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post #151 of 1097
Thanks to abeslu I may have some bad news as I played Just Cause 2 at 2560x1600 but the LG showed 1080p@60Hz on the info display. So I compared the video between 2560x1600 and 1920x1080 and I honestly could not tell any difference. The video card is outputting 2560x1600 but I am afraid the LG cannot accept it and is downgrading it to 1080p. So robinsj may be right again in that the LG cannot accept a resolution between 1920x1080 and 3840x2160. I may visit my local video store and see if their LG shows a higher resolution when fed their 4K source material.

Since I previously stated that the 4K Youtube videos looked better in original(4K) than 1080p I took another look. It is hard to compare when watching in one resolution and then the other but I found a way by pausing the video and then changing the resolution. Certainly the video source was higher at 4K(2048x1536) but it showed only a slight increase in detail if any. The videos look so good maybe the LG is doing a good job upconverting.

So far my Integra AVR is doing fine not being able to pass 4K. So I will have to wait for true 4K material and go from there. Sorry if my high praises for the LG being a perfect big monitor for a PC swayed anybody to buy one.
post #152 of 1097
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Question, I am running my Blu-ray and Direct TV through my Sony AVR 5600ES using it as a switcher to my TV. If I had the LG 4K would I need a AVR with a 4K pass through just to get it to up convert?

Or is the AVR 4K pass through just needed when I have a 4K source?

Prefer not to have to buy a new AVR just yet. Although I would replace my Cambridge Audio Azur 751 to an Oppo 103, might lose some audio quality or maybe not.

Not sure on the specs of your AVR, but if you just pass 1080P to the set, it will upconvert on its own (if it didn't, the image would be tiny wink.gif)

I'm just currently of the belief that none of the consumer scalers available today can upconvert better than the TV can itself. After all, it's a 4K TV with no 4K content available, surely LG recognized that 99.999% of the content fed to the set would be 1080P or less.

Also, hdmi 1.4 @ 4K is limited to 30hz. So upconverting to lose framerate for video content seems backwards to me. I'm open for arguments, though.
post #153 of 1097
Just hung the TV last night, what a beast! Getting it into our apartment was a bear as I was having to uncrate the thing in the lobby and the box just barely fit in the elevator by 1/2 inch. Lifting it up onto our TV bracket was no small feat either, but we got it done smile.gif

Quick impressions with largely out of the box settings: 3D blu ray... WOW WOW WOW. Just amazing. Really looking forward to watching our 3D collection.

Cable looks good not great, but very source dependent. Higher quality sources look very good, while mixed content (HD bars and likely 480 upconverted content) can look bad. However we got the TV for primarily very good source material so not too worried about this. And I'm sure there's a lot of upside from a professional calibration. Played a video game on PS3 and it looked fantastic too.

Should have the NVidia Titan video card by tomorrow so I can test UltraHD resolution material and will post impressions
post #154 of 1097
For those looking for 4k content, I understand that Vimeo has some real 4k content but you need to register and download it and then play it on the LG, not stream it over the internet, as far as I know.
Cheers.
post #155 of 1097
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Just hung the TV last night, what a beast! Getting it into our apartment was a bear as I was having to uncrate the thing in the lobby and the box just barely fit in the elevator by 1/2 inch. Lifting it up onto our TV bracket was no small feat either, but we got it done smile.gif

Should have the NVidia Titan video card by tomorrow so I can test UltraHD resolution material and will post impressions

Stop your making me jealous, cause I just ordered mine. What mount did you use?
post #156 of 1097
I had the opportunity of seeing side by side the 84" Sony vs the lg. The LG is cheaper yes but I saw the two side by side doing 4k upscaling along with out of the box black level comparison the Sony did do better in these two things.

I believe the Sony 84" uses a lg display as well but it would seem they used a better built in picture engine to make the display look better.
post #157 of 1097
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Thanks.wink.gif Yes, there is no question that this TV delivers the best looking PQ I have seen to date. The best 1080p sources upscaled to 4K look amazing!

Yeah, even at a discounted $13,000, it's still a lot of money. I know that there are less expensive 4K TV's coming soon from LG, Sony, and Vizio. But those will be much smaller in screen size (65", 55" for LG and Sony, and 70" for Vizio"). So at 84", right now the only ones are from LG and Sony, with Toshiba releasing theirs soon.

