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post #421 of 1095
Spoke with LG VIP service this morning.

According to them they are field testing a number of fixes for the backlight and shadowing issues, but are not ready to "roll them out" as of yet. Also, there are NO DIFFERENCES in the sets coming off the assembly lines now vs. earlier.

I gave them all of my info to contact me as soon as there is a fix being rolled out.

THEY ARE PLANNING TO FIX ALL THE SETS IN THE FIELD!

It should take between 1-2 months according to the rep I spoke with.
post #422 of 1095
WOW--quite a difference from Sony
post #423 of 1095
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Originally Posted by MCaugusto View Post

Home Theater magazine just tested the 84" Sony UHD model and considering it uses the same LCD panel as the LG 84LM9600 we can expect test results to be essentially the same, with the exception of video processing/scaler.
The highlights were : good white-field uniformity (not perfect. no video display is), good black-level uniformity from LED edge lighting with the exception that when displaying a small pause bug onscreen you'll notice a fuzzy, lightened grey vertical stripe because the LED edge lighting is top and bottom (top to bottom), but that was barely visible on normal program material.
Solid blacks on dark scenes with plenty of detail shown, and after calibration full-on/full-off contrast ratio of 37,140:1 ft-L with measured brightness of 37 foot Lamberts (very bright), thus minimum measured black level of 0.001 ft-L, which is excellent performance bordering "Kuro territory".
As expected, because it is an IPS LCD panel, the viewing angle was much, much better than competitors that do not use that same type of panel but the price paid is one of the worst native contrast ratio i have seen in years, 865:1, compared to Sharp LCD panels that go as high as 3,000:1 native contrast, so LED dynamic control is essential for these IPS panels; The reviewer mentioned that LG's implementation of LED dynamic control is excellent as he never saw any obvious brightness pumping with control on "Standard".
Interesting enough the Sony model failed to pass some video processing tests - HD and SD motion adaptive deinterlacing, SD 3:2 pulldown and rolled-off high-frequency Chroma burst resolution - and it does not have any CMS available; Considering it has a list price of $25,000.00 and in this day and age most high-end flat panel displays have full CMS and grey-scale tracking adjustments, this is inexcusable as far as i am concerned.
BTW, LG's own video processing-scaler performance has been getting great reviews at Home Theater magazine for the past two years or so and i imagine that the 84LM9600 has full CMS ?
Marcos

The LG has tons of professional ISF adjustment options. I haven't delved into that section of the video adjustments, because you really need to know what you're doing to mess with all that. But as far as I know, this TV has all necessary picture adjustments, and then some.
post #424 of 1095
I would say a 35 to 40 % improvement in the new panel..You can still see banding but its better then the last one.

LG is top notch they will figure out a way to get rid of them I'm sure...

Tj8xp......
post #425 of 1095
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Originally Posted by Ted99 View Post

Went to my local Sony store yesterday to look at the 4K 84", as there are no LG 84" in Houston, that I have been able to find. They have an excellent display system with touchpad switching among native 4K demo material, 1080p Blu-ray, 3D and DirecTV. I was particularly interested in the DirecTV material, since that's what we watch on the TV (We have a Sim2 3DLP FP in a dedicated HT for Blu-ray). My wife has as yet been unwilling to go to an 80"+ display because the DirecTV picture is soft due to the large pixels. After seeing the Sony with DirecTV up converted to 4K, she is "all in". I had to restrain her to wait for HDMI 2.0 (supposedly for release 3/4 Q of this year). The 4K demo material was stunning, as expected; and the up converted 1080i DirecTV CNN signal viewed from 6' had the sharpness of the picture from a 50" 1080p panel at 6'. I wouldn't go near a Sony new release product, so the LG it is for us, and we DO NOT want the earflap speakers or any of the other added bells and whistles Sony adds to the LG panel.

