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post #61 of 93
3/2/13 at 6:06pm
How bout Sony sxrd with green blob

Their xbr1 and 2 may also be the most expensive displays to be turds.

Nice set when it worked properly
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post #62 of 93
3/2/13 at 9:28pm
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I am well aware of retail environment issues. I work in one which allows me to control the room lighting. The l5200 is hands down a higher quality panel. But the l7200 in a dark room is a dog. The zone dimming in it is not precise at all and causes vertical bands in the image. The panel itself can't create a very good native contrast and then you mix in the dimming and you get terrible shadow detail. This isn't my first rodeo here. I've been selling TVs at a specialty retailer for 12 years. Trust me when I say its a bad tv. The l5200 is a solid tv and a good value.

I'm not discounting your knowledge and awareness, I'm just saying that you're the only person I've heard who's thrown this one under the bus to this extent. And based off of the solid performance the L5200, I just find it a bit hard to believe that L7200 could legitimately be the worst FP you've seen lately.

Here's another review which directly contradicts what Katzmeier said:
http://hdguru.com/review-toshiba-47l7200-3d-led-lcd-hdtv/8670/

Regardless, isn't this type of discussion exactly what AVS is all about?

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post #63 of 93
3/2/13 at 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by Artwood View Post

In my whole life I have never had a plasma burn in on me.

Why does that happen to other people?

How dumb do you have to be to have that happen to you?
Dumb enough to buy a Plasma and try to watch TV normally? tongue.gif
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post #64 of 93
3/3/13 at 8:52am
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Originally Posted by toby1015 View Post

Being that I sell tv's, I get to analyze the picture on many different brands and models. This years, the biggest turd I've seen is the Toshiba cinema series 55l7200. At $2000 it had a horrible picture. color accuracy was abismal, picture uniformity was a disaster, and dispite zone dimming it had just the worst black levels and contrast. After all that ranting the worst thing it has is shadow detail. Don't even try and watch a dark movie on this thing you wont be able to see anything. No amount of picture tweeking can make this thing loog good.

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Funny, of what I've read on the L7200 said that it was a very respectable FP and very capable in terms of performance. Haven't seen the L7200 myself, but I have seen it's step down L5200 is a respectable FP in it's own right as well given it's reasonable price tag

Making an assessment in a retail environment isn't the most accurate way to determine thinks like black levels, contrast ratio, etc. That was just noted above.

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I am well aware of retail environment issues. I work in one which allows me to control the room lighting. The l5200 is hands down a higher quality panel. But the l7200 in a dark room is a dog. The zone dimming in it is not precise at all and causes vertical bands in the image. The panel itself can't create a very good native contrast and then you mix in the dimming and you get terrible shadow detail. This isn't my first rodeo here. I've been selling TVs at a specialty retailer for 12 years. Trust me when I say its a bad tv. The l5200 is a solid tv and a good value.

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I'm not discounting your knowledge and awareness, I'm just saying that you're the only person I've heard who's thrown this one under the bus to this extent. And based off of the solid performance the L5200, I just find it a bit hard to believe that L7200 could legitimately be the worst FP you've seen lately.

Here's another review which directly contradicts what Katzmeier said:
http://hdguru.com/review-toshiba-47l7200-3d-led-lcd-hdtv/8670/

Regardless, isn't this type of discussion exactly what AVS is all about?

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I've always liked Toshiba products, but the picture quality on their TV's is either above or below average depending on the model and rarely has anything to do with price. This inconsistency has always baffled me, but wouldn't preclude me from buying one (I have a 32 incher which is great) as long as I know which ones to avoid.

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Dumb enough to buy a Plasma and try to watch TV normally? tongue.gif

Funny, I have a plasma and I watch sports and letter box movies and IR hasn't been an issue for me. But then again, I don't do gaming.


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post #65 of 93
3/3/13 at 4:36pm
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But then again, I don't do gaming.


