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post #181 of 472
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Posts 3 & 4 updated with minor changes
post #182 of 472
Cross-posted from the DTVPal thread since I think this thread is more appropriate:
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

The chart shouldn't have any ratings at all, since different users consider different features to be more important than others. For instance, I consider the DTVPal's encrypted HDD to be an unacceptable limitation that automatically makes the unit a 0* product, while others have no problem with using a DVR that only supports throw-away recording.
I don't see anything wrong with putting a reviewer's rating on a comparison chart. We're all smart enough to understand ratings are inherently subjective, and also to look for our personal "show-stoppers" that may disqualify an otherwise highly-rated product for our own purposes.

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It should also be noted that your review of the DVRS did include lots of other features (Like ability to process other than OTA) which the DTVPAL does not do. But on a OTA DVR only review this DVR is 4-5 stars compared to the OTA DVR ability of the other units.
LenL has an interesting point. Perhaps there should be 3 or 4 ratings for the most common uses (say, OTA DVR, cable DVR, media server) instead of one overall rating. Obviously the DTVPal would get zero in the cable DVR and media server categories but perhaps four stars in the OTA DVR category (recognizing that availability and support both exist but are provided by secondary sources, not the OEMs). The TiVo excels as a cable DVR but has some problems OTA (fewer models are OTA-capable and their tuners have been problematic in an OTA environment) so it might get four stars in the cable DVR category but only three in the OTA DVR category (plus however it rates as a media server).
post #183 of 472

Perhaps I have too much free time. I would like to start a thread dedicated to people who have lost all clear QAM/NTSC cable. I'm looking for suggestions on the proper forum to begin such a thread. Many have said it "will" happen, but none have posted it "has" happened. I chose to use this thread for the question since it has a diverse user base and the most to lose if all cable is encrypted. Any suggestions are welcome.

post #184 of 472
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

You really shouldn't hear anything. You have to put your ear up against the deck to hear the drive working (assuming it is at the time).

The issue is the constant HDD activity for no apparent reason. Looking at the whole setup; temporary storage for selected recordings, 60 minute buffering, reserving space for future recordings (depending on how you have those season passes setup)
I had a very interesting, long series of PM's with a member of that other forum regrading that forum itself and TiVo in general. This member had models starting with Model One up to the present and described the downturn of their product line. Basic failures all around, some got fixed, others not and new issues appeared.

The SDV issue with the four's and reports of bad caps, coup[led with the well known poor performance of their OTA tuners are all a step backwards.

IN a quiet room I can easily hear the fan and hard drive in any TiVo I've owned over the last twelve years from fifteen feet away. And that includes eight of the two tuner Premieres. They all make noise and I can hear it without issue. But I just tune them out.

The TiVo Mini is the first TiVo I've owned where I can't hear anything. Of course there are no moving parts in it either.
post #185 of 472
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post


IN a quiet room I can easily hear the fan and hard drive in any TiVo I've owned over the last twelve years from fifteen feet away.


I found TiVo uses various fans (in the same model(s)) and one version (supplier's) is much quieter than another's. I ended up swapping fans and the noise traveled with the fan. I also found some cases would vibrate and placing painter's tape on the cover where it meets the chassis would prevent that nicely. I documented which fans were which somewhere... I think over at TiVo's forum but perhaps here... it's been a long time. Drives themselves are louder if you have a good fan and they vary as well to a large degree.

post #186 of 472
There is no fan noise on my TiVo. No vibration. Just under 6 months old I think?

When the fan is super clean on the Sony DHG I can hear the fan. When it is filled with dirt it makes it quieter 7-8 years old now. There use to be a mild vibration on this box when new. If I recall correctly it went away after about 1 or 2 years. Still works great, other than no TVGOS and I have to figure out what "time" to set the recorder. Taxes my math skills to the max.
post #187 of 472
The noise is there you just can't hear it. I can even hear whisper quiet fans but I need to be a few feet away to hear those. And of course the room needs to be quiet. My GF can't hear the TiVo fans either.
post #188 of 472
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Perhaps I have too much free time. I would like to start a thread dedicated to people who have lost all clear QAM/NTSC cable. I'm looking for suggestions on the proper forum to begin such a thread. Many have said it "will" happen, but none have posted it "has" happened. I chose to use this thread for the question since it has a diverse user base and the most to lose if all cable is encrypted. Any suggestions are welcome.

I'd suggest perhaps "Community News & Polls," but it's interesting that AVS doesn't seem to have a forum dedicated to discussing cable issues. Maybe a moderator could help?

The only other logical place might be the "Local HDTV Info & Reception" forum, but that's probably more appropriate for discussing cable in a specific market, and it sounds like you want a place for all AVS members no matter where they live.
post #189 of 472
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MSO's operate different in each market. The franchise for the town or city has a lot to do with it.
Try DSL Reports to talk about MSO's. wink.gif
www dslreports com/forums/4
post #190 of 472
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post


I'd suggest perhaps "Community News & Polls," but it's interesting that AVS doesn't seem to have a forum dedicated to discussing cable issues. Maybe a moderator could help?