The main reason I went for the LG 84" is because I wanted to go with a larger screen size over my Sony 70'' XBR2. The Vizio at 70" would have been just fine, but who knows when it will be released. Vizio says it will release in the fall, but honestly that seems unlikely,with a Feb/March 2014 time frame being more realistic. The Sony is just way too overpriced, so the LG, while still expensive, was more do-able. Now in a year it'll be interesting to see if a second generation 84" model gets introduced, or will only 70" and under be available?

Hi Oh,

I had the Sony 70" XBR2 also; until the picture started getting greenish-yellowish splotches. I brought the L75-A91 Laservue about 2 and half years ago to replace the Sony and now it is having a light engine issue....geez....I just hope the LG is more durable; I'd hate to buy it and 3 years later it is failing.

I'm still on the bubble; waiting for the 80" Vizio; the 80" Sharp or the new 75" Samsung. The Sharp is out so when Best Buy gets one I'll go take a look. I would like a new TV before the NFL season. biggrin.gif
post #158 of 1097
I Just read this review and they mentioned something that would make me hesitate in getting the set and I wonder if what they say is true? They are saying the LG 4K does not up convert any better than it's high end 1080p sets.

Scaling up to UHD

Since there won't be much native UHD material available, a lot of effort has been made with video upscaling. Sony's 84-inch TV has a special engine that compares the current frame with the next one, and tries to add extra detail that way. In a demo session at IFA Sony proved that the effect is quite impressive, the upscaled 4K image is clearly sharper than the same image on a normal Full HD TV. Sony did indicate that the source material needs to contain enough ‘high frequency information’, which means that there has to be enough detail present in the footage. If that's not there, the upscaling effect will be very limited, and SD material doesn't change much at all. Sharp has a similar technology called ICC Purios in one of its upcoming 4K TVs, and what we've seen of its implementation was also impressive.

LG in its turn has not equipped the 84LM9600 with an upscaling feature of that type. The TV runs on the same platform as the Full HD models from the LM960v series, and LG indicates that even the motherboard is identical. The hardware also doesn't seem to realize that the panel has four times the resolution. When we set the TV to 'scan only' with a 1080p signal, you'd expect the signal to be displayed in the middle, but instead it's full-screen employing basic bi-linear upscaling. The sharpness tests in the HQV 2.0 benchmark showed that upscaled 1080p material doesn't look sharper than on a normal 1080p screen. So in this department LG is behind Sony and Sharp, but Sony's 84-inch UHD TV is also 10,000 euros more expensive.



http://us.hardware.info/reviews/3901/3/lg-84lm960v--lg-84lm9600-uhd-tv-review-scaling-up-to-uhd
Edited by dreaux - 4/24/13 at 2:12pm
post #159 of 1097
I am not sure what I would believe in regards to upscaling. You can read the C-net review, digital trends review, ubergizmo review, tech2 review, and they all say the TV upscales great. Do I believe the sony that is $10k more upscales better, I would certainly hope so. To me, it is all how it looks to you. If it looks great to you, then by all means, its great, doesn't matter what any review as said.
post #160 of 1097
Using the Oppo 103 can just upscale BluRay's from there to 4kx2k output which is another option (at least one can compare and see how it does, I haven't tried it yet). Can also run other sources through the Oppo to take advantage of it's upscaling. I'm sure some of the new and higher end AV receivers coming out this year will begin to add this functionality (for a lot less than the $10k differential!). Although I suspected Sony had better processing, made the clear choice to buy this unit given the price difference and ability to outboard this processing over time. Just concerned that Sony will be a bunch of you know whats and continue to make it difficult to get their 4k material onto the LG TV (fingers cross the LG can work with the PS4, but unclear -- the reps at LG claim that HDMI [2.0] should provide backward compatibility sufficient to drive the LG to it's max spec).

As a separate note, am watching UltraHD resolution material right now on the TV. Hooked up my PC this evening, and was able to get 3840x2160 at 24 and 30Hz from the set. Have a dozen samples I had downloaded from Youtube and other sources of UltraHD and 4k material and it looks pretty amazing. New video card arriving tomorrow which should do a better job rendering the video (since this NVidia 660Ti is technically running beyond spec when driving this "custom resolution" - some minor stuttering from time to time in the 4k playback). Pretty darn impressive at these higher resolutions though!

