NIB Kuro Sig 141 from dealer friend or ZT60? Need help deciding. - Page 3

Another ringing endorsement from a pro calibrator 5 years later, say it ain't so. I'm sure you will need to spend some time with the set when it's eventually released, but It will be telling if you find the ZT60 a suitable replacement for the 151FD.

For anyone who cares, if it's legit, someone's gonna be happy!!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001CE0594/ref=dp_olp_new/176-5904893-5060526?ie=UTF8&condition=new

What a coincidence another new Kuro elite for sale and the seller has just lunched with no feedback!!
Edited by Dust Bubble - 2/27/13 at 12:28pm

And the word 'arive' is spelled with only one R. Who knew? lol

It certainly may be legit. One could contact the seller for confirmation and additional details.
In my experience with Amz. Marketplace, they protect the buyer very well.

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Sorry to take this thread off topic for a moment, but can anyone tell me how the Pioneer Kuro 150 stacks up against the 151, 141 or any of the other Kuro plasmas? I know it's an 8g of the kuros and didn't know how much improvement is on the 9g's. Color, video processing, black levels etc.....

Deeper black level is the biggie when it comes to improvement. Might be more applicable to ask about that in the 8G or 9G threads themselves.

Thanks guys. Sorry again for taking thread off topic.

This I didn't know.

I stopped following the 9G Elites owner thread for the last few years after having bought my 151FD. Kinda make me glad that I returned the 141FD for the 151FD. They were both of the same price, but I wanted to be able to use OTA antenna for free local HD channels.

Darker blacks and better controls for a professional calibration from someone like UMR or D-NIce among others who are active here at AVS.

These Kuros were all otherwise monitors?

The 8G is not as dark it's true as the 9G Pio's - (but plenty black enough.) But it's a stunning all rounder. With processing and movie playing abilities unmatched by any other plasma manufacturer to date. Ha.

In fact as well as my new 500M i have found, i left a small deposit with the recent buyer of my 500A to buy his (mint) condition 50" 8G in the summer. It's an amazing piece of engineering - like all Kuro's. This one is going to treat me mainly to it's SD prowess in another room

Not sure about the 500M, but the 111FD at least was not exactly known for its SD processing prowess...

For the Elite series, 101FD and 141FD were monitors. The 151FD and 111FD were hdtv.

I don't know much about the non-Elite line (500M and 600M).

^Also monitors (as the "M" in the model #s notates ).

Well to be honest - a lot depends on what you are/were feeding them. Not talking external dedicated here. But say an Oppo, or a good Denon blu player. I can't really think of any plasma that does as a good job of SD. Panasonic make a mess of SD, Samsung a lot better, but not there compared to Pioneers.

The Fujitsu's were fab imo and the 720p 8G Kuro the best.

The KRP-500A did a great job of up-scaling broadcast SD from it's seperate media box to fit the 1080P res screen. Never saw anything better from an inbuilt tuner on a 1080p 50" with SD broadcast tbh.

Strange one about the 'non Elite line' though.

Because in the online Pioneer field service guide, the 500/600M's, are highlighted in light blue, as industrial models.

Like all the 'CMX' pre Kuro monitors previously, a few years before them.

Whilst (all) the Elite's, TV's, and the 101/141’s monitors included - are highlighted as consumer models. Presumably because these monitors have more HDMI's than the KRP's. Have also the gold 'ELITE' logo on the bezel.

I don't have a clue. But I had a real hard time finding the 500/600M around the DC area (when I was shopping for it). Those non-elite monitors were as bareboned as they get. Only custom installer/dealer had them. At one point I was tempted to get one from Cleveland Plasma to replace my 1140HD, but I pulled back.

The 101 and 141 are virtually identical to the 500M and 600M. The 500 and 101 have the same "9.5G" panel, and are considered by some to be the best consumer flat panel every made.
Disclaimer: I have a 500M, bought new in September, 2009 from Vanns, for $1999 with stand delivered.

^Super bargain, wish I'd heard about the 500M before jumping on the 111FD.

Definitely a bargain compared to the UK price equivalents. If the UK prices were dollars for example it would have been approximately $4500 full RRP for the 50". But more likley $4000/£2000 most places on average

There were a lot of theory going around that time. Some said only the very late-built date 500M and 101FD had the 9.5G panels. Then again it might had been just a variation between panels that had caused the 'better' black level on the very last 500M and 101FD. Honestly, unless I turn all the lights off, I hardly notice the difference b/w the 151 and 1140. That was one of the reasons I cancelled my order for the 500M. And 50 inch is just too small for my HT setup.

I posted the info in regards to this over two years go here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1295276/kuro-technology-explained#post_19593766

Thank you for the link and for correcting my assumption. So basically it boiled down to the different implementations of the SAME technology.

But if I can't visually see the big gap b/w a 7G and a 9G panel, the incremental difference b/w the 151 and the 500/101 wouldn't have any impact on me. And that 50inch size is definitely a no-go for my HT. Had Pioneer started making the 141 and 600M at the new plant, then I may have been looking to buy one.
At this point in time, I'm just hoping the 65ZT60 will be as good as Panasonic has promised it to be.

Sorry to the OP for taking this thread off track a bit.

Kagoshima had been tooled up with the latest manufacturing upgrades and was where the 50 inch panels used in the 101/500M were manufactured; most likely, had the next generation been manufactured in mass, Kagoshima would have been the first to do so.
Edited by turbe - 3/1/13 at 10:40am

Thanks for that post turbe. I remember reading it long ago, and did some research for myself to find the difference in the Elite/non-Elite and monitors. For the most part, all 9G models share the same internal parts except for the 101/500M, see below,

non Elite Kuros...
5020/6020 -- Same panel, same drivers, same power supply as Elite brethren, no Pure mode or ISF controls. They are are upgradable to Elites with a board swap. Came with tuner and speakers.

Elite Kuros...
111FD/151FD -- Same panel, drivers, power supply as above, full ISF calibration controls. Came with tuner and speakers.

Signature Elite Kuros...
101FD/141FD -- Thinner than above models but same features. The 141 has the same guts as the 151. The 101 has a different panel, drivers and power supply than the above 50" models. No tuner or speakers available. These have IP control. Highest MSRP of all Kuros.

Elite Kuro Monitors...
500M/600M -- Essentially the same as the Sig Elites, with the option to add external speakers. Bezel says "Pioneer" instead of "Elite". The 500M shares the same different internals as the 101. In the US, you have to use Kurocontrol to get ISF modes. Easy tweak.

The different internals are why the 101/500M have the 9.5G label and slightly lower black levels. I wonder if the PSU is any better.

discounting the importance of the manufacturer process and upgraded tooling would be a mistake but so would the speculation about upgraded parts..