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post #451 of 472
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Originally Posted by Sonyad View Post

However whatever lifetime fee or monthly subscription fee required should be clearly stated.

 

OK, that would be a good compromise if Videobruce decides to leave them in.

At least that way people could make an informed choice about what they were getting.

 

As it stands now there is a lot of confusion and misunderstandings. I still see people on this forum, for example, asking whether or not they can use a TiVo without a subscription so this fact should be clearly noted in the comparison table.

post #452 of 472
LOL -- and now for something completely absurd:
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Originally Posted by laridae View Post

Remove Non-programmable DVR's

I think you should remove any DVR's, like TiVo, that can not be programmed to record for free out of the box. Otherwise the cost is misleading because you must pay additional charges for a subscription fee or it will not record. Therefore, it is not comparable to the other boxes and should be excluded, perhaps with a disclaimer that Tivo's are very popular and a good choice for those willing to pay the extra fees, and a warning that they are dead-in-the water otherwise.

YES -- I fully support this.

PLEASE REMOVE ALL MENTION OF TiVo FROM THE LIST AND POSTS OF THIS THREAD.

Then maybe you people will stop posting your continual streams of nonsense.
post #453 of 472
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Then maybe you people will stop posting your continual streams of nonsense.

 

No way. Every once in a while I check-in for entertainment purposes only. :)

post #454 of 472
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

No way. Every once in a while I check-in for entertainment purposes only. smile.gif
I think I'd rather watch my TiVo. biggrin.gif
post #455 of 472
Thread Starter 
Then do so.
post #456 of 472
Thread Starter 
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whatever lifetime fee or monthly subscription fee required should be clearly stated.
It has been. The first entry under PROGRAM GUIDE & RECORDING; "Pay only".
post #457 of 472
I'm guessing what incensed the OP is that TiVo's business model is so counter-intuitive. Common sense tells you if you don't buy the guide, you won't get the guide - but you'd (naively) think you could still use a TiVo "VCR style."

But of course, if TiVo worked that way, they could only charge what the guide was actually worth wink.gif and the TiVo boxes themselves would cost more. Probably, the OP either overlooked the "Pay only" listing in the chart, or else he didn't understand its full implications, bought a TiVo, and then discovered he mostly couldn't use it without paying more. (I think it'll still time-shift but that's about it.) Sorry he took it out on you for not putting those two words in a font like this!

I don't like TiVo's business model, so I never bought one, but I think they're OK as long as you understand the rules and are willing to pay their fees (either monthly or up-front for a lifetime subscription).
Edited by JHBrandt - 3/31/14 at 2:41pm
post #458 of 472
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The problem is, TiVo apparently doesn't make it clear enough or you wouldn't have so many doing the same thing. Buying it and then finding out.
post #459 of 472
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

The problem is, TiVo apparently doesn't make it clear enough or you wouldn't have so many doing the same thing. Buying it and then finding out.


Oh people know(at least someone not living under a rock) but so many people want something for nothing it's not funny.....we get people all the time that want to purchase a Tivo for $99 and then not pay for lifetime or monthly, wonder if the same people go to Verizon and want to get a iPhone for free(or $99) and then not sign up for a 2 year contract :rolleyes:

post #460 of 472
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

I'm guessing what incensed the OP is that TiVo's business model is so counter-intuitive. Common sense tells you if you don't buy the guide, you won't get the guide - but you'd think you could still use a TiVo "VCR style."
Here we go again.
post #461 of 472
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post


It has been. The first entry under PROGRAM GUIDE & RECORDING; "Pay only".

 

Yes, but why not put it right up top with the price, since it really is a show-stopper.

 

You could buy the unit for that price expecting it to work (a reasonable assumption)

 

But the fact it won't actually work without additional charges is a pretty significant restriction and should be prominently noted.

post #462 of 472
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^ Done ^
post #463 of 472
Just saying thx for this thread!
I'm looking at options to cut the cable (Comcast here in Howell, Mich), and go purely OTA + Internet, desire DVR.
I've got the antenna, used it strictly Mar-2005 - June-2007 before HDTV was carried by Comcast here, including pre-amp.
Also got a OTA tuner for my basement HT PJ.
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I'll post Q's as I dig into more info into the appropriate thread or create my own to not clutter this sticky.
Thx again.
post #464 of 472
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If it has to do with reception, here is a dedicated sub-forum for that.
Are any of your OTA stations VHF or are they all UHF? If so, that isn't the most ideal antenna. Are they all in one direction, I see there is no rotor?

