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post #241 of 1095
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Originally Posted by robinsj View Post

I agree with ohyeah32, if you are planning on getting something, just get it. There will always be word of something better just around the corner, and you will always end up waiting. I say word of something, because as anyone who has been to CES knows, there is a lot of show there, but then little that makes it to market.

Having said that, my TV will be here Tuesday!!!! Yaaaaaaa!!!

Waaaaaay cool!!! I'll bet you're super excited knowing your new TV will arrive on Tuesday! That's awesome news!

Yep! There will always be word of something newer and better just around the corner, and most times all you do is wait. And unlike all the years past, with CES shows showing prototype after prototype, which dazzle the senses but never see the light of day in an actual production model, LG actually made it happen! I say kudos to them for making the panels and actually bringing this technology to ones who are able to get it. And if you think about it, had it not been for LG's forward thinking direction and extensive R&D, even Sony and Toshiba would not have had a viable 4K flat panel available yet.

So sure these current crop of 4K TV's are limited to 30fps, and only have HDMI 1.4a, but they are here now and they look phenomenal! I feel very fortunate to actually own one of these beauties.
post #242 of 1095
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Well said. I know that the prices will eventually will go down but I would be upset if a 70" is the largest 4K out there. I don't really want anything under 84". I would imagine The Hobbit will be remastered to 24fps anyway.
Despite what others may say I an going to get a 4K in the near future.

Yes, you're most likely correct that the Hobbit will be remastered at 24fps of an eventual 4K home release.

So are you on the fence as to which 4K TV to get? Sony or LG? Either one will be a superb choice.smile.gif
post #243 of 1095
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

If the LG 4K is almost as good or equal to the Sony 84K I want one. I spent the morning looking at the Sony XBR-84X900 4K as well as the Sony 4K 65". Both looked amazing but those speakers on the 65" that don't come off look silly. Why they are not detachable like the 84" in the mystery to me.

I asked to view Blu-ray 1080p content and can see that is being up scaled and looked terrific. The black levels and detail is as good or better than the Sharp Elite. But Sony has all this other stuff that comes with the set. They give you a media server (lease) and soon a media player.
That is not out yet. All of this with Sony 4K content and movies. But all that is not worth 12K over the LG. The LG is priced closer to what I can afford. I am sure it looks great but still trying to find one to view.

While I was there someone came in and bought the Sony 84. I had heard July was the earliest you could get one but Magnolia had access to one and he will get it soon. He also bought the Sony 4K projector for another 24K. Found out later he drives a Ferrari, that leaves me out of that crowd.

Darn I wish I could find a place to view the LG, I am most interested in seeing how it does off a HD channel on Dtv.


Considering they both use the same LG Display's 84" IPS panel there should be minimal difference. The Sony might have slightly better processing, but as you say, not $12,000 better. Next year's 84" LG should be cheaper at around $12-13K.
post #244 of 1095
I will try attaching some pictures. 001.JPG 1169k .JPG file 002.JPG 1520k .JPG file 003.JPG 975k .JPG file
I used the paperclip and this is what I get. So can anyone open theses?
post #245 of 1095
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Originally Posted by NSX1992 View Post

I will try attaching some pictures. 001.JPG 1169k .JPG file 002.JPG 1520k .JPG file 003.JPG 975k .JPG file
I used the paperclip and this is what I get. So can anyone open theses?

Yep, they opened up perfectly! Very nice! Looks comfy.wink.gif And the PQ on your LG is of course amazing!cool.gif

I see you're using the TV's stand like I am. I wonder who else here uses the stand?

Thanks for sharing.smile.gif
post #246 of 1095
ohyea32
PC games are not strictly 60fps as the frame rate depends on the game, video options selected and the power of the video card. Games run fine at 30fps but the higher the rate the smoother but you cannot notice the difference past 30fps. I took the plunge and ordered the $1,025 Nvidia GTX Titan which is the most powerful single video:) card available and will do 4K. I will let everyone know next week but I am planning to take my sandrail to the giant sand dunes at Glamis in California for a week.
post #247 of 1095
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Originally Posted by NSX1992 View Post

ohyea32
PC games are not strictly 60fps as the frame rate depends on the game, video options selected and the power of the video card. Games run fine at 30fps but the higher the rate the smoother but you cannot notice the difference past 30fps. I took the plunge and ordered the $1,025 Nvidia GTX Titan which is the most powerful single video:) card available and will do 4K. I will let everyone know next week but I am planning to take my sandrail to the giant sand dunes at Glamis in California for a week.

