Originally Posted by G-Rex
Thinking of purchasing a new gaming PC (Falcon). I did watch the PS4 reveal and I have some concerns.
The new Killzone looked a bit framey, especially when shooting the Helghast at close range. Reminds me of the framey feeling in KZ3 for the Ps3. I know the game is far from done and has not been optimized, but still a concern. John Carmack said a while back that the new consoles would run with all hardware effects on at 30 fps...he was disappointed. I hope this is not the case because I find 50 to 60 fps essential in gaming. Do you think the PS4 will handle KZ4 at 60 fps?
Any computer gurus out there can predict just how powerful the PS4 will actually be? Will it be similar to a 4 core I7 with a 680 gpu or more like a 6 core with a 690? I have read that Sony and Microsoft had a close eye on the new consoles cost so they are not insanely powerful for the time, and will certainly not blow away a decent gaming rig (unlike when the 360 an ps3 were released...they were significantly more powerful than the pcs of that time period).
An example, I don't like BF3 on the xbox360 which is running at best 30 fps, but is very nice on my gaming pc, likely running at 45+ fps settings on medium/high (intel core 2 quad with an NVIDEA Geforce 5600 TI 2.5 ghz). Big difference on the feel, quality and playability of the game. Played the game on my brother's state of the art gaming pc and wow...blew my computer away (all settings on ultra at over 60 fps).
Will the PC version of BF4 likely blow away the PS4 version in graphics and fps?
So the issue, when to get a new PC? Want it to be optimal for as long as possible. I could get a 6 core I7 with an NVIDIA Geforce Titan gpu. Interesting how the Titan does 4.2 Tflops while the PS4 will only do 1.84....or is it worth waiting for the new 7 series "Maxwell" NVIDEA cards? Will the Maxwell likely have a better direct X that the current Titan card?
When is the proper time to jump into a new gaming PC and with what specs?
The idea is...when the PS4 starts to show signs of aging, my gaming pc will be Optimal for years beyond that.
First off...while i respect Mr. Carmack...take what he says as a grain of salt because he's stated many things in the past that never happened..especially about some of his cutting edge games that were suppose to blow our socks off and once the games came out..they were a bit on the "meh" side of things. He also stated that Rage on the PS3 would rival that of the PC version and look better than the xbox version because of the usage of Blu-Ray in the PS3 and a few other things like the Cell CPU,etc...well after Rage came out on xbox, ps3 and PC...the xbox version looked identical to the ps3, well pretty close and the PC version looked way superior to the ps3 version. Mr. Carmack has been as accurate as Michael Pachter quite honestly lol
Another thing he said is that the next generation of consoles would in no way have 8GB of ram..well whats shocking is that..not only does both the next xbox and ps4 sport 8gb of ram but the PS4 is using 8GB of GDDR5 and i think that alone should give you a good idea or a good assumption that KillZone 4 will run at 60fps at 1080p although that is not set in stone but that is what the dev's said they will achieve once they get the final dev boxes and the final product released to the consumer.
Keep in mind that always..ALWAYS these first year of titles on new consoles are never very optimized as they could be. I would say that we will begin to see what these new consoles are really capable of on their 2nd and 3rd year of games but looking at the footage of KillZone 4...i was pretty excited to see what i saw...was it jaw dropping visuals? I would say...close to it but not quite but again..these are launch games and quite frankly i was impressed. Anyone remember what the xbox 360 and ps3 launch games looked like? LOL Remember ..well lets just take xbox 360 as example since it was the lead platform this generation.... Perfect Dark was simply hideous and Project Gothem 3 while it looked pretty nice for a launch game... compare Perfect Dark to say COD games or Halo 4 and PG3 to say Forza 3 and 4 ...i mean comparing those games to each other is almost night and day imho.
I think people will be very surprised in what these next gen consoles will be able to do...i think Microsoft really needs to do something about that 8GB GDDR3 ram... Sony will have a rather nice advantage in their games simly because of the faster ram and more bandwidth 8GB of GDDR5 ram will have....it will MOST DEFINITELY HELP in keeping 1080p at 60fps because PS4's GPU will be based on AMD's 7800 Series cards but custom modified to tailor the PS4 console. a AMD 7800 Series equivalent type GPU in the PS4 will be massively powerful for the simple fact that it will be much more utilized to its full potential than a AMD 7800 PC graphics card is in a PC platform for many reasons. Cutting edge PC hardware is never fully utilized...sorta like our brain, our brain is only 10% used..just imagine if we humans were able to just be able to use another 10% of our brain for a total of us being able to use 20% of our brain..imagine that for a while..its mind boggling we only use 10% of our brain. Consoles and PC's somewhat work in the same way.... 512mb of ram in a console is like 2gb of ram in a PC. An AMD HD 5850 PC graphics card is like a AMD HD 7970 GPU in a console...you get my point but i'll explain further.
