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post #601 of 1097
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Originally Posted by JlgLaw View Post

Thanks SL, that's good advice, but earlier today I pulled the trigger on the Sony, should be here in about a week. I do agree that the LG is an excellent panel, so I'm hopeful the Sony will be as well. I've seen it, but only running that standard 4K demo loop they use, which is nice, but didn't really drive my decision. We'll see......in any case it should be fun to play with going forward.smile.gif

This thread has been very helpful, so thanks to all that have contributed to the info flow on the LG panel.


Jim

Congratulations on the 84" Sony 4K TV. Talk about the ultimate gaming TV!

Be sure to share some pics of the TV, as well as your impressions.smile.gif
post #602 of 1097
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Are you guys noticing more 4K material surfacing ??

4K material is still pretty scarce at the moment.
post #603 of 1097
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Originally Posted by NSX1992 View Post

Cave of Forgotten Dreams was an important discovery in 1994 but don't expect great video. The outside shots have excellent 3D but inside the cave the photographers were limited by light and shaky video. The caves have the earliest art work but the caves themselves are not that great.

I am using your LG settings which are similar to mine to experiment but I don't really see any differences.

I don't see any glare of my glasses in the LG 3D glasses.

I also ordered Cleopatra (I have DVD version) but the cheaper 50th anniversary version without the book. Also Taxi Driver in 4k Master as I do not have it.

Good to know, thanks for sharing.wink.gif

Maybe I notice the reflections a bit more, as my prescription glasses have a bit of a curved frame.

Way cool on the Cleopatra 50th Anniversary Blu-ray, and the Taxi Driver Mastered in 4K!smile.gif
post #604 of 1097
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

4K material is still pretty scarce at the moment.

We may be getting a little movement.

" Comcast will provide the first public demonstration of U.S.-based delivery of 4K Ultra HD video which can take place over its existing network."

http://www.deadline.com/2013/06/brian-roberts-vows-new-set-top-box-features-will-set-pace-for-innovation-cable-show/
post #605 of 1097
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Congratulations on the 84" Sony 4K TV. Talk about the ultimate gaming TV!

Be sure to share some pics of the TV, as well as your impressions.smile.gif



Thanks, and I'll certainly post my impressions, and try (have not done it successfully to date) to post pics.


Jim
post #606 of 1097
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

We may be getting a little movement.

" Comcast will provide the first public demonstration of U.S.-based delivery of 4K Ultra HD video which can take place over its existing network."

http://www.deadline.com/2013/06/brian-roberts-vows-new-set-top-box-features-will-set-pace-for-innovation-cable-show/




I think those folks that consistently state we are a long way off of regular 4K content, including some that have posted as "industry insiders" (not in this thread) will be surprised by years end and certainly by this time next year.



Jim
post #607 of 1097
Can someone post a link for a grey test background that shows banding and the black background that shows light bleeding so I can take a picture of mine to show you how bad the light bleeding is on the 4 corners as well as along the top and bottom of the panel.
That is my main complaint with the LG tv.
I'd like to know if this problem is the norm or if I got a bad one.
I'd also like to know if anyone has gotten LG to come to their house and fix or at least reduce the light bleeding or if its just the norm with edge lit sets and something I have to live with.
Other than that problem, I'm very happy with my purchase and I like it much better than the 65" Sony I previously had.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
Edited by y2j - 6/14/13 at 12:09am
post #608 of 1097
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Originally Posted by y2j View Post

Can someone post a link for a grey test background that shows banding and the black background that shows light bleeding so I can take a picture of mine to show you how bad the light bleeding is on the 4 corners as well as along the top and bottom of the panel.
That is my main complaint with the LG tv.
I'd like to know if this problem is the norm or if I got a bad one.
I'd also like to know if anyone has gotten LG to come to their house and fix or at least reduce the light bleeding or if its just the norm with edge lit sets and something I have to live with.
Other than that problem, I'm very happy with my purchase and I like it much better than the 65" Sony I previously had.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.