I LOVE the elegant, yet minimalist design of the LG as opposed to the Sony. LG's decision to have the 10 speaker system integrated into the TV, instead of attached speakers like the Sony, is perfect! The TV is not any wider than it needs to be, making it much easier to fit. If I had the Sony in my setup, I would have had to move the left and right main speakers over about 4 inches on each side. With the LG I didn't have to touch the speakers at all.L:) Also the fit and finish on the LG is first class all the way! Metal and glass make for a very striking presentation.smile.gif
post #426 of 1095
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Originally Posted by PeterS View Post

Spoke with LG VIP service this morning.

According to them they are field testing a number of fixes for the backlight and shadowing issues, but are not ready to "roll them out" as of yet. Also, there are NO DIFFERENCES in the sets coming off the assembly lines now vs. earlier.

I gave them all of my info to contact me as soon as there is a fix being rolled out.

THEY ARE PLANNING TO FIX ALL THE SETS IN THE FIELD!

It should take between 1-2 months according to the rep I spoke with.

Thanks for sharing this info with us.wink.gif

So I think the best thing to do (at least for me anyway), is to have a little patience, and see what fix they come up with and how well it works. Because as you said, all the panels currently being made are no different than the ones currently in our sets. So if a panel swap were to be performed now, it's a gamble of it being better as far as the banding is concerned.

Hopefully within a few months they will have the solution ready, and if so, then at that time I will move on getting mine fixed.
post #427 of 1095
I understand that it is rumored that they could swap out the HDMI board to add HDMI 2.0, but it doesn't seem logical to me that the panel would automatically support 60fps at 4k, seems that that would be more then just adding hdmi 2.0 to the tv.... Any thoughts?
post #428 of 1095
I asked the techs that came to my house and yes its that simple to swap out the whole input board and it has
on it the chip that controls HDMI input ect.

The process is simple and would take a tech about 25 min to do. Hell I saw how they opened the set it was dam easy.

I only wish I could do it as I would be a lot more methodical about it lol....

Tj8xp....................
post #429 of 1095
I'm not disputing the fact that the hdmi board can be changed, I am just saying I would find it odd that the display panel would automatically support a higher frame rate just by changing the the hdmi board. I don't know much about panels, but I thought it would be the panel that would be the caveat.

I hope they can, and it is just that easy though!
post #430 of 1095
So what 2D and 3D Blu-ray's have you all watched on your new 4K TV's that you consider to be reference? Absolute best PQ!

Last night I watched The Last Stand, and it really impressed me with how crisp and detailed it looked. Great colors, excellent night time scenes to show how well the black levels are, and daytime scenes that were bright and beautiful. Fun movie btw, and a keeper in my opinion.smile.gif

Other recommendations for excellent PQ:

The Impossible
Gangster Squad
Samsara


Best looking 3D Blu-ray's I've seen so far:

Jurassic Park
Life of Pi
Avatar
The Hobbit
post #431 of 1095
Excellent PQ in Blu-ray

Gandhi
Lawrence of Arabia
The Karate Kid (4K Mastered)
Samsara
The Story of India (BBC)
Re Mastered West Side Story

3D

Life of Pi
Alice in Wonderland
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post #432 of 1095
In Sony's 4K Brochure they tout "triluminos" display with a wider color range. It says the 55" and 65" sets have it, but not the 84". From this, I infer that the LG panel still has 8-bit color.
post #433 of 1095
LG called back today regarding the problem of the set not recognizing any inputs that I reported last Friday wanting additional information. After 2 hours last Friday the set worked ok again and I reported that info Monday to a different person who would relay the news to my initial contact. So the wires got crossed somewhere. I reminded her that I had requested a regular remote which she will send out.

Regarding the banding issue she consulted with a trainer and reported that they were aware of the issue and are researching with available technology today and had no idea of when a resolution might occur. She tried to explain the problem as shadowing from the light from one side to the other. She did say that they could send someone over but I will wait to see if there is a solution first.

The bad news is that LG has stopped production of the 84" with no further production at this time. She did not know how many sets have been made or if new smaller 4k sets will be made in the future.
post #434 of 1095
They said they have stopped production of the 84"?
post #435 of 1095
NSX I'm sure they can swap your input board no problem !

