Official LG 84LM9600 (Ultra HD 4K) Owners' Thread - Page 2

Originally Posted by bscloutier 

Stand Dimensions

36" W x 15.5" D and I'd say the bottom of the panel is 4" off the deck. I've wall mounted my set (and had planned to post some details on that) so I have an "extra" stand. Note that the panel does pivot plus or minus maybe 10+ degrees (again just a guess but roughly).

There was no real wobble that I noticed in the set on its stand at the local showroom. My room is 19' x 19' and the 20' span is supported (improperly) single 2x10s on 12" centers. A couple of years ago when my (then) 300 pound plus brother brought his Connect over... Well... a trampoline comes to mind. The floor deflects a serious 4" and items around the periphery angled inches off the walls. It was scary. Needless to say there is now a temporary lolly column and a brace in the basement across the underside of the room. A more permanent solution is on some ToDo list somewhere.

The point is... this panel on the stand would had I had it then have toppled over! It is heavy and would have destroyed itself let alone anything in its way. For me, the wall mounting is a much better place for it. Now I am sure that none of you have the floor issue like I did/do. I wish that I had some high-speed photography. It would have gone viral.

Oh, and the nice component cabinet that the store has theirs on is listed at like $3000! I decided to save the bucks for an AVR upgrade or something. Besides, if you are a renter, you pay for square footage, the wall space is FREE!

Bruce

Originally Posted by bscloutier 

3D Experience

So we finally picked up the 3D version of Avatar having heard that it is sort of reference 3D content. We didn't have any 3D to watch to this point. I had verified the 3D capability of this 84LM9600 with the built-in 2D-to-3D but, frankly, that simulation tries hard but the results are really disconcerting. We just needed something filmed for 3D to check it out.

I had not been a fan of 3D. I had chuckled at it as the industry seemed to want to force it upon us searching for something they can charge us more for. We went to see Avatar in 3D when it came out in the theaters and afterwards I remember questioning whether the 3D really enhanced our experience or not. I recall saying that it would be interesting to watch the feature in 2D perhaps to help with that question. I still haven't seen it in 2D though. Back then I had said that the 3D was interesting and that we didn't need it and I certainly wouldn't buy a 3D panel for the house. I am still of that mindset.

Now I have this sweet 4K panel and like most other panels the 3D is there. Well last night we watched Avatar in 3D in the comfort of our own home. I was concerned when we were sitting down that my wife might complain and punt. When we tried 3D on other panels in the showroom, she had complained that it hurt, that it was giving her a headache and I had felt that she was close to saying that she wouldn't watch anything like that.

Now to be fair she did only try on some active 3D glasses; The demo was on a 1080p set; She was standing probably too close to the screen at that point; And, the content I think was converted to 3D. It was not filmed for 3D.

Okay so last night. I think she said "Oh! Wow!" maybe 6 or 7 times through the movie. Afterwards she declared that the experience "was a lot more comfortable than she thought it was going to be". And now I'd bet that when we sit down to watch Avatar again she won't want to bother in 2D. So what made the difference?

First I think being in your own home starts you out at a level of comfort. Secondly, there isn't the sales situation hanging over your head. I mean, we have made the investment and so you are watching now for your entertainment and not trying to find excuses to help protect your life savings from vulture sales people. It sounds silly but can bias you to some extent.

More importantly I can't say enough about the 3D experience with passive glasses on a 4K panel. It gives you a full brightness 1080p image. You are not time-sharing pixels between eyes! The glasses are light weight (and inexpensive). You do not have to worry about batteries or synchronizing the glasses with the panel. There is absolutely no flicker!

Except for a couple of moments early in the movie where I felt that I needed to reset my eyes, the 3D was seamless. From what I remember it was every bit as good as that in the theater. It was a very positive experience. I will be looking to get additional 3D content now.

So I think there were a couple of scenes in the movie where they had to simulate the 3D. I am not sure. Most of the movie had a continuous depth to it. That is very nice. There were a couple of times where I think the depth became layered. I don't blame them if they had to do that. Those were very minor and brief scenes. I bet they made the trade-off for plot which is probably the way it should be. All in all though... very nice!!

I believe that Prometheus was shot for 3D. I'll have to get that one. I tend toward science fiction and action films. Any others that any of you would recommend for 3D? This LG 84LM9600 is 3D heaven!

I did skip over telling you all about how I had to rewire so we could watch 3D and that we had to compromise with Neo-6 audio. All because my Pioneer VSX-21TXH's HDMI is not compatible with 3D (and 4K). The Oppo dual HDMI outputs won't run at different HDMI levels and so the Split A/V mode would not send audio to the AVR that my AVR would accept. I couldn't get the lossless HD audio stream to the AVR using the Oppo optical out (had lip sync issues with that as well) and the analog 7.7 outputs... the AVR only accepted 5.1 input and I figure there would be sync issues with that as well. So long story short, I am looking now to upgrade the AVR.