Good to know.smile.gif I'm not very in the know when it comes to PC games, so I was just going by what I've heard. Like you said, the higher the frame rate the smoother it's supposed to be, I don't know if this is even more important for games played at 4K resolution. I'm sure you'll let us know once you get the new card.wink.gif

Have fun on the sand dunes! Sand rails are a blast!


Seth
post #248 of 1095
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Yes, you're most likely correct that the Hobbit will be remastered at 24fps of an eventual 4K home release.

So are you on the fence as to which 4K TV to get? Sony or LG? Either one will be a superb choice.smile.gif

Yes I am on the fence on choosing either one. I got an email today for the Communications Supervisor / Executive Services / CS for LG in Alabama.
He is going to call me tomorrow and try and find it in my area. I really don't want to get it unless I can see it ......somewhere around here they must have one.
Going from Northern VA. thru DC, up to Baltimore. All of which I can get to.

On the 60fps, I don't foresee my playing any Video games on 4K. I am just concerned about the HDMI 2.0 having increased bandwidth to allow for higher resolutions and broader video timing support. But I suspect it will be negligible to the eye.
post #249 of 1095
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Yes I am on the fence on choosing either one. I got an email today for the Communications Supervisor / Executive Services / CS for LG in Alabama.
He is going to call me tomorrow and try and find it in my area. I really don't want to get it unless I can see it ......somewhere around here they must have one.
Going from Northern VA. thru DC, up to Baltimore. All of which I can get to.

On the 60fps, I don't foresee my playing any Video games on 4K. I am just concerned about the HDMI 2.0 having increased bandwidth to allow for higher resolutions and broader video timing support. But I suspect it will be negligible to the eye.

The staff at LG are awesome! I'm sure they'll help you find a place to demo it.smile.gif If you do find a place that has it on display, I'm curious as to what your impressions are of it. Either way you decide to go (LG or Sony), please keep us posted.smile.gif
post #250 of 1095
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

The staff at LG are awesome! I'm sure they'll help you find a place to demo it.smile.gif If you do find a place that has it on display, I'm curious as to what your impressions are of it. Either way you decide to go (LG or Sony), please keep us posted.smile.gif

Thank you I will. Tomorrow I am going up to BB to demo the Sony 4K again. This time I am taking my own Dvd's. The Fifth Element SD (of course) and Blu-ray LOTR. I am most curious to see how it up converts SD. This is the old version of The Fifth Element, not the Super Bit one.
post #251 of 1095


This is The new Alien game at 4k Rez I have 2x Titans in SLi and 30 frames is plenty great !



My computer and room config smile.gif
post #252 of 1095
Tonight I attended an open house for good customers at my local home theater store. They had the new 65" 4K Sony on display for $7,000. The 65" looked so small compare to our 84". They only had still pictures to demonstrate 4K. People have said you need a large set to differiantiate between 1080p and 4K. But they had a newspaper on the screen with one half in 4K and the other half in 1080p. The 4K was much clearer than 1080p. In addition the reds were red without any orange. Why there is a difference of $18,000 for 19" in increased size is weird. Maybe because Sony had to buy the 84" panel from LG.
post #253 of 1095
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Originally Posted by Tj8xp View Post



This is The new Alien game at 4k Rez I have 2x Titans in SLi and 30 frames is plenty great !



My computer and room config smile.gif

Sweet! Thanks for sharing the pics.wink.gif

That's good to know that games at 4K resolution play fine at 30fps.smile.gif This should debunk claims that 30fps isn't good enough.
post #254 of 1095
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Originally Posted by NSX1992 View Post

Tonight I attended an open house for good customers at my local home theater store. They had the new 65" 4K Sony on display for $7,000. The 65" looked so small compare to our 84". They only had still pictures to demonstrate 4K. People have said you need a large set to differiantiate between 1080p and 4K. But they had a newspaper on the screen with one half in 4K and the other half in 1080p. The 4K was much clearer than 1080p. In addition the reds were red without any orange. Why there is a difference of $18,000 for 19" in increased size is weird. Maybe because Sony had to buy the 84" panel from LG.

