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Budget 2-way/2.5-way speaker.

post #1 of 10
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I have been getting the itch to do a DIY build, and was just browsing Partsexpress. I am completely new to the DIY from the ground up process so hoping I can get some help and some constructive criticism. But here is what I found, I came Across some budget friendly drivers that look like they could pair well together. They have the $9 Aura NS6-255-8A woofers. I was thinking 2 of those per speaker paired with the Vifa XT25SC90-04 ring radiator.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=299-030

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=264-1014


The woofers look to be a little more efficient and if I double them up, There would a be a greater difference between outputs of the woofers and the tweeters. So I was thinking of maybe doing a 2.5-way set-up. Vifa on highpass, one Aura for lowpass, and the other running lowpass, but at a lower crossover point like 200hz. Would that be a good way to combat the combined efficiency of both woofers to better match with the Vifa? Both drivers seem to have plenty of range so I will be able to play around with crossover points. I hope this is making some sense. Just an idea that I have been playing around with since last night.

I have yet to model out an enclosure for the the Auras but I wanted to run the idea by some people with a little more experience. Don't want to waste any time if my idea is a burning pile of..well you know. biggrin.gif

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

Todd
post #2 of 10
That idea would work, but would take a fair amount of cross over design because I don't believe there is a design using that driver combination that I'm aware of. There are designs out there for those drivers though, just not together. I'd suggest sticking with something proven if you're just sticking your toe in the water for the first time. Don't want to build something that sounds terrible and wish you hadn't bothered.
post #3 of 10
It's not a burnjing pile of..., it's a well trodden path, actually, just using a different (and cheaper) tweeter that can keep up...
http://speakerdesignworks.com/NS6project_1.html
and it's little bro...
http://speakerdesignworks.com/StenIIproject_1.html

... both using this tweeter as the ring radiator doesn't have the sensitivity.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=264-1028

If you truly have the itch to design a speaker, this would be a good one to reverse engineer. You learn a lot about speaker design, without the risk. Not everyone who knows how to do something, should do it.

One of the issues here is impedence. The NS6 is a nominal 8 ohms, but Re is 6 ohms. Curt's way out is to use 4 drivers for the 0.5-way in a series/parallel arrangement that keeps the DC load at 6 ohms. I don't know how the 2-way (MTM) only dips to 3.9 ohms....

Have fun,
Frank
post #4 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the answers guys. I already have the Aura's on order along with a similar tweeter. The Vifa Vifa DX25TG09-04. Same 4 ohm configuration, a little higher sensitivity, and a lower FS. Give me a little bit more FR to play with. I plan to mimic the Crossover design on the Sten IIs. I ordered a Dayton Measuring mic too so I may play around with that combo and use my crown amps build in DSP to mess around with x-over points before I actually build some.

I know I'd probably be better off with a proven design, but I am a sink or swim kind of guy. If and when I fail, I will learn from it and approve upon it. I kind of had my mind set on doing this from the ground up. Just hope I learn a bunch from this.
post #5 of 10
Here's a start for the tweeter crossover



You will have to adjust R1 to match the woofers sensitivity, likely somewhere around 2-3 ohm vs the 5.1 shown.
post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks. Does anyone do any crossover modeling, like say with x-over pro? ANd what does everyone else use for enclosure modeling? I can work my way around Bassbox Pro 6, but wondering if there are any good alternatives?
post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 
What I need to do is read the Loudspeaker design cookbook again. Read it a couple years ago when I saw still in college and didn't retain anything but the basics.
post #8 of 10
X- Pro is just text book alignments, so it wont work very well. I follow this process for simulated crossover design

https://sites.google.com/site/undefinition/simulated-measurements

(I use WinISD for step 3)

It's best to get the driver measurements and TS parameters from somewhere reputable, like zaphaudio, vs using the manufacturer's data.

Once you go through all of that you import the data into PCD

http://audio.claub.net/software/jbabgy/PCD.html

Getting the XYZ inputs right are the only thing left before you start modeling the filters in PCD.
Edited by Jay1 - 2/25/13 at 8:42pm
post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by todd.brust View Post

...I ordered a Dayton Measuring mic too
Maybe also look at DATS, for impedence measurements, as the pair (FR and impedence rigs) are all you need to design crossovers from arbitrary drivers - true loudspeaker DIY.

That still leaves you a lot to learn, and Paul's process is the process. At most, you will find shortcuts but do it the long way first, so you are exposed to all the steps. Later, you'll find that you can measure directly what you just simulated...

Better tweeter choice, too!

HAve fun,
Frank
post #10 of 10
Thread Starter 
How does the DATS work? I tried the older version of it a while back, and its measurements were way off from manufacturers specs. Scared me, but for all I know, I was probably doing something wrong.
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