There is a AVS forum disc you can make. Download, decompress and you will have an ISO file. Burn that to a DVD (unless you have a Blu-ray burner). It has a number of charts including grey.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
post #609 of 1097
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Originally Posted by y2j View Post

Can someone post a link for a grey test background that shows banding and the black background that shows light bleeding so I can take a picture of mine to show you how bad the light bleeding is on the 4 corners as well as along the top and bottom of the panel.
That is my main complaint with the LG tv.
I'd like to know if this problem is the norm or if I got a bad one.
I'd also like to know if anyone has gotten LG to come to their house and fix or at least reduce the light bleeding or if its just the norm with edge lit sets and something I have to live with.
Other than that problem, I'm very happy with my purchase and I like it much better than the 65" Sony I previously had.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.

On my set, the light bleed from the edge lighting is very very minimal. It is only slightly visible on a totally black background, and not in any way distracting. I have local dimming set to low, and on the HDMI input I use for Blu-ray playback I have dynamic contrast set to low.

To me it looks really black with those engaged. Light bleed is a very common thing with edge lit sets, but it should only be slightly visible. There is no way it will be 100% absent though, and to some degree it will be visible. Just the nature of the technology.
post #610 of 1097
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

On my set, the light bleed from the edge lighting is very very minimal. It is only slightly visible on a totally black background, and not in any way distracting. I have local dimming set to low, and on the HDMI input I use for Blu-ray playback I have dynamic contrast set to low.

To me it looks really black with those engaged. Light bleed is a very common thing with edge lit sets, but it should only be slightly visible. There is no way it will be 100% absent though, and to some degree it will be visible. Just the nature of the technology.

What is the best way to show how bad mine is? Should i just pause a letterbox movie and take a picture of that?
Or is there an all black test pattern that would show this problem off better?
I think my set is abnormal because the light bleeding is very noticable even when watching a movie.
I may have to call LG and see if they can replace the panel...for anyone that has had this done what is the best number to call, who to talk to, etc.?
post #611 of 1097
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Originally Posted by y2j View Post

What is the best way to show how bad mine is? Should i just pause a letterbox movie and take a picture of that?
Or is there an all black test pattern that would show this problem off better?
I think my set is abnormal because the light bleeding is very noticable even when watching a movie.
I may have to call LG and see if they can replace the panel...for anyone that has had this done what is the best number to call, who to talk to, etc.?

Who did you buy it from? Can you exchange it? Take a picture of letterbox scene or the black just before a movie starts or even the black between commercials, and post it here.

The number to call is 877 543 8325 for Executive services. I don't have any of the issues you have at least not to the degree you are experiencing.
post #612 of 1097
Got 'Cleopatra' and 4K mastered 'Total Recall" today. 'Total Recall' looked quite good, but because it has many dark scenes it is difficult to see a sharper picture.

'Cleopatra' looked great in some scenes and average in others. But still worth buying just to see the epic sets without the benefit of computer animation.
post #613 of 1097
Hi guys

Ok, so the ghost/enhancement that I posted back on (I think) page 19 - it's an artifact of the 84LM9600's 2K -> 4K conversion. The 4K generator that LG brought to my dealer wasn't what I was expecting; it was a device that looped 2160p images (a mixture of stills and motion video). The source material was a bit disappointing since some looked good and some had edge enhancement applied. Compression artefacts was also present when getting closer to the screen. Fine details were blurred because of compression somwhere from where ever the source originated to the generator that was producing the images. Since I don't know where these images came from or how they were authored, it's all up in the air. Strangely, MPEG-2 compression was used at a fixed bitrate of 160MBPS. I thought we were well beyond MPEG-2 in 2013...but I guess not!

Back to the LG's Ultra HD upscaling...