As far as them stopping production I was told 2000 set's were the Max they were doing so it makes sense.

Hope you get that all straight NSX LG is super good they should make it painless for you smile.gif

O and Robinsj as far as refresh I would think since the panel can do 60 and 120 in 1080P ect the panel itself is ready for a higher refresh from what I'm told.

However we do need two things one is a new bluray player or game box and content that is in coded with 60P and 120P like mabey the PS4 ????

And last but not lease we need the new HDMI board and logic set to pass the extra percentage of information from the PS4 ect lol I think lol...biggrin.gif

Tj8xp.....................
post #436 of 1095
I hear you, you probably are right about the panel refresh rate. The ps4 will play 4k, but only movies, it won't be playing video games at 4k, from what I have read.

So they stopped making the LG? No plans on making it any further? Why would they stop, from what I understand they have been selling really well.
post #437 of 1095
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Excellent PQ in Blu-ray

Gandhi
Lawrence of Arabia
The Karate Kid (4K Mastered)
Samsara
The Story of India (BBC)
Re Mastered West Side Story

3D

Life of Pi
Alice in Wonderland
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Thanks for the list.smile.gif I need to check out Alice in Wonderland.
post #438 of 1095
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Originally Posted by NSX1992 View Post

LG called back today regarding the problem of the set not recognizing any inputs that I reported last Friday wanting additional information. After 2 hours last Friday the set worked ok again and I reported that info Monday to a different person who would relay the news to my initial contact. So the wires got crossed somewhere. I reminded her that I had requested a regular remote which she will send out.

Regarding the banding issue she consulted with a trainer and reported that they were aware of the issue and are researching with available technology today and had no idea of when a resolution might occur. She tried to explain the problem as shadowing from the light from one side to the other. She did say that they could send someone over but I will wait to see if there is a solution first.

The bad news is that LG has stopped production of the 84" with no further production at this time. She did not know how many sets have been made or if new smaller 4k sets will be made in the future.

Well that's too bad that they stopped production of this TV.frown.gif But at least they made 2000 84" TV's compared to the 200 Sony made. And if LG sticks with their promise to support owners of this TV, and follows through with a fix for the banding, this will really say a lot for them.

So how is your TV behaving now? Is it recognizing the inputs okay?
post #439 of 1095
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Originally Posted by Tj8xp View Post

NSX I'm sure they can swap your input board no problem !

As far as them stopping production I was told 2000 set's were the Max they were doing so it makes sense.

Hope you get that all straight NSX LG is super good they should make it painless for you smile.gif

O and Robinsj as far as refresh I would think since the panel can do 60 and 120 in 1080P ect the panel itself is ready for a higher refresh from what I'm told.

However we do need two things one is a new bluray player or game box and content that is in coded with 60P and 120P like mabey the PS4 ????

And last but not lease we need the new HDMI board and logic set to pass the extra percentage of information from the PS4 ect lol I think lol...biggrin.gif

Tj8xp.....................

So how is everything with the new panel? How is the banding? And how much less visible is it compared to the old panel?
post #440 of 1095
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Thanks for the list.smile.gif I need to check out Alice in Wonderland.

Yes Alice in Wonderland was shot in 3D. It was not added later.
Have you seen The Karate Kid, it is stunning, the best I have seen on my set. Well worth watching, the detail is amazing. It is actually a good movie with Will Smith's son playing the lead.
post #441 of 1095
Has anyone redeemed the LG offer of free subscription to view major league baseball? First I guess you have to be a baseball fan but you can request to have it. I assume it runs through the apps.

http://www.lg.com/us/tv-audio-video/discoverlgtvs/mlb/index.jsp
post #442 of 1095
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Yes Alice in Wonderland was shot in 3D. It was not added later.
Have you seen The Karate Kid, it is stunning, the best I have seen on my set. Well worth watching, the detail is amazing. It is actually a good movie with Will Smith's son playing the lead.

Hmm, I thought I read online that Alice in Wonderland was post converted 3D, I guess I was wrong?

