazon $100
IR sensor from a DELL MCE machine. Make sure your IR sensor is compatible with MCE and RC6. $40

It is a dream, because also handles all my PC backups including Apple Timemachine and has create picture and music features. Never had a media PC before, but full integration into my actual living room via Universal Remote and HDMI switch, makes this a game changer. I also heard they have Plex available for it now as well, but I am setup with XBMC and like that so far.
post #70 of 73
When I switch over to my QNAP/XBMC it usually takes about 3 seconds to come out of sleep or pause, not sure exactly. I use an HDMI switch, not TV inputs, to transition over to the QNAP. So, the QNAP is on all day and night running under XBMC as the primary app for the HDMI output. It must have some kind of sleep mode because it will take a moment to popup on first use. Nothing bad, just not instantaneous. After that, I can switch between Tivo and QNAP very quickly. Heat is not an issue since the QNAP obviously is not processing anything during down time. Still running strong since I bought it back in Jan 2013.

I had upgrade my memory to 3GB and am running Eden on XBMC. 722 movies available with 4 TB of remaining space available.
post #71 of 73
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Originally Posted by Arisha Nasir View Post

When I switch over to my QNAP/XBMC it usually takes about 3 seconds to come out of sleep or pause, not sure exactly. I use an HDMI switch, not TV inputs, to transition over to the QNAP. So, the QNAP is on all day and night running under XBMC as the primary app for the HDMI output. It must have some kind of sleep mode because it will take a moment to popup on first use. Nothing bad, just not instantaneous. After that, I can switch between Tivo and QNAP very quickly. Heat is not an issue since the QNAP obviously is not processing anything during down time. Still running strong since I bought it back in Jan 2013.

I had upgrade my memory to 3GB and am running Eden on XBMC. 722 movies available with 4 TB of remaining space available.
Have you played back any 1080p material? Do you see any tearing? What about 3D?
post #72 of 73
I'm getting tearing with the QNAP TS-269L with lots of content in XBMC. MKV seems particularly bad. QNAP forums weren't much help except to say that it's Intel's fault for not updating their video drivers. An earlier poster here suggested that some tweaking helped, but I think I need more details.

Can those who have been able to fix such issues post what specifically worked for them?

Thanks,
Tom
post #73 of 73
Hello, has anyone solved the above issue? I have the same problem, i've tried everything and the problem still exists. Enabling options “Setting” > “Video” > “Playback”, and then enable "Adjust display refresh rate to match video" and "Sync playback to display" help a little but tearing video on the top still is visible. TV is Sony Hx850 and video playback works great form a PC and 24hz refresh rate, problem is when using QNAP 269L (3GB RAM) and XBMC. I think that the problem is that XBMC imposes refresh rate that isnt really 24hz and thats why tearing in about 1min gap appears. With disabled refresh rate and sync video isnt watchable at all - video 23.976fps vs 60fps (60hz) on xbmc - tearing of video is the worst. Not mentioning that the video brightness from XBMC is far wors than from any PC and (core avc codecs). I'm sadly dissapointed that there isnt any option to change refresh rate on XBMC at QNAP in system properties I think it would fix the problem.
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