But the 3D video from the monster panel! Really cool!

Bruce

Originally Posted by PeterS 

Can anone comment on the backlight?

The set is edge-lit and there are reports of some backlight banding in really pastel scenes. Is this true of the Sony unit as well? I mean for $8k more I dont need the media server, tablet and side speakers that Sony adds to the set.

Thanks

Originally Posted by PeterS 

Are you not seeing any vertical banding?

Originally Posted by bscloutier 

3D Experience

So we finally picked up the 3D version of Avatar having heard that it is sort of reference 3D content. We didn't have any 3D to watch to this point. I had verified the 3D capability of this 84LM9600 with the built-in 2D-to-3D but, frankly, that simulation tries hard but the results are really disconcerting. We just needed something filmed for 3D to check it out.

I had not been a fan of 3D. I had chuckled at it as the industry seemed to want to force it upon us searching for something they can charge us more for. We went to see Avatar in 3D when it came out in the theaters and afterwards I remember questioning whether the 3D really enhanced our experience or not. I recall saying that it would be interesting to watch the feature in 2D perhaps to help with that question. I still haven't seen it in 2D though. Back then I had said that the 3D was interesting and that we didn't need it and I certainly wouldn't buy a 3D panel for the house. I am still of that mindset.

Now I have this sweet 4K panel and like most other panels the 3D is there. Well last night we watched Avatar in 3D in the comfort of our own home. I was concerned when we were sitting down that my wife might complain and punt. When we tried 3D on other panels in the showroom, she had complained that it hurt, that it was giving her a headache and I had felt that she was close to saying that she wouldn't watch anything like that.

Now to be fair she did only try on some active 3D glasses; The demo was on a 1080p set; She was standing probably too close to the screen at that point; And, the content I think was converted to 3D. It was not filmed for 3D.

Okay so last night. I think she said "Oh! Wow!" maybe 6 or 7 times through the movie. Afterwards she declared that the experience "was a lot more comfortable than she thought it was going to be". And now I'd bet that when we sit down to watch Avatar again she won't want to bother in 2D. So what made the difference?

First I think being in your own home starts you out at a level of comfort. Secondly, there isn't the sales situation hanging over your head. I mean, we have made the investment and so you are watching now for your entertainment and not trying to find excuses to help protect your life savings from vulture sales people. It sounds silly but can bias you to some extent.

More importantly I can't say enough about the 3D experience with passive glasses on a 4K panel. It gives you a full brightness 1080p image. You are not time-sharing pixels between eyes! The glasses are light weight (and inexpensive). You do not have to worry about batteries or synchronizing the glasses with the panel. There is absolutely no flicker!

Except for a couple of moments early in the movie where I felt that I needed to reset my eyes, the 3D was seamless. From what I remember it was every bit as good as that in the theater. It was a very positive experience. I will be looking to get additional 3D content now.

So I think there were a couple of scenes in the movie where they had to simulate the 3D. I am not sure. Most of the movie had a continuous depth to it. That is very nice. There were a couple of times where I think the depth became layered. I don't blame them if they had to do that. Those were very minor and brief scenes. I bet they made the trade-off for plot which is probably the way it should be. All in all though... very nice!!

I believe that Prometheus was shot for 3D. I'll have to get that one. I tend toward science fiction and action films. Any others that any of you would recommend for 3D? This LG 84LM9600 is 3D heaven!

I did skip over telling you all about how I had to rewire so we could watch 3D and that we had to compromise with Neo-6 audio. All because my Pioneer VSX-21TXH's HDMI is not compatible with 3D (and 4K). The Oppo dual HDMI outputs won't run at different HDMI levels and so the Split A/V mode would not send audio to the AVR that my AVR would accept. I couldn't get the lossless HD audio stream to the AVR using the Oppo optical out (had lip sync issues with that as well) and the analog 7.7 outputs... the AVR only accepted 5.1 input and I figure there would be sync issues with that as well. So long story short, I am looking now to upgrade the AVR.

But the 3D video from the monster panel! Really cool!

Bruce

Originally Posted by bscloutier 

No. Not really.

None of these effects have in any way detracted from the quality during any movie in my opinion. You have to be really picky and really watch to see anything and even then you are not sure that you see it. When the back lighting is obvious is when you are walking left and right through the scenes menu in pause on Roku. And then only when you have LED dimming set to LOW.

Most of the time when the screen goes black and a title is displayed or credits start to role, I am impressed with how black it is. Of course this is not an 84" 4K plasma panel.

Originally Posted by bscloutier 

The back lighting effects haven't been an issue for me in watching Blu-rays, satellite or Roku. You really have to be specifically looking for it. Frankly, this is so much less of an issue than a half dozen things that we lived with in the rear projection set. And, we were happy with that for so many years.

