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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Did you verify that it's not discarding frames, or are you just going by what the TV says?



I used EVGA Pixel Clock OC to set the refresh rate to 120 Hz. The refresh rate multitool can be found here: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1423433


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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

My 70" loses it's wifi connection every time I turn it off. I re-set it and it's fine. When the TV is connected my lap top is gone. Weird. Belkin N+ router.

Have you tried a wired Ethernet connection for comparison?
Edited by Herro RaRa - 6/21/13 at 8:40pm
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question to people with minor flashlighting on their sets... how minor is the flashlighting?? is it just noticeable in dark scenes? and is it on all 4 corner??? just want to see if i should return my set or not cause i have the 50" and it does have flashlighting on all 4's worse usually on the right of the screen.. comes out about a good 2 inches from the corners and can really see it on dark screens.. this is honestly my 4th 50" r550a ive exchanged for others had worse flashlighting.. and frankly im tired of exchanging the tv especially when the people at best buy look at me funny and tell me theres nothing wrong.. just want to see and gather other peoples thoughts on what kind of flashlighting is acceptable to keep. i love the tv looks great low imput lag for gaming and game mode doesnt look like it takes away from the picture so before i return it and just look for something else i want some imput.. i got the tv for 770 bucks at best buy plus got their 3D blu ray for free so i duno
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Originally Posted by Herro RaRa View Post

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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Did you verify that it's not discarding frames, or are you just going by what the TV says?



I used EVGA Pixel Clock OC to set the refresh rate to 120 Hz. The refresh rate multitool can be found here: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1423433
 

 

I know how I'd design it if it were me, but looking at the instructions for the thing, I'm not at all sure I understand what it's doing.

 

Is that center window a photo of the screen, or just what is sent to the screen?

 

Can you configure the tool to output different batches of frames (4 in sequence, vs. 6, etc., incase of frame dropping not being every-other)?

 

If configured for just alternating frames, do you see both identically?

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Question to 3D 550 owners. Why do you think Sony chose Passive when all of their other sets have Active? Also, why offer their largest set, 70", in a mid range price point? Personally I think it's a brilliant marketing move on Sony's part, I'm just surprised that they did it. I imagine they feel that Passive is the way to go with upcoming 4K technology, since it's brighter and can deliver a 1080P signal to each eye.
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

Question to 3D 550 owners. Why do you think Sony chose Passive when all of their other sets have Active? Also, why offer their largest set, 70", in a mid range price point? Personally I think it's a brilliant marketing move on Sony's part, I'm just surprised that they did it. I imagine they feel that Passive is the way to go with upcoming 4K technology, since it's brighter and can deliver a 1080P signal to each eye.

 

Their top of the line XBR X900A 4K set is passive.  So is their W802A (in addition to the R550).  Of their 2013 3D models, only one is still Active I believe: The KDL W900A.  I love how easy it is on the eyes, and I prefer it for 2K as well.

 

As far as their official stance on passive, they said words to the effect of "we believe active 3D to be a superior technology but recognize that the public wants passive, so we will supply it."  <---Note, this is a very rough paraphrase.  A begrudging cave-in to market demands.  Good too: it's the right decision.  I mean, expensive battery powered glasses?  I'm not willing to put up with that.  I know of people buying the passive glasses a dozen at a wack for parties, etc.

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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

Question to 3D 550 owners. Why do you think Sony chose Passive when all of their other sets have Active? Also, why offer their largest set, 70", in a mid range price point? Personally I think it's a brilliant marketing move on Sony's part, I'm just surprised that they did it. I imagine they feel that Passive is the way to go with upcoming 4K technology, since it's brighter and can deliver a 1080P signal to each eye.

Sony has stated that although they believe active 3D gives a superior picture, the consumer has chosen passive 3D and they want to give consumers what they prefer. I would imagine it also has something to do with Sony switching to LG sourced panels this year and all passive 3D HDTV's use LG's FPR tech.
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While watching hockey, more noticeable on the ice. Does anyone see very faint vertical lines looking from an extreme side angle, pretty much sideways. I know it looks washed out and not from what you should be watching from. Just curious if others see it. I have the 70".