I can imagine how the 65" Sony looked small compared to our 84" sets.smile.gif There is no doubt that 4K looks better than regular 1080p, but to see an apparent difference in a smaller set says volumes for what 4K can do. Our LG's do such an amazing job upscaling 1080p to 4K, that until the day comes that we can actually see 4K movies, for now I'm plenty happy with what I'm seeing on Blu-ray.smile.gif

And you're right, why is the 84" Sony priced so much more than their 65" model? A difference of $18,000 is kind of crazy. As you said, maybe it's because they had to buy the panels from LG. Who knows.

Thanks for sharing your experience there.wink.gif
post #255 of 1095
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Thank you I will. Tomorrow I am going up to BB to demo the Sony 4K again. This time I am taking my own Dvd's. The Fifth Element SD (of course) and Blu-ray LOTR. I am most curious to see how it up converts SD. This is the old version of The Fifth Element, not the Super Bit one.

Even though I rarely watch DVD's anymore, there are those times when I have to (rental only available on DVD). So I did actually get to see how the LG does with standard DVD. Even though the DVD was clearly low resolution, it was actually quite watchable. And it looked better than I thought it was going to. So the TV did a pretty decent job upscaling standard definition content.
post #256 of 1095
Avs lg owners,

I am not happy!

I got Oppo BDP-105 today and connected it via HDMI cable to Yamaha avr and tried to play 3-d blu-ray.

No luck I keep getting blue screen saying disk is not compatible with hardware.

To remove a potential cause of problem, I connected oppo directly to LG 84lm9600 rather than via Yamaha AVR.

Same result.

Can anyone please advise on settings to get LG working with Oppo 105 and 3D,

Thanks in advance for any tips.

Cheers,

Zebity.
LG 84LM9600 / Yamaha RX-V573 / Oppo BDP-105
Edited by zebity - 5/3/13 at 9:12am
post #257 of 1095
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Originally Posted by zebity View Post

Avs lg owners,

I am not happy!

I got Oppo BDP-105 today and connected it via HDMI cable to Yamaha avr and tried to play 3-d blu-ray.

No luck I keep getting blue screen saying disk is not compatible with hardware.

To remove a potential cause of problem, I connected oppo directly to LG 84lm9600 rather than via Yamaha AVR.

Same result.

Can anyone please advise on settings to get LG working with Oppo 105 and 3D,

Thanks in advance for any tips.

Cheers,

Zebity.
LG 84LM9600 / Yamaha RX-V573 / Oppo BDP-105

Sorry to hear that you're having a problem with 3D Blu-ray's. On mine it quickly acknowledged it being 3D and switched to 3D mode (I have an Oppo BDP-103 and Oppo BDP-93 and both work perfectly with the LG. Why it would say disc is not compatible with hardware is very strange. You may need to contact LG or Oppo and ask them about this. I hope you're able to get this issue addressed soon.


Seth
post #258 of 1095
Viewed my blu-ray material on the Sony 84" 4K today. Does it up scale well, yes it does but not 10 grand worth. Leaning toward the LG 84" 4K which is priced quite a bit more realistic.
post #259 of 1095
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Viewed my blu-ray material on the Sony 84" 4K today. Does it up scale well, yes it does but not 10 grand worth. Leaning toward the LG 84" 4K which is priced quite a bit more realistic.

Yes, from what I've read, the Sony 84" does an excellent job upscaling. But the LG is no slouch in that department either. I have found it to do a phenomenal job upscaling HD satellite and Blu-ray's. Sure I have not actually seen the Sony in person, but I know a really good picture when I see one, and the LG puts out an amazing picture, that's both vibrant and extremely detailed.

When I get a chance (maybe over the weekend), I'll take some screen shots of the LG with both Blu-ray and HD satellite content. LG has confirmed that the 84LM9600 does indeed upscale content to 4K, and it definitely shows.smile.gif

If the Sony does a better job in this department, it's not by much. I was reading a review on the Sony 84" 4K from cnet Asia, and in that review were some screen shots comparing the Sony and LG. In the photos, the LG was actually a bit crisper and more detailed than the Sony.