As for Audio Sync... Go back to Post #6 in this thread. This can be an issue and it is likely that your system can deal with it. It just helps to know what is needed.

Originally Posted by MCaugusto 

Have you guys read the review at digital trends.com which is found as a link on the first page of googling "LG84LM9600" ?
There is a video showing how essential it is to use its "zone dimming" LEDs and you can clearly see its dreaded edge illumination when set to OFF but turning dimming to LOW or MEDIUM - but not HIGH, according to reviewer - resolves the problem almost completely with a full black onscreen image going totally dark.
He also noticed very faint vertical banding every 2 1/2 inches to 3 inches that could be seen especially with large images displaying light pastel colors.
Meanwhile, the review of the LG 55LM8600 at Home Theater Magazine pointed out that its LED edge-light dimming function was outstanding with a black floor level at or below 0.001 ft-L, which is the minimum reliable reading of the luminance meter used, and i imagine that LG uses the same type of LED edge-light dimming tech on all these new sets.
It was also mentioned the poor native contrast ratio of these IPS panels from LG, with a reading of less than 1.000:1 Full On/Full Off AND the best horizontal viewing angle of all LCD panels tested (as expected), and that is why a well implemented LED dimming function is essential for these panels.

Originally Posted by Jon Martin 

I agree with you on the 3D same experience through and through. I do have avatar 3D and prometheus 3D and I like Prometheus better for the 3D mode from my Oppo BDP-103. The comfort of the 3D glasses are above on another level compared to my Panasonic active 3D glasses in my other room.

Originally Posted by bscloutier 

1. The "TV" (I avoid the term... seems archaic to me) comes with 6 pair (3 boxes of 2) or at least mine did. I was under the assumption that the theater glasses would work. I have a pair around here but haven't found them yet to try. There are "Dual Play" glasses (a pair has two left eyes and a pair has two right eyes in essence). I had to buy a pair separately of those and haven't tried that feature yet.,
2. Yes it ships in a wooden crate all bolted together. Inside it is in a box supported by Styrofoam. It is also wrapped in a thermal blanket.
3. The stand is not attached but is easily attached. My set is on the wall though. Making connections with the panel mounted 1-1/2" off the wall is a particular challenge. It is not like you can easily lift it off. That is a team effort.

Originally Posted by bscloutier 

Seth,

If you don't use "just Scan" you end up with a lot of overscan and maybe 5% is off screen. With Just scan the entire image field fits exactly on screen. That's a real pleasure to see if you are at all familiar with projection setups.

I have the True Motion turned OFF. While it seems to perform well, I believe that the panel gets too far behind the incoming video and has to skip a bunch of frames every half second or so. I've coined this as a "Cha-Cha" affect. It is only apparent when certain types of steady motion occurs. So... with True Motion off there is no "soap opera" look and no "cha-cha" (if the camera follows someone walking past a continuous field of background image you can play the Cha-Cha tune in your head and on the pause imagine the character jerking forward a tiny bit -- annoying enough).

Most of the setting issues that I have had relate to the audio and in making sure that the panel is cooperating with my AVR to produce the correct and delicate combination that makes the "lip sync" work. I have a 3+ year old AVR and it predates the ARC capabilities in HDMI.

I had thought to share my calibration experience and to post about the wall mounting. I haven't had time. I did try to make a time lapse of the installation but the (free) software that I used crashed unknowingly and the attempt failed.

Originally Posted by bscloutier 

It just switches into 3D on its own and I haven't adjusted any settings from what are otherwise set. The 2D to 3D conversion is a bit interesting but falls short of realistic. There is enough strangeness to cause your brain to go on strike. I find that I break out laughing when something unnatural occurs when you know better what should be. I can only stand about a minute of that but it is a very good test mode for 3D operation. Toss a 3D disk in the Oppo and the panel flashes a pop-up telling me that it is in 3D mode and away you go... helps to put on the glasses.

The calibrator tells me that he was taught that the first step is to "turn off all the crap". He explains that this means everything that tries to process the image like True Motion, Energy Saver, LED Dimming and all of that. It messes with the calibration procedure. I pretty much have left most of the "crap" off. I do have the LED Dimming set to LOW. I also have the Oppo set for 1080p output resolution. I prefer to let the panel do the up-conversion. If I switch the Oppo to 4K the images are still great but there is a slight difference that I cannot put my finger on. So... I prefer letting the panel do what it knows best there.

Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma 

One would actually be surprised how easy it is to wall mount, as long as one is "semi" handy. Its not a rocket science, the main part is, secure the wall plate correctly for your application ( Meaning lag bolts for wood 2 X 4, Tap Cons for Brick and concrete walls ). Once this is done, hang from the wall mount, if it does not rip out of the wall, your good