The only other logical place might be the "Local HDTV Info & Reception" forum, but that's probably more appropriate for discussing cable in a specific market, and it sounds like you want a place for all AVS members no matter where they live.

Thanks for the suggestions. I started it in http://www.avsforum.com/f/35/cable-digital-cable-non-hdtv since it's pretty generic. I've started looking at the DSLReports forum too since my cable company has a thread there.

post #191 of 472
I saw it. I didn't see the forum before (why is the "Cable" forum located under "Video Components?") but that does seem like a logical place for it.

I don't have cable so I won't comment there. My understanding from reading others' comments is that Comcast has been particularly aggressive in encrypting channels. Comcast claims stopping cable theft as the reason, although I question whether that's the main reason. (I'm sure it's part of it, but probably a more minor part than they let on.)

Other than Comcast and maybe TWC, I think folks (including myself) may have just been projecting their fears. Now that it's allowed, it's reasonable to expect cable companies to do it. Not only does it stop cable theft, it also gives them more control over their customers: they can see exactly how many devices their customers are using and probably even what shows they're watching. And they can set relative pricing between CableCARDs and their own products to encourage customers to use one or the other. Cable alternatives like Fios and U-Verse don't have to worry so much about cable theft, but they still have all the other reasons to encrypt. I'll keep an eye on your thread to see what folks say.

In a way, this issue is sort of the flip side of the ATSC 3.0 issue, since it'll brick clear QAM devices the same way ATSC 3.0 will brick OTA devices. At least we (probably) have several years before ATSC 3.0, though.
post #192 of 472
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It is suppose to reduce "truck rolls" when customers change service levels, or disconnect. How can you "steal" what is already "free" as in OTA?? rolleyes.gif

As far as ATSC 3, where is V2?? What are they M$, with a new version every few years? More nonsense,.
post #193 of 472
ATSC 2.0 exists but was never fully implemented. It still uses MPEG-2, making it backwards compatible with ATSC 1.0, and all it does is add Internet connectivity to enable targeted advertising, audience measurement, VoD, and IP-based guides. As such, none of the "features" actually have anything to do with the TV experience itself, which is why the standard isn't used by anybody. These elements will probably be incorporated with ATSC 3.0, which actually improves the video standard from H.262 to H.265.
post #194 of 472
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

It is suppose to reduce "truck rolls" when customers change service levels, or disconnect. How can you "steal" what is already "free" as in OTA?? :rolleyes

As I've argued elsewhere, there's very little point in MSOs encrypting local OTA channels. They're part of the basic service everyone gets, few folks would illegally hook up to cable if that's all they could get, and the cable companies aren't really losing any revenue to this level of theft anyhow. It'd be like a fast-food joint putting all their ketchup, salt, and sugar packets behind the counter to prevent "shoplifting."
post #195 of 472
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post


As I've argued elsewhere, there's very little point in MSOs encrypting local OTA channels. They're part of the basic service everyone gets, few folks would illegally hook up to cable if that's all they could get, and the cable companies aren't really losing any revenue to this level of theft anyhow. It'd be like a fast-food joint putting all their ketchup, salt, and sugar packets behind the counter to prevent "shoplifting."

That's a good analogy. It does sound a lot like our current political environment. Facts don't matter, just find somebody to blame.

post #196 of 472
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

It'd be like a fast-food joint putting all their ketchup, salt, and sugar packets behind the counter to prevent "shoplifting."
Actually(at least in my area) more and more fast food restaurants are putting the condiments and even paper napkins behind the counter so you have to ask for them mad.gif KFC is the worst, when you ask for ketchup they give you a couple tiny packets and when you ask for more they reluctantly give you a couple more rolleyes.gif I try and avoid places like that but like cable I don't think it's so much the lost money from people hooking a cable connection directly to their TV but the fact that they could that might lead them to scrambling everything.
In my Comcast market the only channels not scrambled are a few fuzzy analogs, had clear QAM locals up to a month or so ago.
post #197 of 472
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post


Actually(at least in my area) more and more fast food restaurants are putting the condiments and even paper napkins behind the counter so you have to ask for them mad.gif KFC is the worst, when you ask for ketchup they give you a couple tiny packets and when you ask for more they reluctantly give you a couple more rolleyes.gif I try and avoid places like that but like cable I don't think it's so much the lost money from people hooking a cable connection directly to their TV but the fact that they could that might lead them to scrambling everything.
In my Comcast market the only channels not scrambled are a few fuzzy analogs, had clear QAM locals up to a month or so ago.

Could you post that relevant data in my thread on losing clear QAM?