I hope you do get to actually see the LG in person, as that would really let you know how they compare. Because even though you're learning about what this TV looks like through us, there's nothing like seeing one in person. And it would really be a major bummer for you to buy an LG 84" sight unseen, and after using it for a bit end up not liking it. But you're right, the discounted price on the LG is a lot more realistic.
post #260 of 1095
Thanks again Seth for your information and impressions of the LG 4K. I am going to buy it and go with your recommendation. The Sony 4K is a beautiful set and does up scale very nicely but as I said it not 'that' good. While up scaling it does have a 'film' look somehow I can't imagine it does that much better than the LG. I did notice a lack of black detail the the Sharp Elite has. We played with the settings and I still was not satisfied with the black levels. I am sure we could have made it better with more experimenting since it was out of the box settings on 'Standard' but even 'Vivid' didn't increase the black levels. I owned a Sharp Elite 70 so I was comparing the Sony to that. The PQ on the Sony was outstanding. All this are my impressions playing Blu-ray content. Really didn't bother with 4K content since I know that is outstanding but I won't be watching 4K for some time.

We even watched 'Life of Pi" and the blacks still weren't there. But since I really wasn't given the opportunity to play with the settings I wasn't sure if it could achieve it. But this is not to say they aren't there, they probably are there I just didn't see them the way the set was set up.

Sony does include a server (lease) and will be including a media server with the set. There will be very limited content with the server. I don't need all that nor the 10 or 11 movies they include which most I have seen. I was looking at the Samsung ES9000 75" while I was there and it had as good a picture as the Sony on Blu-rays. They have dropped 2 grand of the Samsung since the new models will be coming out. I was considering the Samsung but I still want a 84".

So I think I will go with the LG 4K, thanks to the thread and Seth's excellent input. If the Sony was the same price I would give it serious consideration but it's not.

Another review

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news/article/lg-84lm960v-4k-tv-review/14998
Edited by dreaux - 5/4/13 at 6:55am
post #261 of 1095
Thanks dreaux for that lead to the review I had not read before.The review is excelllent. I had not noticed the reflection from the stand before but I can see it while I am typing sitting from my close chair. But when in our lounge chairs the coffee table blocks the stand. I have seen both sets and I also made the decision the Sony was not worth the xtra money. I paid $12,999 for mine and today they have lowered the price to $12,249, no tax or shipping fees.
post #262 of 1095
Hi Seth & Co,

I got 3d going..

I changed HDMI to reciever from Oppo HDMI 1 to HDMi 2, rebooted everything and tried a different disk. Now getting 3-d.

Funny but on restarting original disk it still kept "resuming" play back to blue screen, saying hardware was not compatible with 3-D. After pressing stop many times Oppo finally played disk ok. It seems I hit some kind of bug with auto resume and 3-d.

I have got Oppo set to "Source Direct" resolution so LG will be doing up scaling and "Auto" for 3-d.

I also did test of trying to run 4K demo MP4 / MKV from both DLNA server and USB. With DLNA got "file format not supported" , with USB I got "resolution not supported".

So even though Oppo can send out HDMI 1.4 4k signal (I confirmed this via info display on receiver), it cannot render content. This seems like something that a firmware update on Oppo should be able to fix.

Cheers,

Zebity
LG 84LM9600 / Yamaha RX-V573 / Oppo BDP-105
post #263 of 1095
Having the Oppo 103 I have to use 'Force' instead of 'Auto' to get 3D to work.
post #264 of 1095
Let Oppo know about the problem. I'm sure with such a prominent display they will correct the issue with a FW update.

When it comes to quirks with Oppo machines I never fret because I KNOW they will fix it. smile.gif
post #265 of 1095
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Thanks again Seth for your information and impressions of the LG 4K. I am going to buy it and go with your recommendation. The Sony 4K is a beautiful set and does up scale very nicely but as I said it not 'that' good. While up scaling it does have a 'film' look somehow I can't imagine it does that much better than the LG. I did notice a lack of black detail the the Sharp Elite has. We played with the settings and I still was not satisfied with the black levels. I am sure we could have made it better with more experimenting since it was out of the box settings on 'Standard' but even 'Vivid' didn't increase the black levels. I owned a Sharp Elite 70 so I was comparing the Sony to that. The PQ on the Sony was outstanding. All this are my impressions playing Blu-ray content. Really didn't bother with 4K content since I know that is outstanding but I won't be watching 4K for some time.