Since there were no test patterns in the generator, I used the Spears & Munsil disc's sharpness pattern through LG's Blu-ray player with a Monster M1000 HDMI cable directly to the TV. Sending the sharpness pattern out of the player, set at 1080p and Ultra HD upscaling in the player turned OFF, the TV created the ghost/enhancement alongside all lines in my calibrated mode (using ISF Expert 1). The single-pixel multiburst pattern was also less defined between each on/off line much like what I saw with the multiburst on my 1080p test pattern generator. Setting the Blu-ray player to "auto" resolution and Ultra HD upscaling turned ON, the ghost/enhancement lines disappeared 100%. They were solid from the black edge to the gray background. Looking at the single-pixel multiburst pattern, I could clearly see two horizontal pixel rows turned on, and two turned off (just about...). They appeared to be the same intensity as the wider columns, whereas with the TV's upscaler dimmed the single pixel columns in comparison.

With this TV, I recommend using an external 4K upscaler rather than the one in the TV. You'd still need to test the external scaler because we can't assume they are all good, but at least I've ruled out the 84LM9600's. Their $500 or so Blu-ray player upscaler does a better job. I'm sure the Oppo 4K upscaler does too. Use the S&M disc and check for yourself because anyone can see it. Make sure sharpness is set to 0 in any of the modes you use.

Regards,

Mike
post #614 of 1097
I am very soon to take the plunge and buy the LG 84 uhdtv. I plan to use it with the Apple TV, the marantz sr5007 amp (or similar), and a quality pioneer or similar blu ray player.

Should I be getting a oppo blu ray player (or a red ray player) as well (or instead of the Panasonic)?
IMO the LG inbuilt up scaler worked fantastic when the shop attendant played a blu ray movie on the tv. Is there a real need for the oppo for the average movie buff?

Can standard definition television shows be watched in a smaller window on the screen to avoid the loss of definition when stretched to 84 inches? Is watching standard definition television shows disappointing due to the loss of clarity?

Any advice and opinions would be greatly appreciated. smile.gif
Edited by john546 - 6/16/13 at 5:35am
post #615 of 1097
Hi John - do the Oppo. If you value displaying your video correctly, you'll want it. The player follows the rules of video if you want your movies to be output with little to no change. As I mentioned in my previous post, you'll want the external 4K upscaler on your BDs if you want to see all of the detail this panel is capable of (it's a GREAT TV) without the ghost/enhancement that the LG creates, or consider for an A/V receiver/preamp with 4K upscaling. The latter I'd try to do for sure, since you'll want all of your sources to be upped to 4K.
post #616 of 1097
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Originally Posted by Michael Osadciw View Post

Hi John - do the Oppo. If you value displaying your video correctly, you'll want it. The player follows the rules of video if you want your movies to be output with little to no change. As I mentioned in my previous post, you'll want the external 4K upscaler on your BDs if you want to see all of the detail this panel is capable of (it's a GREAT TV) without the ghost/enhancement that the LG creates, or consider for an A/V receiver/preamp with 4K upscaling. The latter I'd try to do for sure, since you'll want all of your sources to be upped to 4K.

So you are saying if for instance I am watching a Blu-ray movie with my Oppo 103 let it do the up-scaling to 2160p instead of the LG. I have tried that and don't see any difference in PQ but I didn't have it on very long. I will try it for the length of the movie next time.

Have you had an opportunity to view the up-scaling abilities of the Sony 84"? I did notice the Sony up-scaling was a little better than on the LG.
post #617 of 1097
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post


Have you had an opportunity to view the up-scaling abilities of the Sony 84"? I did notice the Sony up-scaling was a little better than on the LG.


I finally had the opportunity to see both the LG and Sony 84"'s upscale 1080p to 4K, BUT, not simultaneously. I think in fairness to both displays a person would really have to see the same 1080p content from the same source in an A/B comparison in order to accurately judge any differences. That said, I had two days separating the viewings but did play the same BR movie on both displays and in my mind the Sony was noticeably better. It is important to note the BR player was different in each setup (but both were Oppo models) and to my knowledge unlike the Sony, the LG had not been professionally calibrated. Either of these two factors could also account for the differences I saw in the images. So, back to my original point, not sure these viewings have much value under those circumstances. More importantly, it sounds as if the LG owner's are very happy with their displays, as they should be given the images I saw.



