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5.1 Speaker Placement -- Not to beat a dead horse

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Before anyone jumps me... I did do a search on this subject... I read a ton here and elsewhere.

Then I called an AV shop to help me run some inwall speaker wire (Already bought the wire in-wall rated from Monostat)

Now when I bring up 20 articles on speaker placement and tell them I would like the speakers to go at about 90-110 degree from me..on left and right side...

They asked me if I had dipole / bipole. I said no..monopole speakers.

They told me that in a 5.1 the L/R sides standard were for dipole / bipole and that monopole speakers will cancel each other out...so they have to go on the back wall.

This does NOT seem to be what I have read...although it does make sort of sense and they are in the business of doing this.

Should I look at getting biple / dipole for side speakers in a 5.1? Is this "best"?

Or should I just put my monopoles on the back wall? In a perfect world what is best?
post #2 of 9
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1457894/do-you-prefer-bipole-dipole-or-monopole-surround-speakers
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=170720

Tons of info on this subject. IMHO, there is no right answer, it is a preference thing. I personally like my bipole surrounds.
post #3 of 9
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Just to clarify... I am not asking monopoles vs. bi-poles / di-poles. I know that is open to preferance.

I am specifically asking if a 90-110 degree angled Left / Right mounted monopole will cause a cancelation affect and therefore should not be used mounted L/R but rather mounted Rear Only?

If this is the case then the research I did on optimal 5.0 speaker placement means that every 5.0 should and ever 7.0 system must use using bipoles / dipoles...which I know they don't.

Further, if this is the case...then the optimal 5.0 information implies that surrounds will be bipole / dipole...which again seems ...strange.

So this being a logical conclusion ...the AV company must be wrong? That monopole speakers can be mounted 90-110 degrees L/R without creating this cancelation effect?
post #4 of 9
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

Just to clarify... I am not asking monopoles vs. bi-poles / di-poles. I know that is open to preferance.

I am specifically asking if a 90-110 degree angled Left / Right mounted monopole will cause a cancelation affect and therefore should not be used mounted L/R but rather mounted Rear Only?

If this is the case then the research I did on optimal 5.0 speaker placement means that every 5.0 should and ever 7.0 system must use using bipoles / dipoles...which I know they don't.

Further, if this is the case...then the optimal 5.0 information implies that surrounds will be bipole / dipole...which again seems ...strange.

So this being a logical conclusion ...the AV company must be wrong? That monopole speakers can be mounted 90-110 degrees L/R without creating this cancelation effect?

The Dolby 5.1 setup shows monopole mounted 90-110 degrees L/R. Yes, there are lots of people running monopole vs dipole/bipole.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/setup/connection-guide/home-theater-speaker-guide/index.html

Do you have a sketch of your room? Perhaps there is something we are not getting that the AV company knows. And in your original post you asked "what was best" in terms of the type of surround speaker. I am simply trying to explain that this is a preference thing. What is best is what you prefer and your room itself. I have had both monpole and bipole side surrounds and prefer bipole. At this point, you just have the wiring run, correct? You have not purchased speakers?
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Bad use of words on my part...best.. I was basing those words off "Optimal Speaker Placement"...so if this is optimal:

Surround Left & Right Speakers (SL & SR): Place the SL & SR speakers between 90° to 110° to each side and 2 feet or higher above the listener." AND can only be done with bi-pole / di-poles as the AV shop states..then I was trying to figure out...optimal speaker placement vs better speaker.

It all gets confusing I know...probalby my inability to be clearer too.

Basically...they said "two monopoles facing each other cause a cancelation effect in the middle which is why you can never have two monipoles face each other or even close to each other..."

Lol..saving ruined my little diagram...just imagine the TV the far side of the wall smile.gif

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post #6 of 9
Lol, surround monopoles will cancel each other out! What will they think of next. I swear, ya hear a new one every day. To answer your question, no, monopoles in that setup will not cancel each other out to the degree that you have to worry about it. Cancellation can happen, but at those frequencies in that type of setup, you don't have to worry about it at all. I hope these guys you are going to don't have any official certification, they don't sound like they are qualified to install audio systems. They are probably the same guys who said smaller cones sound better than large cones on subwoofers. Anyway, cancellation will happen in every audio setup, but you only really have to worry about it at the bass frequencies. If you do something like place two speakers right next to each other, you can hear cancellation interference in the form of comb filtering, but even then they have to be playing the same sound. Just make your speaker placement stick as close as you can to dolby's recommended placement and you will be fine (except for the subwoofers, subs are a different story).
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I know THX standard pushes dipole solutions typically, so I am guessing these guys just read too much into THX recommendations. Lots of people on AVS and other sites that are knowledgeable and picky about audio run monopole 5.1 setups and they prefer them. Which is why I pointed out earlier that it is more of a preference thing that anything else.
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

(Already bought the wire in-wall rated from Monostat)

You had a yeast infection in your speakers? Oops, no, that's Monistat and it's not for use with speakers either. rolleyes.gif
post #9 of 9
Your front speakers are also pointing at the same spot so they should cancel each other out too:D

lol jk
Monopole /bi/dipole all preference based. I know THX systems have bipole/dipoles but I believe that is because they are trying to get the same sound of the big cinema(side arrays) into the home.
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