I can see it head on to, but it takes a good eye and is extremely faint. Not sure if its the source, TV or what. You definitely need a white background to see it like watching hockey.
Edited by Ripper64 - 6/22/13 at 7:48pm
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This last week I bought both the 50" Sony R550A as well as the 55" LG LA7400, as both were on sale and easy enough to buy. For those interested, I wrote up my impressions of both sets over on the LG owner's thread. You can find my post here. Overall, I really liked both sets but ended up keeping the LG for a number of reasons which you can see in the other thread.
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Originally Posted by airecken View Post

Settings:
Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: 7
Picture: Max
Brightness: 54
Color: 51
Hue: R1
Sharpness: 15 (anything above min causes moire artifact, but I think 15 looks a little better)
Color Temperature: Warm
Noise/Mpeg Noise: Off
Motionflow/CineMotion: Up to your personal preference or source material. (I like Motionflow High/CineMotion Auto 2 for standard material).
Advanced Settings: All Off, Gamma -1
These are looking pretty good thus far. I think I might turn down the backlight a bit though, seems white is nearly eye-searing, especially at night.

Orange and Red seem a bit intense as well, but I find those 2 colours always the most difficult to get right. Combine that with the fact that this TV seems to have overblown reds out of the box, only makes it more difficult.
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Hi all. So I just picked up the 50" version over this past weekend and have it connected to my HTPC via AMD 5770. The display though through AMDs panel shows it being recognized as having only 60hz capabilities although all specs state its a 120hz panel. How do I enable 120 through my HTPC or is this even possible?
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Can anybody post pricing for the 60" at Costco in the US? I'm more interested in current pricing, but historical pricing is a good place to start as well. I'm in Canada but close enough to the border and considering a trip down to purchase. The 60" is about $2100 + $300 in taxes at Costco here in Montreal. I saw it on the Best Buy site for about $1360 and roughly the same on Amazon but that was about a week ago. Now both have it listed around $1650. At that price its really not worth it since I still have to pay taxes at the border if I import. I've also seen it at Abe's of Maine for around $1500 but not sure if I can get that shipped to the UPS Store in Plattsburg since they use freight delivery and not UPS. Any US pricing info would be much appreciated. Also, can anybody tell me where the TV was assembled? Is it still Mexico? Would be great if I didn't have to pay duty at the border.
Edited by stibone - 6/24/13 at 5:51am
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Settings:
Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: 7
Picture: Max
Brightness: 54
Color: 51
Hue: R1
Sharpness: 15 (anything above min causes moire artifact, but I think 15 looks a little better)
Color Temperature: Warm
Noise/Mpeg Noise: Off
Motionflow/CineMotion: Up to your personal preference or source material. (I like Motionflow High/CineMotion Auto 2 for standard material).
Advanced Settings: All Off, Gamma -1
These are looking pretty good thus far. I think I might turn down the backlight a bit though, seems white is nearly eye-searing, especially at night.

Orange and Red seem a bit intense as well, but I find those 2 colours always the most difficult to get right. Combine that with the fact that this TV seems to have overblown reds out of the box, only makes it more difficult.

 

Someone recently calibrated the TV using equipment and opted for pushing the green as a result of this.  BTW, yellow's are such a PITA for TVs it seems---it employs the two additive primaries (R/G) that we are most sensitive to (compared to blue).  When you read yellow, read "yellow through brown".  Also read "skin tones for any race" (outside the Na'vi).  I have to applaud the attempts at displays with yellow subs (X900A, etc.).

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I used EVGA Pixel Clock OC to set the refresh rate to 120 Hz. The refresh rate multitool can be found here: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1423433

I am not able to get 120hz at 1080p, only 720p.