FullRes image: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8262/8679923950_af6590a8c1_k.jpg





EDIT: I don't play many video games, but one that came with the PC I loaded up (Just Cause 2), and it plays very smoothly (and very impressive!) at 3840x2160 at 30fps/30Hz. So for gamers out there, this is pretty good (while I've seen games at > 100fps, this looked very smooth at 30).
Edited by silverlight - 4/24/13 at 9:59pm
post #161 of 1097
I did go to my local video store that has both the Sony and LG on display. The LG did indicate 2160 30Hz when running the 4K demos from their PC. And of course they looked excellent. I also met Adam their salesman who knew more about 4K,the tv's and games than anybody I have met. I even admitted that I bought the LG from the internet. He also believed the LG will not support resolutions between 1080p and 3840x2160 as I have found out trying games and Youtube 4K videos through my DVI and 2560x1600 Nvidia video card.

silverlight
Did the LG show 2160 30Hz on its info screen when you were watching the UltraHD videos? Also how do you save 4K Youtube videos on your PC?

catonic
I joined Vimeo but could not figure out how to download and save the videos. I did however enjoy watching very good videos.

dreaux
I also read all the reviews and compared both sets in person. The Sony would have cost me more than double ($25,000plus$2,000tax) than the LG. While I have admited the Sony looked a little better in upscaling it certainly is not twice as good. 4K material will probably look equally good as the demos do. Besides 3D looks fantastic.
post #162 of 1097
AVSers,

I have just joined having put an LG 84LM9600 on the wall at my house and this thread seems to be the right place to discuss findings.

In Australia these are selling for approx AUD $ 13,000 (15% discount from retail). I saw them on demo in a couple of shops and as I was in process of getting a couple of new TV (1 for upstair and 1 for downstairs) and fell in love with image quality I saw in shop. So i got the LG for main room and a 60" Sharp Aquos for upstairs.

Having put an initial deposit down, I then started to do research into 4K content and connections... , which I must say dampened my initial enthusiasm for 4K.

For others looking into this here are the key connection/content things you should know about:

1. HDMI & DisplayPort

HDMI 1.4 - this the only way you can get greater than 1080p resolution via HDMI based connection. The LG provides up to 3840 x 2160 @ 30 FPS ... but It is likely that later this year HDMI Version 2 will be released. this will raise FPS to 60.

However HDMI Version 2 will need new hardware and so would not be a firmware only upgrade :-( .

DisplayPort 1.2 - already provides 3840 x 2160 @ 60 FPS but the LG does not support this :-( . This is a major short coming, why not include hardware that is able to support required output for full UHDTV right from the start.

If you are connecting to your TV via AV Receiver (highly likely as that way you get the surround sound) then try to ensure your receiver support 4K HDMI passthrough. This will ensure you are future proofed for evolution of 4K standards. I got a couple of Yamaha RX-V573 7.1 receivers and these appear to do the job and work with LG HDMI CEC implementation (which they call "Simplink").

HDMI-CEC (Comsumer Electronics Control) - allows you to control devices from single controller (which at its simplest means when you turn on LG via remote, then AV Receiver powers up and you can also control your HDMI connected Blu-Ray Player and volume via the one controller.

In reading this thread I see that the Oppo (www.oppodigital.com) Blu-ray Disk Player have HDMI 1.4 connections. So I might look at getting one of these down the track. Can you play discs with 4k .mp4 or .mks from these?

2. 4K Content & Media

Needless to say having got the TV up on the wall, I was pretty keen to see some 4K content, even if it was just demos to start.

Surfing the web I found materials on YouTube and Vimeo however ...

If you use the LG YouTube app you cannot seem to get to the option which allows you to select the hi-res 4K version of the content.

So I then used the LG TV based web browser in combination with the iOS LG Remote App. This allowed me to find and select the content at desired resolution, but then I get "Out of Memory" messages and a crashed browser. So far I have not been about to get the LG 4K Demo reels to stream to my TV.

So I thought I will just download them to my desktop and stream them via DNLA. This did not work either. When I try to play either the .MP4 or .MKS versions of the media files from DNLA server I get an "Invalid format" error message.

So as final attempt I transferred 4K demon content to USB key. Again I got an invalid file message.

I can play both the MP4 and MKS versions of the material on my Apple Mac Pro desktop which indicates that these use H.264 (MP4) Codec land ook great on 30" Cinema Display at 2650 x 1600.

I am going to get a newer Graphics card for Mac Pro, which has DisplayPort 1.2 output for 4K so until then I suspect, it will be no 4K for me.

3. Playing DVD's, Blu-Rays & even Nintendo 64

So having not been able to get any 4K content up quickly and learning that there are some significant hardware/software limitations with the LG UHDTV, here are the good things.

I used a Panasonic Blu-Ray Recorder connected via HDMI to Yamaha AV Receiver and then via HDMI from Yamaha to LG.