Thanks for telling me about how amazing the new Karate Kid movie looks on Blu-ray. Did you watch the Mastered In 4K Blu-ray edition?

From what I've read, and from what I've seen myself, stay away from the 3D version of Drive Angry. For some reason, that 3D Blu-ray is problematic when viewed on passive 3D TV's. The problem apparently is that the stereo pairs runs out of sync with one side coming in a frame or two earlier than the other one. This makes viewing the movie very hard on the eyes, especially the night sequences.

Another that only had one issue was Journey 2 the Mysterious Island. During the last part of the movie, when Dwayne Johnson and Josh Hutcherson are in the Nautilus, when the water drains from the air lock, the 3D sides are out of alignment! It makes that particular scene totally unwatchable, and if you do try to watch it, it really messes with your eyes. If you watch this movie in 3D just do not look at the screen during that segment.

Other than that part, the rest of the movie is fine. And from what I've read this is a fault with the way they did the 3D on the movie. I don't know if it was the same way at the theater.

Another title that has the stereo pairs running out of sync is an import called A Turtles Tale: Sammy's Adventure. Supposed to have some really wow you 3D, but very hard on the eyes.

If anyone else here has seen (or heard) about a 3D Blu-ray that is not good, please share.


Seth
post #443 of 1095
^ Yes the 4K Mastered 'Karate Kid'. Very sharp detail.
post #444 of 1095
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

^ Yes the 4K Mastered 'Karate Kid'. Very sharp detail.

Very cool!smile.gif I will be ordering that one then, along with the original Spiderman Mastered in 4K.

On the subject of good looking Blu-ray's, I watched Cloud Atlas last night, and I thought it looked stunning! Many scenes were extremely detailed and crisp. The colors on this movie are also very vivid. Very deep and complex story, but I found it to be very entertaining and fascinating. I liked it!smile.gif
post #445 of 1095
Funny I just ordered Cloud Atlas from Netflix. Looking forward to viewing now.

Just bought Glory and Angles and Demons, both are 4K mastered. After seeing Karate Kid I want more, more!!
post #446 of 1095
Its nice to see some good in depth reviews about this set. Even though its out of my price range I'm looking to get the LG60LA8600 and have heard good things about this set as well. I bet if the 84" LG was full LED that the picture would be something to drool over for sure.
post #447 of 1095
Some calibration settings for the LG xxLM9600.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1338560188
Edited by dreaux - 5/25/13 at 6:51am
post #448 of 1095
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Funny I just ordered Cloud Atlas from Netflix. Looking forward to viewing now.

Just bought Glory and Angles and Demons, both are 4K mastered. After seeing Karate Kid I want more, more!!

I think you're going to enjoy it.smile.gif And if anything, you're going to revel in the exceptional PQ!wink.gif

I know what you mean, after you watch super high quality stuff, you want more.smile.gif

I'm curious, how are you enjoying the 3D? What did you think of Life of Pi?
post #449 of 1095
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Originally Posted by CaptinCrunch View Post

Its nice to see some good in depth reviews about this set. Even though its out of my price range I'm looking to get the LG60LA8600 and have heard good things about this set as well. I bet if the 84" LG was full LED that the picture would be something to drool over for sure.

The PQ as it stands with its edge lighting, is nothing short of phenomenal! And about the only complaint us owners have had with this TV is the banding. Other than that, this TV is AWESOME! Yes, if it had used a full array backlight with local dimming, had an upgrade module option like the super expensive Samsung 85", and been offered at a price point of under $20,000, this TV would be the "ultimate"!
post #450 of 1095
I guess it's an edge lit LED thing, as even the new Sony 4K TV's exhibit vertical banding. The horizontal banding is much less visible, but the vertical banding is obvious. So on grayish, misty/foggy, or wintery scenes I'm sure it's quite apparent. I'm sure the degree of it will vary from set to set just like the LG, but it's interesting to note that it's there as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzUaDfne3NM&feature=youtu.be
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