This is with a GTX780 now with direct HDMI connection (using nvidia control panel and trying all modes). Anything over 60hz is frame skipping for me. That screenshot doesn't really tell us anything. When you run RRM every block should flash sequentially. At 120hz for me only every other block flashes. If you are not sure what it should look like try running the tool at 60hz. If you indeed got 120hz working without skipping that would be great news.
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Originally Posted by Herro RaRa View Post



I used EVGA Pixel Clock OC to set the refresh rate to 120 Hz. The refresh rate multitool can be found here: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1423433

I am not able to get 120hz at 1080p, only 720p.

This is with a GTX780 now with direct HDMI connection (using nvidia control panel and trying all modes). Anything over 60hz is frame skipping for me. That screenshot doesn't really tell us anything. When you run RRM every block should flash sequentially. At 120hz for me only every other block flashes. If you are not sure what it should look like try running the tool at 60hz. If you indeed got 120hz working without skipping that would be great news.

 

Correct and correct.  I think he's looking at what is being sent to the display and not reporting on what the display is outputting.  And what the display "reports" in the corner is more of what's coming in, not what's displayed, and doesn't mean much more than that.

 

I don't have that tool, so if someone could PM him to help him verify just what it is he's seeing for real, then we'd know for sure one way or the other.  If he's wrong (I'm betting he is), he can then edit his original post.

 

It would be terrible for someone to order one of these things based upon that and find out it doesn't work.

 

THAT SAID, if it turns out he got one that works at 1080p120, then it's still obviously a crapshoot, at least currently.

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I looking to buy a 70" 3d tv and will probably go with the sony r550a.
I've read a few posts here and on amazon in which readers state they have bought the sony at a cheaper price the the vizio.
Are we permitted to mention prices? Right now on Amazon I'm seeing the sony at about $600 more the the vizio. And I read others saying
they paid a few hundred less, and 300 less for the sony then the vizio? Is there someplace I can find out what the prices are
others have paid for the sony? This way I can try to get a good price.
Thanks.
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There was a sale recently I believe so the price was down. I think the 70" was about $2200. If you wait, it'll go back down.

AFAIK Sony uses UPP which means you wont really find differing deals anywhere and almost everywhere will be the same price.
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At one time Fry's Electronics was selling the 70R550A for $1599. Nobody else was within $800 at that time.
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Originally Posted by eddiegorniakjr View Post

I looking to buy a 70" 3d tv and will probably go with the sony r550a.
I've read a few posts here and on amazon in which readers state they have bought the sony at a cheaper price the the vizio.
Are we permitted to mention prices? Right now on Amazon I'm seeing the sony at about $600 more the the vizio. And I read others saying
they paid a few hundred less, and 300 less for the sony then the vizio? Is there someplace I can find out what the prices are
others have paid for the sony? This way I can try to get a good price.
Thanks.

Amazon will not pricematch any previous sale that are no longer active.

I was able to pick up the 70" at Frys for $1599 back around 5/19/13 ish date and have not seen this tv less than $2100 since.

even at $2100, this could be a deal. A lot of venders are throwing in a free BD player which is $100 ish in cost as well as sony providing 1 year free of netflix and 1 year free of hulu, which is another $192 in savings.

so $2100 tv with $300 is bonus.
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Thans everyone. I moved the end of May. My wife has been wanting me to buy a cheap tv for the kitchen. But I wanted to get a better tv then the 52" Sony led that's on our living room wall.
Then I will move the one from our living room into the kitchen. I was looking for passive 3d because we have 10 grandchildren ages 6 mos to 11 years old. I was looking at 60" LGs.
Then I just happen to see that Sony was now using passive 3d too instead of just active. So I will try to get it for around $2000 without anything included or a couple hundred higher with some freebies.
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You won't regret buying the Sony. Just follow the leads here on how to set it up and calibrate it. My 60" went into the bedroom. It's huge in there. You might see some sales around the 4th of July. It comes with 4pr of glasses.
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Thans everyone. I moved the end of May. My wife has been wanting me to buy a cheap tv for the kitchen. But I wanted to get a better tv then the 52" Sony led that's on our living room wall.
Then I will move the one from our living room into the kitchen. I was looking for passive 3d because we have 10 grandchildren ages 6 mos to 11 years old. I was looking at 60" LGs.
Then I just happen to see that Sony was now using passive 3d too instead of just active. So I will try to get it for around $2000 without anything included or a couple hundred higher with some freebies.

