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post #121 of 3974
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Originally Posted by jyeh74 View Post

I notice that this TV is "Edge lit" and the W series is "Dynamic edge lit"
What is the difference?

I'm speculating that the "Dynamic Edge Lighting" in their other models is Sony's term for what amounts to local dimming. If it's what I'm guessing, the lights are dynamically adjusted for regions in the screen depending on brightness for that region (instead of relying entirely on the LCD grid to mitigate the amount of light shining through). It could be a big deal if this is what it is.
post #122 of 3974
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I'm speculating that the "Dynamic Edge Lighting" in their other models is Sony's term for what amounts to local dimming. If it's what I'm guessing, the lights are dynamically adjusted for regions in the screen depending on brightness for that region (instead of relying entirely on the LCD grid to mitigate the amount of light shining through). It could be a big deal if this is what it is.

This TV is not dynamic edge lit. Think it will be a big deal?

What are the Sharp LC70LE 847u Are those dynamic edge lit?
post #123 of 3974
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Well, they're accurate, but where precisely the diminishing returns are for them is unclear.

I was stating that they're inaccurate because of the attempt from the manufacturers to push this as the "native" refresh rate of the panel. I also find these numbers mostly misleading and largely irrelevant.
post #124 of 3974
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Well, they're accurate, but where precisely the diminishing returns are for them is unclear.

I was stating that they're inaccurate because of the attempt from the manufacturers to push this as the "native" refresh rate of the panel. I also find these numbers mostly misleading and largely irrelevant.

Well they *are* confusing as hell, but they're not irrelevant. But only because they're defeating the sample-and-hold smearing I was referring to which is a very big deal. Much of what makes a plasma look so much smoother is not the increased frame rate (which actually isn't a frame rate at all, but more of a region rate), but that fact that the plasma cells are pulsed.

It's actually not a new idea either, but it only seems to have recently shown up as a marketable metric in the TV industry these days.
post #125 of 3974
Personally, I think the lack of dynamic edge dimming will be a big deal. I have an XBR 720 sony from a few years ago that has edge dimming and the black levels on it are very good for the time. When they went to the 750 model the edge dimming was removed and the 750 series was universally panned. I doubt this Sony series will be able to compare to comparable series from other manufacturers. Personally, I think the value leader in 2013 will be the Samsung f6400 series which does have edge dimming.
post #126 of 3974
Hopefully two more days, my order still shows (ship date is still showing as my order submit date).

Items:
1
Order Status:
PROCESSING
Estimated Ship Date:
03/25/2013
post #127 of 3974
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Well they *are* confusing as hell, but they're not irrelevant. But only because they're defeating the sample-and-hold smearing I was referring to which is a very big deal. Much of what makes a plasma look so much smoother is not the increased frame rate (which actually isn't a frame rate at all, but more of a region rate), but that fact that the plasma cells are pulsed.

It's actually not a new idea either, but it only seems to have recently shown up as a marketable metric in the TV industry these days.

My point was that there's no reason whatsoever I would buy an FP because of the fact that it's CMR is 480 rather than 240, or MotionFlow 960 rather than 480. Those numbers in that sense are irrelevant. I understand the premise of these number and that they aren't "new" ideas, I just believe that too much weight can be placed on the importance of these numbers.
post #128 of 3974
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Well they *are* confusing as hell, but they're not irrelevant. But only because they're defeating the sample-and-hold smearing I was referring to which is a very big deal. Much of what makes a plasma look so much smoother is not the increased frame rate (which actually isn't a frame rate at all, but more of a region rate), but that fact that the plasma cells are pulsed.

It's actually not a new idea either, but it only seems to have recently shown up as a marketable metric in the TV industry these days.

My point was that there's no reason whatsoever I would buy an FP because of the fact that it's CMR is 480 rather than 240, or MotionFlow 960 rather than 480. Those numbers in that sense are irrelevant. I understand the premise of these number and that they aren't "new" ideas, I just believe that too much weight can be placed on the importance of these numbers.