Ian

I do a ton of gaming Ian, from sports games to FPS, both with constant static image and I've never experienced any problems with IR, like at all and I game on my PZ950.
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post #66 of 93
3/3/13 at 8:36pm
Actually I'm not the only one. Cnet gave the toshiba l7200 a generous 5 in performance. Further more the hdguru review wasn't exactly a good review. Not much else to go on after that because there wasn't too many stores that even displayed it. Like you said, you haven't seen it. Enough said.
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post #67 of 93
3/3/13 at 9:25pm
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Actually I'm not the only one. Cnet gave the toshiba l7200 a generous 5 in performance. Further more the hdguru review wasn't exactly a good review. Not much else to go on after that because there wasn't too many stores that even displayed it. Like you said, you haven't seen it. Enough said.

Wasn't exactly a good review? How so? The person who wrote it, Geoff Morrison, also writes for CNET. Is he less credible because he disagrees with your assessment?
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post #68 of 93
3/3/13 at 11:30pm
I'm well aware of who geofrey morrison is as well. What I'm saying is he didn't necessarily give it a ringing endorsement. And he does reviews for sound and vision. He used to write reviews for hometheater mag as matter of fact he's responded to letters I wrote in that publication. Its a **** tv especially at two grand quit arguing that. Dave Kazmier had nothing positive to say about its picture and he's right! He reviewed the 55" and my store only carried the 55".
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post #69 of 93
3/3/13 at 11:36pm
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I'm well aware of who geofrey morrison is as well. What I'm saying is he didn't necessarily give it a ringing endorsement. And he does reviews for sound and vision. He used to write reviews for hometheater mag as matter of fact he's responded to letters I wrote in that publication. Its a **** tv especially at two grand quit arguing that. Dave Kazmier had nothing positive to say about its picture and he's right! He reviewed the 55" and my store only carried the 55".

He also does reviews for hdguru. Which if you would know if you read the review from the link I posted.

And I don't believe I ever said that he gave it a ringing a review. My original post was only intended to dispute the fact that you nominated the L7200 as the worst FP you've seen lately. As in, honestly, can you whole-heartedly say that the L7200 is the worst FP you've seen lately? If you sell TV's then I'm sure you see some real gems. Tell me that the L7200 is the worst
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post #70 of 93
3/4/13 at 6:12am
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As for the 2012 Vizio reference up-thread, I really tried hard to like them, but they all had a cringe-factor to them that I couldn't get past.

I'm not sure of the Vizio line, but they got me wondering: When company X buys a panel from company Y, does it ever happen that company Y intentionally cripples the panel (all under contract)? Perhaps not at the substrate level, but at the hardware controller level just above it (far below the firmware). I hear a lot of people throw things like "well, they're using LG panels" as if it's supposed to mean something impressive, when I'm not ever sure it does.
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post #71 of 93
3/4/13 at 6:15am
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Hey. Tada! It's my 1000th post!
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post #72 of 93
3/4/13 at 3:25pm
Yes I can whole heartedly say the toshiba 55l7200 has the worst picture I have recently seen. There are some contenders for sure. Like the lg 55ls4500 but the tie breaker is price for sure. We don't carry off brands so I can't say for sure if vizio or westinghouse for instance make a tv thats worse cause I only see them in big box stores. Many of them in the store look pretty terrible but I don't know for sure.
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post #73 of 93
3/5/13 at 11:09pm
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Wasn't exactly a good review? How so? The person who wrote it, Geoff Morrison, also writes for CNET. Is he less credible because he disagrees with your assessment?

HDGuru also raved about the Panasonic WT50 before it was released, saying it was one of the best LED TVs of the year. We all know how that turned out...
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post #74 of 93
3/6/13 at 2:26pm
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HDGuru also raved about the Panasonic WT50 before it was released, saying it was one of the best LED TVs of the year. We all know how that turned out...

Ah I see, so clearly every reviewer/writer on hdguru should be dismissed and deemed incompetent. Makes sense.
Edited by hoozthatat - 3/6/13 at 8:53pm
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post #75 of 93
3/6/13 at 5:58pm
I've got to say this is the weirdest thread I've seen in a long time. We all come to AVS to find out the newest in tech, the best gear in almost any category and here you guys are arguing over what is the worst display you've seen. Bizarre. eek.gif
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post #76 of 93
3/6/13 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I've got to say this is the weirdest thread I've seen in a long time. We all come to AVS to find out the newest in tech, the best gear in almost any category and here you guys are arguing over what is the worst display you've seen. Bizarre. eek.gif

Not arguing Ken, merely discussing terrible TV's.
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post #77 of 93
3/6/13 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by hoozthatat View Post

Ah I see, so clearly every reviewer/writer should be dismissed and deemed incompetent. Makes sense.