Last night I played 720p DVD and the upscaled quality was very good. Reading some people's reviews I was thinking that old DVD's would only be watchable on the smaller 60" Sharp panel upstairs. The only area where you noticed major artefacts from the effect of upscaling was with sub-titled DVD, which had very jagged font rendering.

This was a very pleasant surprise. I measured how far we sit from the TV and it is about 12 feet.

I also tried some DVD's which had 4/3 aspect ratio and using the picture options these played back nicely once the aspect ratio was manually set on LG.

This was a significant improvement for me as previously I had a 32 inch Sharp AQUOS (which like the LG cost big $$$ back when I first got it...), which only had DVI connector providing 1080i output and did not allow adjustment of aspect ratio when connected via DVI, so I had to play the 4/3 DVD via an Samsung DVD player using Component Video instead. With the LG, I can retire the old Samsung player if needed.

So onto Blu-rays. On upscaled 2-D Blu-rays the image quality is exceptionally sharp. Very nice indeed. I have read about edge bleeding and banding, but I have turned down the back lighting and contrast and do not get noticeable problems at the 12 feet viewing distance. Any edge bleeding is really only obvious when you have a totally black screen.

The quality of 2-D Blu-rays on the large screen is sufficient to justify purchase, as in Australia a 80 inch HDTV panel from Sharp or Samsung is around 10,000 so paying extra 3000 on top of that for UHDTV does not seem such a huge leap for the additional size of quality of output.

I cannot comment on 3-D performance, as I do not have any 3-D content at the moment, but now I have 3-D TVs I will give it a go.

Finally to really test the upscaling I got out my old Nintendo 64, which has PAL Composite Video output. This really did stretch the limits of upscaling. Output was very blocky with lots aliasing and visual artefacts. Suffice to say that if this is ever used in future I will connect it to the smaller TV. I have not used it for over 5 years, so it is not really a consideration for me.

4. Summary

With hindsight, I think that buying the UHTV without HDMI Version 2 or DisplayPort 1.2 might be a bit pre-emptive.

The lack of current 4K content is not really a major issue as the TV works fine with DVDs and Blu-Rays, but not having "future-proof" hardware is a worry.

I hope that LG provides a way to upgrade the hardware when HDMI Version 2 does arrive, as the panel itself and most else about it is very very nice.

I am very interested to hear from anyone who has got a copy of "TimeScape" (www.timescape.org) 4K time lapse movie, on either USB or HD. As I would really like to hear about the quality of this material (one of my favourite films is Koyaanisquatsi, the Geoffrey Reggio/Philip Glass collaboration), so TimeScape could be a very nice movie to play every now and then.

I am not sure why I am having problems with 4K internet content, have others here had crashes?

I hope these comments help potential purchaser make decision.

Cheers from Australia.

Zebity.
Edited by zebity - 4/25/13 at 11:48pm
post #163 of 1097
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

Very nice...

Saw one of these today at Baillo's in Albuquerque. Needed some serious tweaking but quite an impressive picture never the less.

Clueless salesperson was trying to tell me passive 3D can't do 1080p. Couldn't seem to get through to him that half of 2160 is 1080.

How do you guys like the 3D?

I may stop in at Baillos when I'm up in Albuquerque again, just to see how theirs looks as compared to mine. I get a kick out of some of these sales people who think they know, but are clearly clueless.rolleyes.gif This TV, as you mentioned, does indeed do full 1080p passive 3D. With that being one of the LG's top selling points, the salesperson really needs to get educated on this TV. I know that was the primary reason I got this TV.smile.gif

The 3D on this TV is jaw dropping! Best 3D I've seen! The PQ in 3D is so darn clear! The detail is phenomenal!
post #164 of 1097
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post


Pics look fantastic wink.gif

Thanks Chris!smile.gif
post #165 of 1097
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Originally Posted by NSX1992 View Post

ohyeah32
The pictures look great. Is there a way to make them full screen? When I click on it it increses by about 5% filling about half the screen.

All the ones I uploaded were cropped and resized, so that's about as big as they'll get. In order to get larger pics I would have to re-upload them all. But here's one I did for ya.wink.gif

http://extrazoom.com/image-3860.html
post #166 of 1097
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Originally Posted by robinsj View Post

Placed my order for one. Should be here in about 10 days from what they tell me. I'm excited....