I've shopped it for awhile. Best buy I've seen is $2198 on an "Amazing" on-line store and at the BestBlue store. Yep, French Fries had that crazy blow out deal some time ago....but I was not one of the lucky ones to get that. Mine is scheduled to arrive tomorrow from that Amazing on-line store. And I'm supposed to get a year of Netflix and Hulu+, plus 30 days of Sony music as the current promo.

Btw, it's replacing the $1600 70inch Vizio I tried. The Vizio has a bad habit of freezing, shutting off and making a loud popping sound when you're trying to watch Netflix. The wife said, "For $600 more, just get the Sony." Uh, I couldn't get back on-line quick enough. Gotta love a wife that understands the importance of electronics. biggrin.gif

(don't know if we can mention actual store names, but my code should be quite easy)
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One of the downsides of having a 70" HDTV is that if it is fed an overly compressed signal, then picture defects/artifacts are much more noticeable. I had a chance this weekend to spend some time testing various sources and was very happy overall with the performance of my new Sony. Our local cable company uses quite a bit of compression, however I have generally been quite pleased with what I watch. The Sunday NASCAR race was very emersive. I streamed a couple of HD Netflix offerings and the results were very good. I took a little time out to re-watch the Blu-Ray "Skyfall". Finally, the 2.35:1 format of the film is large enough that it can really be a theater like viewing experience. Absolutely great detail, color and a pure pleasure to watch. This Sony really performs! Call me a happy camper at this point...
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Is the free Netflix/Hulu thing part of this new TV in general, or is it store-specific? I had no info included with the TV about these offers when I got the 60" from hh gregg.

The settings I'm happiest with at this point are pretty close:

Settings:
Picture Mode: Custom / General Scene
Backlight: 7
Picture: Max
Brightness: 52
Color: 50
Hue: G3
Sharpness: 15
Color Temperature: Neutral
Noise/Mpeg Noise: Off
Motionflow/CineMotion: Up to your personal preference or source material. (I like Motionflow High/CineMotion Auto 2 for standard material).
Advanced Settings: Black Corrector: Low, Gamma: 0, Clear White: High and Live Color: Low, everything else off.

The Warm setting is just too brown/yellow for my taste. One of those annoying Progressive Insurance ads came on and Flo's background should be stark white, but in the Warm setting it looked yellowish, so I've backed off the Warm to Neutral and it looks better to me. Black and White stuff looks correct to me too at the Neutral setting.

Harry
Edited by HGN2001 - 6/24/13 at 3:39pm
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Andy,

As I have mentioned, I bought this TV last week. Haven't had any time to play with it much as I had to leave on a business trip as soon as I bought it. But I liked what I saw for the short time I was home with it. But now that I have had time to think about it on the road, I am beginning to have buyers remorse. I am primarily interested in it for sports(50%), games(25%), and movies(25%). The Sony only has a native 120hz panel. But I have been reading some reviews of the Samsung LEDs (f7100 & f8000). Those both have native 240hz panels. I am thinking that I would be better off with the Samsung's 240hz refresh rate for sports - primarily football and hockey. Am I correct on that assumption? I know the jump from 60 to 120 was very noticeable, but can the eye tell much difference between the 120 and 240? Also, this is our first 3D. Is it true most people are happier with the passive Sony 3D vs. active 3D on sets like the Samsungs? Trying to decide between these three sets. Money isn't the issue. Just want the best for our needs, for this will be it for five years or so.
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Originally Posted by HGN2001 View Post

Is the free Netflix/Hulu thing part of this new TV in general, or is it store-specific. I had no info included with the TV about these offers when I got the 60" from hh gregg.