 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1475637/are-all-your-qam-channels-scrambled/0_50#post_23390993

 

Thanks

post #198 of 472
It looks like you already did?
I'm a Minneapolis South suburb but from what I've read not all areas in Minneapolis have dropped clear QAM even though most are served by Comcast, seems to be a somewhat local area issue.
post #199 of 472
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

It looks like you already did?
I'm a Minneapolis South suburb but from what I've read not all areas in Minneapolis have dropped clear QAM even though most are served by Comcast, seems to be a somewhat local area issue.

I'll update my post. Thank you.

 

All cable is local (c).smile.gif

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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I'll update my post. Thank you.

All cable is local (c).smile.gif
Joe, you might want to consider putting a ink to your thread in your signature.
post #201 of 472
I am a novice and would appreciate some input concerning an OTA DVR. Thanks for the chart videobruce. A bit overwhelming for me. I want a DVR to record OTA programming while watching another show. I can live with poor programming information. I want a good HD picture and a unit that doesn't overheat (CM-7400). Price range - below $300, preferably below $200. Will the CM-7001 fit this bill? Any suggestions are appreciated.
post #202 of 472
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Originally Posted by mailmandave View Post

I am a novice and would appreciate some input concerning an OTA DVR. Thanks for the chart videobruce. A bit overwhelming for me. I want a DVR to record OTA programming while watching another show. I can live with poor programming information. I want a good HD picture and a unit that doesn't overheat (CM-7400). Price range - below $300, preferably below $200. Will the CM-7001 fit this bill? Any suggestions are appreciated.

I don't think the CM-7001 has a hard drive/DVR ability. Keep watching the CM K77 for a release date and price and clarification of its details.

post #203 of 472
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AFAIK, the 7001 is just a tuner.

PQ on just about all should be the same since they all record bit for bit. The video processing out may be different. Aside from the TiVo Premire 4 & the Moxi, they all do OTA. There are links for each model to threads here (if they exist).

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Edited by videobruce - 7/13/13 at 1:52pm
post #204 of 472
Is there nothing on the market that meets my requirements? Is the CM K77 something special worth waiting for?
post #205 of 472
Your price point is probably too low, at least if you want a new unit with a lot of storage. Remember that a DVR is essentially an entire computer, so there are number of expensive components in one. If you want to be able to record and watch at the same time, that rules out the iView. If you don't want overheating, that rules out the CM-7400. The PHD-VRX doesn't even work half of the time, so you probably don't want that, either.

That leaves you with buying a used DTVPal or CM-7000 on eBay, or buying a TViX 6620. The first two units are essentially the same; they only differ in branding. They have the benefit of coming with an internal HDD, and they can also display closed captions. They have the disadvantage of not letting you offload your recordings, and you may not be able to buy them new. The TViX 6620 has the advantage of letting you offload recordings, and you can install a HDD of your own to give you however much storage space you want (up to 2TB). Its main disadvantages are no CC support and the inability to watch the ION network, if that happens to be important to you.
post #206 of 472
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Is there nothing on the market that meets my requirements?
If you have read through the chart, all the info is there. What is important to one may not be important to you. Every one listed has issues. It's more like what can you live with.
As far as this new CM branded model, it's all speculation, something that is extremely common here. wink.gif

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Edited by videobruce - 7/13/13 at 2:10pm
post #207 of 472
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Posts 1-4 have been updated regarding developments with iView and the similar Homeworx models.
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Originally Posted by OneFore9 View Post

So another recorder, or just something else re-badged?:

http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/30-2900

Manual is a little lacking, but you can record to USB and play back on a PC. Single tuner, no drive.

Never heard of Stellar Labs before. Sounds like the iView/Homeworx but the case looks a bit different so I can't tell if it's just a rebranded version or something different. Does anyone have one of these?

Update: According to this post, it is the same as the Homeworx: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465875/iview-3500stb-aka-homeworx-hw-150pvr-tuner-dvr-owners-thread/960_20#post_23542547

Edit: Single-tuner recorders like this aren't necessarily a bad idea, as long as they have RF pass-through so that you can daisy-chain another tuner (either the one in your TV or another standalone unit). After all, that's how every VCR worked....
Edited by JHBrandt - 7/19/13 at 8:01am
post #209 of 472
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Stellar Labs is one of MCM's house names.
post #210 of 472
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Originally Posted by mailmandave View Post

I am a novice and would appreciate some input concerning an OTA DVR. Thanks for the chart videobruce. A bit overwhelming for me. I want a DVR to record OTA programming while watching another show. I can live with poor programming information. I want a good HD picture and a unit that doesn't overheat (CM-7400). Price range - below $300, preferably below $200. Will the CM-7001 fit this bill? Any suggestions are appreciated.

The Digital Stream DPH1000R listed on the Page 1 meets your requirements and is priced around $237 at Amazon. It has two OTA tuners so that you can watch one channel while record another. The picture quality is quite good and the recording can be done manually or using channel guide, which is only 1 day long. Apart from a badly designed remote, this HDD DVR with 320GB is a good unit. I have one for the last 6 months and quite happy with it. The unit does not overheat - it is barely warm.
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