Don't see where I said that. Just saying that some reviewers seems to arrive at conclusions that are at odds with the majority, which merely makes them questionable at the very least.
Televisioninfo is a very good example of this.
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post #78 of 93
3/7/13 at 6:09am
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I've got to say this is the weirdest thread I've seen in a long time. We all come to AVS to find out the newest in tech, the best gear in almost any category and here you guys are arguing over what is the worst display you've seen. Bizarre. eek.gif

Ken, I think you're over simplifying this. This thread is precisely what I've been hoping to find for a long time.

It's an elaboration of "caveat emptor".

When I started this thread, I realized that I had not yet found within AVS a list of TVs to weed out. Most people buying a TV are terrified of being burned. $500 to $4000 is major money for most folks.

Then I realized that the more research I did, the more I realized that what looks good on paper, on the showroom floor, in front of the salesman, can be a disaster for many once it gets home, and the reasons for it sometimes don't surface within the customer reviews.
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post #79 of 93
3/7/13 at 6:50am
Love this thread and thank you tgm
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post #80 of 93
3/7/13 at 6:59am
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Love this thread and thank you tgm

Thanks for saying that. You're welcome!
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post #81 of 93
3/7/13 at 8:52am
I'll give you some hugs, too, Mr. Popularity. I'm surprised no random Chinese junk has been mentioned yet as worst unless I overlooked/forgot it (instead, sets from the heavyweights, including Toshiba, Panasonique and LG).
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post #82 of 93
3/7/13 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I'll give you some hugs, too, Mr. Popularity.

LOL!

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I'm surprised no random Chinese junk has been mentioned yet as worst unless I overlooked/forgot it (instead, sets from the heavyweights, including Toshiba, Panasonique and LG).


Probably because what sticks out in people's minds are the bitter disappointments. For instance, if I were to bust on cars for their performance, I'd probably start with the entire Honda Prelude joke line over decades. But I wouldn't mention the Yugo. They had an excuse for being low-end performance----they weren't purported to be anything else.

Besides, most of those random Chinese junk panels were OEM'd into major manufacturers anyway (forehead slap).
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post #83 of 93
3/7/13 at 9:27am
Of course you're correct, expectations being half the battle.
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post #84 of 93
3/7/13 at 10:31am
Is it true that every plasma ever produced in all of the universe's history has been fantastic compared to LCDs?

I think LCDs are the best Rx for constipation.
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post #85 of 93
3/7/13 at 10:36am
Sounds like someone needs to refill their stool softener prescription. wink.gif
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post #86 of 93
3/7/13 at 10:42am
What 60Hz LCD do you recommend?
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post #87 of 93
3/7/13 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by Artwood View Post

What 60Hz LCD do you recommend?

Anything from Vizio, Viore or Polaroid.
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post #88 of 93
3/7/13 at 1:22pm
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Anything from Vizio, Viore or Polaroid.

What! No Element or Coby's!!!!!!!!!



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post #89 of 93
3/7/13 at 7:01pm
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Is it true that every plasma ever produced in all of the universe's history has been fantastic compared to LCDs?

I think LCDs are the best Rx for constipation.
Back again? Didn't you burn your last anti-LCD diatribe into your PlasmaTron screen as I previously suggested? It only takes (literally) a moment and then you could have a permanent reminder of how much better Plasma is.
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post #90 of 93
3/7/13 at 7:17pm
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Is it true that every plasma ever produced in all of the universe's history has been fantastic compared to LCDs?

No
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I think LCDs are the best Rx for constipation.

It's probably all that radiation you've been absorbing from your plasma that's made you constipated.

Seriously Art, did it ever occur to you that your posts are among the most repetitious in the history of AVS?
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