Remember we cant really sit here and compare the hardware in these upcoming consoles to PC's...we can to an extent ..for example we know in the PC world that 8GB of GDDR3 ram vs 8GB of GDDR5 ram is significant difference because of speed and bandwidth of the two kind of memory performance but back to my point..we cant really compare PC development to Console development...granted...these next gen console games are being developed on very powerful PC machines right now until final dev kits are sent out to console developers. ..current dev boxes for ps4 and xbox 720 are using like two Nvidia GTX 680's or two HD 7970's...i forget which brand but they are using..TWO of these ultra high end pc graphic cards and like 16gb of DDR3 ram in these dev boxes for these next gen consoles..why so much power? Because these consoles will be utilizing much more of its hardware than what PC's are able to do...at the end of it all...its going to be so called "tapping much closer to the hardware" than what PC developers can do when developing PC games.
A few things to always remember. Consoles are a closed box...meaning every console has the same hardware specs inside...developers there for can take much more advantage of the hardware inside. I mean all you gotta do is look at Halo 4 on xbox 360 and you gotta scratch your head on how the hell did they manage to produce those types of visuals on 8 year old hardware that sports 512mb of DDR3 memory or look how insanely beautiful games like Kill Zone 3 look on 7-8 year old hardware using an exotic hard to develop for Cell CPU and a not so friendly split memory configuration that is split with 256mb for the graphics and 256mb for the system but yet they still managed to produce visuals we see in Kill Zone 3, Uncharted 2 & 3 and this upcoming PS3 game called "The Last of Us" ... these games can almost rival Crysis 3 PC on "high" with no AA and maybe x8 AF settings..maybe i am being a little generous in saying that but that comparison is NOT that far off. So this just proves developers can really take much much more advantage of hardware in a closed box than PC developers can with a lot of overhead to deal with which includes the OS, background services running and other various programs running but the biggest killer of it all that hinders PC hardware from truly being fully utilized is the fact that PC developers have to deal with so many freaking various configurations that PC owners have...its gotta be a nightmare for PC developers compared to Console Developers because PC developers have to make sure their game will run on hundreds if not thousands of different PC configurations...then on top of it..they have all these background resources running at the same time that takes away from the overall performance that cutting edge PC hardware is able to produce.
Regardless of all that..i still truly believe if we had more PC developers besides just Crytek trying to fully tap the power of cutting edge PC hardware..we would have seen many PC exclusive games by now surpass what Crysis 3 has done visually. It is a shame to see that most of what us PC gamers have to play are games developed on 8 year old hardware ported over to our PC rigs that sport hardware that is many generations ahead of these current consoles...some times i just get so pissed off that we no longer have all these PC exclusive games that aim at taking advantage of current mid to high end pc hardware. I am not talking about these current PC exclusive developers that pump out these RPG's, Strategy games,etc that are only on the PC...no, i am talking about PC dev's like Crytek that truly strive to take advantage of current mid to high end pc hardware. The problem with Crytek...sure they got talent with producing bad ass visuals...but they are some-what lacking in producing engines that run like a dream on PC hardware ...maybe some of this you can blame them on these old consoles being in the way taking up a lot of their time that could of been spent focusing a bit more time optimizing their PC versions of Crysis..who knows but what ever the reasons may be...i do know for sure two of the reasons are what i just mentioned above..and i am sure here are more reasons behind his as well.
One thing we can look forward too as gamers though is that these new next gen systems will be out in less than a year..for a PC only gamer that means your hardware will finally begin to be pushed harder and taken advantage more and in return you'll be playing next gen console ports that will look stunning and beautiful on your rigs and those of us that enjoy both PC and console game..such as myself..i'll be able to enjoy the best of both worlds...next gen console gaming..especially the console exclusives that will not see the light of day on PC's and i'll also be able to enjoy PC games exclusive to the PC platform as well along with console to pc ports as well.
I suspect myself personally that i will not be playing many next gen console ports to the PC for some years to come because these new consoles will be producing games...the exclusive next gen console games i mean...that will look visually superior to anything on the PC in terms of visuals...That is not a fanboy statement..i am no fanboy..i am simply stating what history has proven the last few generations of consoles...when new consoles come out...they are usually producing games for the first 2-3 years that are a bit head visually of what we see on the PC..then about on that 3rd year..PC's start overtaking consoles in terms of graphics especially with the console ports to the PC's but next gen "exclusive console games will be setting the bar to a new level graphically.
I am not a fanoy of any system, brand,etc...i am only a fanoy in the fact that i love gaming, i am a fanboy of gaming and i will play ANY game on ANY PLATFORM..may it be the PC, the Next Xbox or PS4...if its a good game and it happens to be exclusive to one of the three platform...i'll be playing it, period. I am not one of these "Fake gamers' that claim to be hardcore gamers but yet only will play games on the PC or will only play their games on a console because they dislike the other platform...to me thats ridiculous and that is not what a true gamer is... a true gamer has no prejudice towards any platform what so ever..he or she will game on what ever platform is required to play that AAA game and make no mistake about it...if you are a hardcore gamer you will do what you gotta do to get at least one console and a decent gaming PC...because if you do not have at least one console and a gaming pc...you will automatically miss out on a nice list of exclusive AAA games...that is just my take on what a true gamer is all about.Edited by Moegames - 2/25/13 at 1:35pm