We even watched 'Life of Pi" and the blacks still weren't there. But since I really wasn't given the opportunity to play with the settings I wasn't sure if it could achieve it. But this is not to say they aren't there, they probably are there I just didn't see them the way the set was set up.

Sony does include a server (lease) and will be including a media server with the set. There will be very limited content with the server. I don't need all that nor the 10 or 11 movies they include which most I have seen. I was looking at the Samsung ES9000 75" while I was there and it had as good a picture as the Sony on Blu-rays. They have dropped 2 grand of the Samsung since the new models will be coming out. I was considering the Samsung but I still want a 84".

So I think I will go with the LG 4K, thanks to the thread and Seth's excellent input. If the Sony was the same price I would give it serious consideration but it's not.

Another review

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news/article/lg-84lm960v-4k-tv-review/14998

You're welcome.wink.gif Glad that I, as well as others here, were able to help a bit in your decision.

I hope that you will be as happy with the LG as the rest of us owners here are.smile.gif I just finished watching Gangster Squad on Blu-ray, and the PQ on it was wow! Again the LG contiunues to impress with the level of detail and clarity. There was also a trailer on the disc for The Great Gatsby (starring Leonardo DiCaprio), and the PQ on it was just jaw dropping! I will see about getting a screen shot of that later today and share it here. Gangster Squad was nearly as impressive looking, but a lot of the movie takes place in dimly lit interiors and at night, so I figured it wasn't the best to show off all the vibrancy (colors, overall details, etc.).

The LG offers a very nice film like look with film based material, and even movies shot on digital (like Gangster Squad) have a nice filmic look to them that some digitally shot movies lack (Superman Returns). But movies and programs that already have nice high level detail, really showcases what the upscaling can do. The result is stunning!

The black levels on the LG are pretty darn good in my opinion, not plasma or even Sharp Elite black, but for being edge lit it does a nice job. Of course to get the better black levels you need to tweak the picture adjustments. Engaging local dimming is a must! And for Blu-ray playback I also have the dynamic contrast set to the low setting, which I found works quite well. Living with this set you get to know what the edge lighting is all about. Brightness is not an issue at all, as it gets plenty bright across the entire panel! There is no blooming that I notice, or flash-lighting. The edge lighting is only slightly, and I mean slightly visible with movies that have letterboxing, but I found it not to be a distraction at all.

Yes, actual 4K content would be really nice to be able to watch on this TV. But the more new info comes to light, the possibility of this seems to be dimming a bit, with talk of HDMI 2.0, HEVC H.265, etc. likely being a necessity to be able to watch 4K Blu-ray.frown.gif If Samsung has a viable fix, and Sony is looking into a solution for their current 4K TV owners, I don't think LG is going to leave us high and dry. Especially since they're the ones who make the 4K panels for Sony and Toshiba. Hopefully they will mention something about this over the next few months.

But in all actuality, the ability to watch 4K content wasn't the reason I got this TV. The main reason was the ability to watch 3D Blu-ray's in full 1080p passive 3D. And only a 4K TV will allow this. So that along with it being a massive 84" screen are what sold me on it. Yeah 4K movies will no doubt be phenomenal, but that is still at least a year away, if not longer. And to be honest,I had waited long enough to get a new TV (2 years), so I really didn't feel like waiting around another year or two just to able able to start enjoying 3D Blu-ray's with passive technology. And now with LG and Sony saying that these 84" TV's are "limited editions", there is a very strong possibility that the next wave of 4K TV's from them will be smaller. So will another 84" be made? I don't know.