The dismal selection of DVR's in this country is pathetic, especially if you compare what is available in European & Asian countries where there is no or little interference (restrictions) from a single manufacturer and/or the movie industry.
post #465 of 472
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

If it has to do with reception, here is a dedicated sub-forum for that.
Are any of your OTA stations VHF or are they all UHF? If so, that isn't the most ideal antenna. Are they all in one direction, I see there is no rotor?

The dismal selection of DVR's in this country is pathetic, especially if you compare what is available in European & Asian countries where there is no or little interference (restrictions) from a single manufacturer and/or the movie industry.

From an old 2008 post I made
http://www.avsforum.com/t/988834/need-ota-antenna-advice#post_13027655
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I went outdoors, very happy with the Channel Master lineup, I got the "deep fringe" for around $90 give or take in 2005, not bad.

I think Lowes carries them, among the DIY stores.
Channel Master line-up

The one I got, the "deep fringe", I love the name


I also got a pre-amplifier at the mast to boost my signal, this way when I split it among my HDTV/HD radio sources still strong and good quality signal
Channel Master CM 0068DSB VHF/UHF/FM Spartan 3 Outdoor Pre-Amp


here is my antennaweb.org map, with my set-up I get ALL the digital stations listed.
I'm a fixed mast, pointed at 117 deg to get the Detroit stations.
Frankly, sometimes in very-very bad weather some of the off-axis stations pixelate sometimes, but not often.
Obvious, but I have to state this here:
To the OP (and others), be very-very careful putting up outdoor antenna on your roof.
I underestimated how dangerous this would be. My 2+ story garage roof is a 45deg pitch, at first I thought I could walk up that to mount it, WRONG.
I therefore had to get out my 32 foot ladder and use that to install the antenna at my gable end. Very dangerous carrying a fully extended antenna up there. I even used (2) 2 x 4' to securly brace the ladder to my home side so it would not move, a wise thing since while carrying the antenna up there and it swayed I'm sure the ladder would have fallen sideways w/o those.
My brother was there to help, but with only 1 big ladder he could not do much, if we had 2 big ladders would have been so much safer, but who has two big ladders at home?? I have the one 32 footer because every 4 years I have to re-stain my log home on the outside.

MikeDTAntennaMap.JPG

update 4-10-2014: I've not gone to antennaweb.org since I installed that outdoor antenna way back when....and I'm not putting a different antenna there.
When I did use it got pretty decent reception, and on the occasion cable is out I've used it in my family room set-up and got so many stations, as recently as recent ice storm back in Jan-2014.
post #466 of 472
ok - fwiw I like the old antenna.web info better, told me ufh or vhf, but either way I'm good as my deep fringe can get both per specs. Basically I'm pointed at Detroit area.....
post #467 of 472
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

I'm guessing what incensed the OP is that TiVo's business model is so counter-intuitive. Common sense tells you if you don't buy the guide, you won't get the guide - but you'd (naively) think you could still use a TiVo "VCR style."

But of course, if TiVo worked that way, they could only charge what the guide was actually worth wink.gif and the TiVo boxes themselves would cost more. Probably, the OP either overlooked the "Pay only" listing in the chart, or else he didn't understand its full implications, bought a TiVo, and then discovered he mostly couldn't use it without paying more. (I think it'll still time-shift but that's about it.) Sorry he took it out on you for not putting those two words in a font like this!

I don't like TiVo's business model, so I never bought one, but I think they're OK as long as you understand the rules and are willing to pay their fees (either monthly or up-front for a lifetime subscription).

SInce when is the TiVo service just for the guide? That is not the case. The TiVo service cost covers more than the guide.
post #468 of 472
I just blocked aaronwt's posts.
post #469 of 472
Why, because he spoke the truth that you didn't want to hear?
post #470 of 472
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post


SInce when is the TiVo service just for the guide? That is not the case. The TiVo service cost covers more than the guide.

 

The OTA programs arrive free-of-charge over the public airwaves. Non-subscription DVR's then tune and record these programs free-of-charge.

 

Please explain, exactly, what value added TiVo is providing in addition to a program guide.

post #471 of 472
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

Why, because he spoke the truth that you didn't want to hear?

I just didn't appreciate his rhetorical style wink.gif

I will concede that, technically, aaronwt did "speak the truth:" the monthly TiVo fee does add something of value beyond the guide; specifically, the ability to use the bloody thing at all!

But we've had that discussion many times before. I see no point in his dredging up an old post of mine and trying to relitigate it yet again.
Edited by JHBrandt - Yesterday at 12:42 pm
post #472 of 472
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Originally Posted by laridae View Post

 

Please explain, exactly, what value added TiVo is providing in addition to a program guide.

 

I think it's best left with... If you don't (already) understand then I can't explain it to you.

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