That's fair, and I understand, but I would. Let me see if I can sum up my position better with examples, and why we're apart on this:

I would definitely place a lot of importance on
240 Hz / Back Light Scanning 480
over
120 Hz / Back Light Scanning 240

AND I would also definitely place a lot of importance on
120 Hz / Back Light Scanning 240
over
120 Hz / No Back Light Scanning

But I would NOT care much at all about
120 Hz / Back Light Scanning 480
over
120 Hz / Back Light Scanning 240

...because in that last case, if done correctly, the sample-and-hold smearing has already been defeated, and pulsing higher only raises the brightness. I think that's where our differences lie.
post #129 of 3974
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Hopefully two more days, my order still shows (ship date is still showing as my order submit date).

Items:
1
Order Status:
PROCESSING
Estimated Ship Date:
03/25/2013

Order Status: READY FOR SHIPMENT Estimated Ship Date: 04/16/2013

Woohoo!!!
post #130 of 3974
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Hopefully two more days, my order still shows (ship date is still showing as my order submit date).

Items:
1
Order Status:
PROCESSING
Estimated Ship Date:
03/25/2013

Order Status: READY FOR SHIPMENT Estimated Ship Date: 04/16/2013

Woohoo!!!


NOW comes the added burden on you of supplying us all with a bazillion pictures of the thing. Top, side, underneath, on a hammock, with a spilled diet coke on top, front with an eye for bleed and flashlighting, off angle viewing.....

smile.gif

Can't wait to hear what you have to say about the beast.
post #131 of 3974
...I'm anxiously awaiting your review... very torn between the Sony and Sharp 70" screens...
post #132 of 3974
I had the sharp 70 it was horrible! I watch mainly sports and play madden and nhl on ps3 any motion was blury as all hell espescially with fast movement... I returned it immediately and bought the 60" nx to hold me over until this thing came out... now im in the same boat as the guy above...ready for shipment estimated to ship today. Sore thumb from refreshing that page!!!
post #133 of 3974
Which model sharp did you have?
post #134 of 3974
I have been waiting for these sets to make it to the street and get some prelim reviews.

But what has gone on with Sony and some sort of "street" pricing. Been a Sony fanboy for 40 years (Trinitron 17 inch) and no longer see any signs of any type of discount pricing. Are those days gone? Is the Price on the Sony factory store the basic price that one will not pay? Even a year ago I was able to buy Sony sets for less than Amazon, and less than the Sony Store, but since then my local dealer has dropped Sony as they will not fix any set on warranty locally. All warranty problems must be boxed up and sent back to Sony. Anyone have any idea what is going on with Sony.
post #135 of 3974
I forget the model but it was when they first came out with the 70". It was my first non sony purchase, i was going from the 70xbr2. I absolutely hated the sharp. Like going from mercedes to honda imo.
post #136 of 3974
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I forget the model but it was when they first came out with the 70". It was my first non sony purchase, i was going from the 70xbr2. I absolutely hated the sharp. Like going from mercedes to honda imo.
Sounds like an old Sharp so really not a fair comparison. I will be comparing the Sony to the Sharp le757 and iexpect the Sharp to win. We will see. As the Sharp is 240hz native v 120 on the Sony hockey andsoccer shoud loor better on the Sharp.
post #137 of 3974
Hello, Jeff
Something fun is on its way. To track your order, go to My Account and select Order Information.

Finally!!!
post #138 of 3974
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Hello, Jeff
Something fun is on its way. To track your order, go to My Account and select Order Information.

Finally!!!

No kidding.........so help me God if you guys don't post back soon.......... smile.gif
post #139 of 3974
Something fun is on the way to me too!!! smile.gif

Going to try and have it delivered on Apr 24th.
post #140 of 3974
Nice! My delivery is scheduled for tuesday the 23rd...time to mount the nx on the bedroom wall...not fun!
post #141 of 3974
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Sounds like an old Sharp so really not a fair comparison. I will be comparing the Sony to the Sharp le757 and iexpect the Sharp to win. We will see. As the Sharp is 240hz native v 120 on the Sony hockey andsoccer shoud loor better on the Sharp.