Way cool!smile.gif Congrats on the new TV!
post #167 of 1097
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

I Just read this review and they mentioned something that would make me hesitate in getting the set and I wonder if what they say is true? They are saying the LG 4K does not up convert any better than it's high end 1080p sets.

Scaling up to UHD

Since there won't be much native UHD material available, a lot of effort has been made with video upscaling. Sony's 84-inch TV has a special engine that compares the current frame with the next one, and tries to add extra detail that way. In a demo session at IFA Sony proved that the effect is quite impressive, the upscaled 4K image is clearly sharper than the same image on a normal Full HD TV. Sony did indicate that the source material needs to contain enough ‘high frequency information’, which means that there has to be enough detail present in the footage. If that's not there, the upscaling effect will be very limited, and SD material doesn't change much at all. Sharp has a similar technology called ICC Purios in one of its upcoming 4K TVs, and what we've seen of its implementation was also impressive.

LG in its turn has not equipped the 84LM9600 with an upscaling feature of that type. The TV runs on the same platform as the Full HD models from the LM960v series, and LG indicates that even the motherboard is identical. The hardware also doesn't seem to realize that the panel has four times the resolution. When we set the TV to 'scan only' with a 1080p signal, you'd expect the signal to be displayed in the middle, but instead it's full-screen employing basic bi-linear upscaling. The sharpness tests in the HQV 2.0 benchmark showed that upscaled 1080p material doesn't look sharper than on a normal 1080p screen. So in this department LG is behind Sony and Sharp, but Sony's 84-inch UHD TV is also 10,000 euros more expensive.



http://us.hardware.info/reviews/3901/3/lg-84lm960v--lg-84lm9600-uhd-tv-review-scaling-up-to-uhd

If that were true, then 3D on this TV would be 540p per eye, which it is clearly not. The ability to do full 1080p passive 3D is one of the main benefits of this TV that LG is pushing. That in itself would show that this TV does indeed upscale to 4K. At CES all of the LG reps were raving on the upscaling that this TV does, and how it will upscale 1080p to 4K. So clearly the info that reviewer has is wrong. Every other review I have read on this TV praise its upscaling capabilities.
post #168 of 1097
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

If that were true, then 3D on this TV would be 540p per eye, which it is clearly not. The ability to do full 1080p passive 3D is one of the main benefits of this TV that LG is pushing. That in itself would show that this TV does indeed upscale to 4K. At CES all of the LG reps were raving on the upscaling that this TV does, and how it will upscale 1080p to 4K. So clearly the info that reviewer has is wrong. Every other review I have read on this TV praise its upscaling capabilities.

What you say makes sense, since every other reviewer sang the praises of the LG on playing Blu-rays and regular HD content. It was a bit disconcerting when I read that because I would really like to buy the set.
But first I have to sell my current set, a Sharp 90" so I would be going down in size.....ha.
So far I have not found a store that is displaying the LG only the Sony 84". The Sony looks great but of course the price puts it out of my range and they are not going to be released until mid July so says the store rep.

One way to know how well it up scales is to hear from an owner that is coming from a hi-end set and can compare the LG with their previous set.
Edited by dreaux - 4/25/13 at 6:24am
post #169 of 1097
Yes did confirm the 2160 ont he screen. As for downloading from YouTube, very easy. Just use Firefox and download the plug-in called "Easy YouTube Video Downloader 6.8". This add-in gives you a new box underneath the videos in Youtube to download the video in various resolutions available. You'll want to select the format called MP4 Original (HD). I've seen some heavy compression in some of the files, while others look amazing.

Should be receiving the Timescapes hard drive version from NZ any day now (ordered a month ago), which should be a benchmark for quality!
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Originally Posted by NSX1992 View Post

I did go to my local video store that has both the Sony and LG on display. The LG did indicate 2160 30Hz when running the 4K demos from their PC. And of course they looked excellent. I also met Adam their salesman who knew more about 4K,the tv's and games than anybody I have met. I even admitted that I bought the LG from the internet. He also believed the LG will not support resolutions between 1080p and 3840x2160 as I have found out trying games and Youtube 4K videos through my DVI and 2560x1600 Nvidia video card.

silverlight
Did the LG show 2160 30Hz on its info screen when you were watching the UltraHD videos? Also how do you save 4K Youtube videos on your PC?

.
post #170 of 1097
Got this from LG's website, hopefully this will end the confusion regarding the LG's upscaling abilities.smile.gif

post #171 of 1097
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Originally Posted by zebity View Post

AVSers,

I have just joined having put an LG 84LM9600 on the wall at my house and this thread seems to be the right place to discuss findings.