Jim
post #618 of 1097
I get my LG monday now ive a 55ins tv
I miss going to the cinema so watching sky movies uk
In july skyfall (james bond) s on
post #619 of 1097
Hi Dreaux - yes, that's what I'm saying. The Oppo comes with a S&M disc, so you can take a peek at what I'm talking about if you wanted to by trying the same thing. I haven't tested the Sony yet. That's next on my list as soon as I get the chance. My goal is to not find flaws in these TVs, but rather how to enjoy the best images from them. I again stress that the LG makes wonderful images.

Mike
post #620 of 1097
The trouble with external up-scaling is the LG goes to 2160p at 30Hz. I watch a lot of sports and the 30Hz makes the movement choppy. On blu-rays the 30Hz shouldn't be too noticeable.
Until HDMI 2.0 comes out we are stuck at 30Hz and LG may not fit the 84" with a hardware upgrade.
post #621 of 1097
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Originally Posted by NSX1992 View Post

Yes I have and they are both worth buying. Oz starts out in a small screen in b&w but then expands to a beautiful colorful world. The 3D is deep and also popouts. Hansel and Gretel is also excellent. I have my movie friends couple coming over tonight to watch Jack The Giant Slayer. The giants are really big and ugly who live in the clouds reached by the beanstalk. The 3D is ok but the movie is probably not worth buying. Get the first two.

I am really enjoying this tv. Playing Metro Last Light in 3D is just like being there as you make your way through the tunnels.

At E3 yesterday there was no mention of 4K or 3D by either Microsoft or Sony. Of course the exposition is primarily for gamers. The Xbox One will retail for $499 and the PS4 for only $399.

Thanks for the recommendations on Oz and Hansel and Gretel.wink.gif I watched them both and they were awesome!!! 3D is excellent on both, but Hansel and Gretel had more wow factor on the 3D effects.smile.gif The detail, colors, and overall clarity on Oz is jaw dropping! Imo, both of these 3D Blu-ray's are MUST HAVES for owners of this LG TV!

You mentioned that Jack the Giant Slayer as a movie was so so, but in your opinion, does the 3D aspect add anything to the experience? If I were to buy the Blu-ray, is it worthwhile watching the 3D version over the 2D? Are there any pop-out moments? What about the depth of the picture?
post #622 of 1097
I'm confused, the LG upscales everything to 2160 30HZ? I watch a lot of sports also.
post #623 of 1097
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Originally Posted by Sir_Mark View Post

I'm confused, the LG upscales everything to 2160 30HZ? I watch a lot of sports also.

No the LG doesn't up-scale to 2160p 30Hz. Only if you feed it from a 4K up-scaling external device like using a blu-ray player or AVR that can up-scale to 4K. Then the LG displays 2160p 30Hz. My AVR can up-scale to 4K and when I do that the LG runs at 2160p 30Hz which makes my Directv sports like baseball choppy, so I just let the LG up-scale the 1080p source. I hope that explanation makes sense.
post #624 of 1097
dreaux - thanks for that bit of info. Because I haven't spent as much time with the set as you have, information like that is useful. Clearly there will be some growing pains as we shift to 4K!
post #625 of 1097
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Originally Posted by Jon Martin View Post

If any one is looking for one of these I have a lightly used set available in the classifieds section. Or you can just PM. I'm going to try out the Samsung 85" next.

Thanks go out to all the owners on this thread who helped me decide to get this LG TV, but additional and biggest thanks to Jon Martin for making his lightly used set available at a price I couldn't say "No" to! Not only that, but he went the extra mile(s) and delivered it himself, braving the Los Angeles freeways during rush hour.

Jon's a great guy who delivers on his promises, really knows his AV, and I'd highly recommend his services to anyone who could use them.

Of course, you all know how great this LG set is, so I don't have to rave about it. We chose "Life of Pi" for our first 3D movie to watch this weekend, and weren't disappointed.