Do you guys know if the new sharp LC70LE857U is local dimming or not?
What about the older LC70LE847U
post #142 of 3974
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Originally Posted by jyeh74 View Post

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Originally Posted by kerednai View Post

Sounds like an old Sharp so really not a fair comparison. I will be comparing the Sony to the Sharp le757 and iexpect the Sharp to win. We will see. As the Sharp is 240hz native v 120 on the Sony hockey andsoccer shoud loor better on the Sharp.

Do you guys know if the new sharp LC70LE857U is local dimming or not?
What about the older LC70LE847U

What's the name of this thread again? :-P
post #143 of 3974
I ordered the 70 last Friday and it came in today, but we are out of town so I can't take delivery until Monday afternoon. Im far from a screen snob, but ill try to take pics and post them up in the evening.
post #144 of 3974
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Originally Posted by TacoEater View Post

I ordered the 70 last Friday and it came in today, but we are out of town so I can't take delivery until Monday afternoon. Im far from a screen snob, but ill try to take pics and post them up in the evening.


Well.........................................................crap.
post #145 of 3974
Dropped by my friends to check out his new KDL-70R550A
I was impressed. Compared to the XBR-65HX950 (full array LED) vs this edge lit, I was expecting the picture to be sub par. On cable HD channels, it is a little blurry and not as sharp as the XBR, but overall not too shabby. I expected this TV, without local dimming, to have some lighting issues, but it did not. With Motionflow of 120hz, we watched some action movies and sports. Could not tell the difference vs this one and the XBR. The exterior was nice, sleek silver stand which complements the thin black bezel. I actually prefer this to the gorilla glass, which is a magnate for fingerprints. On 3D, you can tell the difference with passive 3D vs the active 3D on the XBR. Sit too close to the TV in 3D mode and the picture is blurry. It has to be at a minimum viewing angle of about 5 feet away. The text/words, you can see the horizontal lines, but other than that, the 3D pops out just as much as the active 3D and is very bright.

My opinion, save the $2000 and go with this unit. May not have the clearest picture, but once it is on blu ray, you can't really tell the difference.

Oh yeah, the "Sony" logo does not light up. Not sure if that's an XBR feature.
Edited by jyeh74 - 4/19/13 at 11:11pm
post #146 of 3974
i have to ask and im not trying to be a pain either but- why would anyone buy a tv when they havent even scene what the picture quality is? specs are all good when they write them down- but wouldnt you want to see the actual picture first?
post #147 of 3974
Any possibility of getting some pictures of dark scenes in some movies, a black screen, and some pictures of blu-ray movies? We are all eager for as many pictures as we can get. Thanks!
post #148 of 3974
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Any possibility of getting some pictures of dark scenes in some movies, a black screen, and some pictures of blu-ray movies? We are all eager for as many pictures as we can get. Thanks!


I think the "black screen" is best being a "black screen with a small bright object in the middle".

It's difficult. I want clarification though:

Where the black bars on the top and bottom during a Blu-Ray movie showing any edge bleed at all during any of the scenes?
post #149 of 3974
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Seriously though, the only thing that's irking me now is spending $2000 (including warranty extention) on a 60" 2K tv when 4K is proving more and more around the corner. This is a tough one.
post #150 of 3974
You could find a left over ex645/model of your choice until 4k sets become more common. the 60 inch pops up for $1000 at a couple places in my area.

And I would prefer the picture of a pure black screen to see all essence of ambient blacklight bleed, but thanks for your input. Both are handy tests and at this point ANY pictures of the set in action would be greatly appreciated.
Edited by JacobC1983 - 4/20/13 at 8:51am
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