In Australia these are selling for approx AUD $ 13,000 (15% discount from retail). I saw them on demo in a couple of shops and as I was in process of getting a couple of new TV (1 for upstair and 1 for downstairs) and fell in love with image quality I saw in shop. So i got the LG for main room and a 60" Sharp Aquos for upstairs.

Having put an initial deposit down, I then started to do research into 4K content and connections... , which I must say dampened my initial enthusiasm for 4K.

For others looking into this here are the key connection/content things you should know about:

1. HDMI & DisplayPort

HDMI 1.4 - this the only way you can get greater than 1080p resolution via HDMI based connection. The LG provides up to 3840 x 2160 @ 30 FPS ... but It is likely that later this year HDMI Version 2 will be released. this will raise FPS to 60.

However HDMI Version 2 will need new hardware and so would not be a firmware only upgrade :-( .

DisplayPort 1.2 - already provides 3840 x 2160 @ 60 FPS but the LG does not support this :-( . This is a major short coming, why not include hardware that is able to support required output for full UHDTV right from the start.

If you are connecting to your TV via AV Receiver (highly likely as that way you get the surround sound, then try to ensure your receiver support 4K HDMI passthrough. This will ensure you are future proofed for evolution of 4K standards. I got a couple of Yamaha RX-V573 7.1 receivers and these appear to do the job and work with LG HDMI CEC implementation (which they call "Simplink").

HDMI-CEC (Comsumer Electronics Control) - allows you to control devices from single controller (which at its simplest means when you turn on LG via remote, then AV Receiver powers up and you can also control your HDMI connected Blu-Ray Player and volume via the one controller.

In reading this thread I see that the Oppo (www.oppodigital.com) Blu-ray Disk Player have HDMI 1.4 connections. So I might look at getting one of these down the track. Can you play discs with 4k .mp4 or .mks from these?

2. 4K Content & Media

Needless to say having got the TV up on the wall, I was pretty keen to see some 4K content, even if it was just demos to start.

Surfing the web I found materials on YouTube and Vimeo however ...

If you use the LG YouTube app you cannot seem to get to the option which allows you to select the hi-res 4K version of the content.

So I then used the LG TV based web browser in combination with the iOS LG Remote App. This allowed me to find and select the content at desired resolution, but then I get "Out of Memory" messages and a crashed browser. So far I have not been about to get the LG 4K Demo reels to stream to my TV.

So I thought I will just download them to my desktop and stream them via DNLA. This did not work either. When I try to play either the .MP4 or .MKS versions of the media files from DNLA server I get an "Invalid format" error message.

So as final attempt I transferred 4K demon content to USB key. Again I got an invalid file message.

I can play both the MP4 and MKS versions of the material on my Apple Mac Pro desktop which indicates that these use H.264 (MP4) Codec land ook great on 30" Cinema Display at 2650 x 1600.

I am going to get a newer Graphics card for Mac Pro, which has DisplayPort 1.2 output for 4K so until then I suspect, it will be no 4K for me.

3. Playing DVD's, Blu-Rays & even Nintendo 64

So having not been able to get any 4K content up quickly and learning that there are some significant hardware/software limitations with the LG UHDTV, here are the good things.

I used a Panasonic Blu-Ray Recorder connected via HDMI to Yamaha AV Receiver and then via HDMI from Yamaha to LG.

Last night I played 720p DVD and the upscaled quality was very good. Reading some people's reviews I was thinking that old DVD's would only be watchable on the smaller 60" Sharp panel upstairs. The only area where you noticed major artefacts from the effect of upscaling was with sub-titled DVD, which had very jagged font rendering.

This was a very pleasant surprise. I measured how far we sit from the TV and it is about 12 feet.

I also tried some DVD's which had 4/3 aspect ratio and using the picture options these played back nicely once the aspect ratio was manually set on LG.

This was a significant improvement for me as previously I had a 32 inch Sharp AQUOS (which like the LG cost big $$$ back when I first got it...), which only had DVI connector providing 1080i output and did not allow adjustment of aspect ratio when connected via DVI, so I had to play the 4/3 DVD via an Samsung DVD player using Component Video instead. With the LG, I can retire the old Samsung player if needed.

So onto Blu-rays. On upscaled 2-D Blu-rays the image quality is exceptionally sharp. Very nice indeed. I have read about edge bleeding and banding, but I have turned down the back lighting and contrast and do not get noticeable problems at the 12 feet viewing distance. Any edge bleeding is really only obvious when you have a totally black screen.