And I'm glad you mentioned the media server that Sony is including with their 84" model. While many of those movies I like, not all of them were actually shot in 4K. Only two, if I'm correct, were shot in 4K (Total Recall and The Amazing Spiderman). So the others were basically rescanned to 4K. While I'm sure they do look better than 1080p, they don't have the same level of detail that the ones in true 4K have. Plus, you can only listen to these movies through the TV, as there was not an option to send lossless audio to an outboard AVR or processor. I wonder if the upcoming movie server has a lossless output option? I guess for any owner of other brand 4K TV's this is a non issue, as it will only work with Sony brand TV's.rolleyes.gif So in a way the media server is a bit of a waste.

Like you said, if the Sony were priced at or very close to what the LG can be purchased for, then the decision would really be a tough one. And the one with the absolute best PQ and features would win. But the Sony is way more expensive, and for what it offers is in reality not worth the extra money, at least it wasn't for me.

So if you go for the LG, which it looks like you are, you are going in fully aware of it's mild to moderate vertical/horizontal banding anomaly. And the likeliness that there will be an audio sync issue with 3D Blu-ray's when sending the audio from your Blu-ray player through an AVR or processor. If your AVR or processor has an audio delay adjustment feature, then you will most likely be able to compensate for any timing mismatch on 3D Blu-ray's. My new Marantz AV8801 has done a splendid job with this, and has allowed me to enjoy all 3D Blu-ray's thus far perfectly in sync.smile.gif

Other than these these two things, the LG is a stunner! And will give you the most amazing PQ on Blu-ray, HD satellite, and it even does an admirable job with standard DVD.
Edited by ohyeah32 - 5/5/13 at 12:27am
post #266 of 1095
Thanks for those additional impressions of the LG 4K Seth.

The new Marantz AV8801, very impressive!

Let me ask you, while using your Oppo do you up scale from the unit to the TV or just feed 1080p to the LG? Wondering if up scaling at both ends achieves any thing worthwhile?
post #267 of 1095
Are the panels IGZO? I understand AUO is making 4K panels with IGZO teck.
post #268 of 1095
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Thanks for those additional impressions of the LG 4K Seth.

The new Marantz AV8801, very impressive!

Let me ask you, while using your Oppo do you up scale from the unit to the TV or just feed 1080p to the LG? Wondering if up scaling at both ends achieves any thing worthwhile?

The Oppo does a splendid job upscaling Blu-ray's to 4K, but so does the LG. So the way I currently have it, is sending out 1080p from the Oppo through the Marantz (straight pass through), and then to the LG. This lets the LG do all the upscaling. But it's all a matter of preference, some like to let the Oppo upscale, while others let the LG do the upscaling. Either way will yield superb results!

If the Oppo is upscaling, then the LG will not do any upscaling as the input will be at 3840×2160. So it's either one or the other, but not both.
post #269 of 1095
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Originally Posted by 6athome View Post

Are the panels IGZO? I understand AUO is making 4K panels with IGZO teck.

The IGZO technology sounds really interesting, but I haven't heard of LG Display using this technology, but I may be wrong. Maybe someone who knows can chime in.
post #270 of 1095
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Originally Posted by zebity View Post

Hi Seth & Co,

I got 3d going..

I changed HDMI to reciever from Oppo HDMI 1 to HDMi 2, rebooted everything and tried a different disk. Now getting 3-d.

Funny but on restarting original disk it still kept "resuming" play back to blue screen, saying hardware was not compatible with 3-D. After pressing stop many times Oppo finally played disk ok. It seems I hit some kind of bug with auto resume and 3-d.

I have got Oppo set to "Source Direct" resolution so LG will be doing up scaling and "Auto" for 3-d.

I also did test of trying to run 4K demo MP4 / MKV from both DLNA server and USB. With DLNA got "file format not supported" , with USB I got "resolution not supported".

So even though Oppo can send out HDMI 1.4 4k signal (I confirmed this via info display on receiver), it cannot render content. This seems like something that a firmware update on Oppo should be able to fix.

Cheers,

Zebity
LG 84LM9600 / Yamaha RX-V573 / Oppo BDP-105

Great to hear that you got 3D working!smile.gif

It's interesting, as my Oppo 103 is set to "auto" for 3D, and every 3D Blu-ray I have played was instantly recognized. Maybe a slight difference between the 103 and 105, but I wouldn't think so. As was mentioned, I would contact Oppo about this and see what they say.
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