My biggest surprise with this television: How good the 2D to 3D conversion is. Sure, you can see spatial mistakes here and there if you're looking for them. But it gets most of the picture pretty close to right, and when you're immersed in what you're watching and not looking for mistakes, your brain will (in most cases) just correct the small parts of the picture that are handled wrong automatically, not unlike how our brains automatically know how to understand the correct 3D reality when we view 2D pictures. I probably won't use this 2D to 3D conversion for TV shows or movies that were shot in 2D and intended to be viewed that way. But so far, I like it for live stuff, like news programs and sports, that I watch a lot of.
post #626 of 1097
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

Thanks for the recommendations on Oz and Hansel and Gretel.wink.gif I watched them both and they were awesome!!! 3D is excellent on both, but Hansel and Gretel had more wow factor on the 3D effects.smile.gif The detail, colors, and overall clarity on Oz is jaw dropping! Imo, both of these 3D Blu-ray's are MUST HAVES for owners of this LG TV!

You mentioned that Jack the Giant Slayer as a movie was so so, but in your opinion, does the 3D aspect add anything to the experience? If I were to buy the Blu-ray, is it worthwhile watching the 3D version over the 2D? Are there any pop-out moments? What about the depth of the picture?
After watching Jack the Giant Slayer again and positive comments from my friends I can now recommend it. The 3D is fine and deep and is certainly better than watching in 2D. I was concerned more about the story but since you enjoyed the first two so much you will also like this one.

A note in 3D Guru states that Sony PS4 and Xbox One will both play 4K videos but only Xbox 4K games. Of course no 4K material was announced at E3 and I have not seen Microsoft verifying the 4K game capability.
post #627 of 1097
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

No the LG doesn't up-scale to 2160p 30Hz. Only if you feed it from a 4K up-scaling external device like using a blu-ray player or AVR that can up-scale to 4K. Then the LG displays 2160p 30Hz. My AVR can up-scale to 4K and when I do that the LG runs at 2160p 30Hz which makes my Directv sports like baseball choppy, so I just let the LG up-scale the 1080p source. I hope that explanation makes sense.

Hi Dreaux,

Yes, that makes sense, thank you. After doing more research I realized that what was happening.

Question; Do people here use TruMotion? Too much of that will cause the SOE, right?

Thank you for your help.

Mark
post #628 of 1097
I'm new to this forum but have been lurking for a while absorbing all the knowledge, thanks!

Just purchased the LG. I have to reinforce my wall before I mount it, it is for a condo with metal studs, but I can hardly wait to get it up. Hopefully I will not notice the banding that made me think twice before I bought it. I am coming from a house with a theater that I built around a Sony G90 projector which still gives the best film image I can imagine. Cannot get it into a 12 x 15 room in a condo though.
I was going to buy the Panasonic 85 inch plasma, but fortunately I figured out that I could not deal with the heat issues. I had to separately zone my home theater in the house as the G90 and all the amplifiers put out enough heat to roast chestnuts.

I was about to take a plunge and order the LG online, but checked the local BrandsMart who are LG authorized, offered them a few hundred more than what the online vendors are selling for and they agreed with no fuss, upsell etc.

Thanks again for all the great posts on this forum, it rocks.
post #629 of 1097
Still Confused: Please help explain :
I hooked up my new LG 84lm6500 on Tuesday and LOVE the picture!! However I just don't understand the whole up- converting process. I was told by kind fellow AVS member that the TV always up converts- yet the TV never indicates its doing so. I see a huge divergence in picture quality from HD content. How do I know that the TVs up converter is actually on and doing its job ??
When I send an HD signal from my Oppo with its converter on- the TV lets me know its playing in 4K.
post #630 of 1097
The panel is a 4K panel and will upscale all content to that resolution to display it. I do not know of any TV that "tells" you it is upconverting, but perhaps some might have an "info" screen, as we have with projectors and that might tell you the rez. I suspect anytime a 4K signal is being sent to the display it reports as "4K", as opposed to when it receives 1080p or less and upscales internally.



Jim
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