The quality of 2-D Blu-rays on the large screen is sufficient to justify purchase, as in Australia a 80 inch HDTV panel from Sharp or Samsung is around 10,000 so paying extra 3000 on top of that for UHDTV does not seem such a huge leap for the additional size of quality of output.

I cannot comment on 3-D performance, as I do not have any 3-D content at the moment, but now I have 3-D TVs I will give it a go.

Finally to really test the upscaling I got out my old Nintendo 64, which has PAL Composite Video output. This really did stretch the limits of upscaling. Output was very blocky with lots aliasing and visual artefacts. Suffice to say that if this is ever used in future I will connect it to the smaller TV. I have not used it for over 5 years, so it is not really a consideration for me.

4. Summary

With hindsight, I think that buying the UHTV without HDMI Version 2 or DisplayPort 1.2 might be a bit pre-emptive.

The lack of current 4K content is not really a major issue as the TV works fine with DVDs and Blu-Rays, but not having "future-proof" hardware is a worry.

I hope that LG provides a way to upgrade the hardware when HDMI Version 2 does arrive, as the panel itself and most else about it is very very nice.

I am very interested to hear from anyone who has got a copy of "TimeScape" (www.timescape.org) 4K time lapse movie, on either USB or HD. As I would really like to hear about the quality of this material (one of my favourite films is Koyaanisquatsi, the Geoffrey Reggio/Philip Glass collaboration), so TimeScape could be a very nice movie to play every now and then.

I am not sure why I am having problems with 4K internet content, have others here had crashes?

I hope these comments help potential purchaser make decision.

Cheers from Australia.

Zebity.

Congrats on your new TV, and welcome to the owners thread!smile.gif

Thank you for sharing your initial impressions and findings. I'm sure this will be useful for any new or potential new buyer.

As far as current 4K TV's go, I believe that all of them (inc. the Sony 84") are HDMI v1.4, and will only do 4K @ 30 fps. A possible hardware upgrade seems unlikely, although I would be all for it if one were to be offered. I looked at the inputs offered on the Sony, and I couldn't see a DisplayPort 1.2. So apparently, both the LG and Sony have this limitation.

Others have tried using the web browser that's built in to the LG to watch 4K YouTube videos, but like you, it didn't work for them either. So about the only way to watch 4K right now is to have a PC that's 4K capable, and connect it via HDMI. I need to change the video card on my PC so I can start enjoying 4K.

If you don't mind me asking, what picture settings are you using on your TV?

Seth
post #172 of 1097
Hi Seth,

I adjusted picture using the "Picture Wizard" feature.

Here are the main details:

Main:
Backlight: 53
Contrast: 91
Brightness: 50
H. Sharpness: 10
V. Sharpness: 10
Colour: 48
Tint: R7

Expert Centre:
Colour Gamut: Standard
Edge Enhancer: High
Gamma: 2.2

There are a lot of other settings but these seem to be mostly set to default values.

I have now been looking at how I could use Video Streaming Server to send content to the box.

Has anyone here tried to use VLC to stream video to the machine?

Does the machine have a built in Web Server to get access to configuration and settings?

The machine controller appears to be a Linux server, so wondering if it is possible to install some home grown Java applications into box, which might allow some more control over it.

Cheers,

Zebity.
Edited by zebity - 4/26/13 at 2:43pm
post #173 of 1097
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

If that were true, then 3D on this TV would be 540p per eye, which it is clearly not. The ability to do full 1080p passive 3D is one of the main benefits of this TV that LG is pushing. That in itself would show that this TV does indeed upscale to 4K. At CES all of the LG reps were raving on the upscaling that this TV does, and how it will upscale 1080p to 4K. So clearly the info that reviewer has is wrong. Every other review I have read on this TV praise its upscaling capabilities.

After reading further on that I am not sure that is the best way to tell. The Panasonic P65VT60 does that as well and its a 1080p set. Not saying the LG doesn't upscale, just saying that's not a way to tell.

But with Panasonic Full HD 3D and our Active Shutter Eyewear, each eye sees an image with Full 1080p resolution for a 3D experience of incredible depth and realism.

VIERA® 65" Class VT60 Series Full HD Plasma TV (64.7" Diag.)
post #174 of 1097


This set is like a roller coaster you got your ups and downs lol.
I don't care what anyone says the banding is B A D on this thing the Sony is NO better tho.

However the 4k is so dam impressive that you "almost" forget the banding.

I would have to say to anyone wanting this 4k set wait for the next I'm sure they will make a much better panel.

I'm gaming on my SLI Titan setup and the image is so good I can not express it.

So come on LG step up and get the uniformity right on the set !!!

Tj8xp
post #175 of 1097
Tj8xp
I am curious at what resolution you are gaming and what games can go past 2560x1600 and what does the info on the LG screen shows? Thanks.
post #176 of 1097
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Originally Posted by Tj8xp View Post



This set is like a roller coaster you got your ups and downs lol.
I don't care what anyone says the banding is B A D on this thing the Sony is NO better tho.

However the 4k is so dam impressive that you "almost" forget the banding.

I would have to say to anyone wanting this 4k set wait for the next I'm sure they will make a much better panel.

I'm gaming on my SLI Titan setup and the image is so good I can not express it.

So come on LG step up and get the uniformity right on the set !!!

Tj8xp

Yeah, the banding can get annoying. But on most content that doesn't involve a lot of medium to light blue skies as a background, or a lot of off whites, the banding isn't as obvious.

I am so jealous of you owners that are getting to see some actual 4K material on this TV. I am LOVING the PQ on upscaled HD content from Blu-ray's and HD satellite, so I can only imagine how insanely good the PQ on 4K is.

Other than the banding, I'm happy to hear that you're really enjoying your new TV.smile.gif


Seth
post #177 of 1097
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Originally Posted by NSX1992 View Post


We had a couple over tonight to watch Jurassic Park 3D and they were very impressed with the movie and especially the LG. I even demonstrated the 4K videos and they had never seen such a high resolution before.

I just finished watching Jurassic Park 3D, and I was blown away!!! This movie has always been one of my all time favorites, but this new 3D edition was like seeing (and hearing) it for the first time! The image quality of the Blu-ray on this TV is the best I have seen this movie. To say that I was impressed is an understatement!! And the 3D on this one is jaw dropping! Family and friends watched this with me, and they were extremely impressed. The post converted 3D is so well done that it almost looks as if it had been shot in 3D. All I can say is WOW! As you know, the best 3D releases on this TV are phenomenal! If Titanic is anywhere as good as this one is, I am in for a real treat!

On 2D Blu-ray's this TV is also an amazing performer. The other night I watched The Impossible, and I was just awestruck with the level of detail and colors in the picture. And even with this movie being shot on 35mm film and not digital, there was no visible grain (even night time scenes), making this film one of the best looking I have seen on this TV thus far. I am super impressed with the LG's upscaling abilities with 1080p and 1080i material.

And TV shows like Grimm, Person of Interest, HBO's Game of Thrones, and the Starz original series Da Vinci's Demons look absolutely stunning! I am really getting spoiled by the PQ this TV delivers.smile.gif


Seth
post #178 of 1097
Quote:
Originally Posted by zebity View Post

Hi Seth,

I adjusted picture using the "Picture Wizard" feature.

Here are the main details:

Main:
Backlight: 53
Contrast: 91
Brightness: 50
H. Sharpness: 10
V. Sharpness: 10
Colour: 48
Tint: R7

Expert Centre:
Colour Gamut: Standard
Edge Enhancer: High
Gamma: 2.2

There are a lot of other settings but these seem to be mostly set to default values.

I have now been looking at how I could use Video Streaming Server to send content to the box.

Has anyone here tried to use VLC to stream video to the machine?

Does the machine have a built in Web Server to get access to configuration and settings?

The machine controller appears to be a Linux server, so wondering if it is possible to install some home grown Java applications into box, which might allow some more control over it.

Cheers,

Zebity.

Thanks for sharing your settings.smile.gif
post #179 of 1097
As a quick aside, got the NVidia Titan video card up and running (and had to install some new cooling and PSU while I was at it...). While the video was very good at UltraHD with the 660 Ti monitor (out of spec), it's even better with the Titan. It is clearly handling the processing of the videos better and very smooth. Kudos to the folks at Maingear, who had made my computer a couple months back, they gave me full credit on the existing video card and just paid the difference for the Titan, which was very nice of them! (saved me $600 relative to what I was about to spend retail on the card). Lastly, said it earlier, while I'm not a video game player, this setup may be changing my views on this... games in Ultra HD are a dream to watch...
post #180 of 1097
Is anyone using an Oppo 103/105 blu-ray player with the LG 4k unit? It does 4K up scaling but will only do it if connected to a 4K set. Wondering how a blu-ray disc would look with the Oppo 103/105 up scaling it as well as the set.
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