The Netflix/Hulu+ is a general offer. look here:

http://discover.store.sony.com/netflix/
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Originally Posted by fr8doggr View Post

Andy,

As I have mentioned, I bought this TV last week. Haven't had any time to play with it much as I had to leave on a business trip as soon as I bought it. But I liked what I saw for the short time I was home with it. But now that I have had time to think about it on the road, I am beginning to have buyers remorse. I am primarily interested in it for sports(50%), games(25%), and movies(25%). The Sony only has a native 120hz panel. But I have been reading some reviews of the Samsung LEDs (f7100 & f8000). Those both have native 240hz panels. I am thinking that I would be better off with the Samsung's 240hz refresh rate for sports - primarily football and hockey. Am I correct on that assumption? I know the jump from 60 to 120 was very noticeable, but can the eye tell much difference between the 120 and 240? Also, this is our first 3D. Is it true most people are happier with the passive Sony 3D vs. active 3D on sets like the Samsungs? Trying to decide between these three sets. Money isn't the issue. Just want the best for our needs, for this will be it for five years or so.

I know a couple of people on here have had issues with some motion handling for hockey and etc. but personally from what I've seen on the R550, it's handled motion as well as you'd expect for an LCD (as good as what I've seen from the F7100 and F8000, regardless of their 240Hz spec.) Is it worth jumping from the 120 to the 240? Not necessarily, at least in my opinion. What would make the upgrade to the F7100 and/or more primarily the F8000 a worthwhile upgrade, would be the overall improved performance (uniformity, contrast, black levels, color accuracy.) Not to say the R550 is a slouch in some of these categories because it's absolutely not, but undoubtedly the F8000 is a better FP. And heck if your in that range, I'd look at the Sony W900A as well, that's another very, very solid performer and one that'll definitely hold its own (if not top) against the F8000.

In regards to the 3D, obviously that'll be a matter of preference, but I generally prefer passive 3D, regardless of the resolution drop.
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Thanks!
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(don't know if we can mention actual store names, but my code should be quite easy)

 

You had 183 posts when you wrote this.  And you still didn't know that we can mention Frys, Amazon, and Best Buy??????????

 

LOL.  Be honest: You were just looking for an excuse to come up with a funny code.  I actually liked the name morphing a lot, but c'mon.

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You had 183 posts when you wrote this.  And you still didn't know that we can mention Frys, Amazon, and Best Buy??????????

LOL.  Be honest: You were just looking for an excuse to come up with a funny code.  I actually liked the name morphing a lot, but c'mon.

Busted.

Actually, I didn't know if it were allowed or if we were just getting away with it. But yea, I was having fun too.
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Originally Posted by fr8doggr View Post

Andy,

As I have mentioned, I bought this TV last week. Haven't had any time to play with it much as I had to leave on a business trip as soon as I bought it. But I liked what I saw for the short time I was home with it. But now that I have had time to think about it on the road, I am beginning to have buyers remorse. I am primarily interested in it for sports(50%), games(25%), and movies(25%). The Sony only has a native 120hz panel. But I have been reading some reviews of the Samsung LEDs (f7100 & f8000). Those both have native 240hz panels. I am thinking that I would be better off with the Samsung's 240hz refresh rate for sports - primarily football and hockey. Am I correct on that assumption? I know the jump from 60 to 120 was very noticeable, but can the eye tell much difference between the 120 and 240? Also, this is our first 3D. Is it true most people are happier with the passive Sony 3D vs. active 3D on sets like the Samsungs? Trying to decide between these three sets. Money isn't the issue. Just want the best for our needs, for this will be it for five years or so.

Cut from a Cnet article (may be of interest to ya):

"If you're annoyed by motion blur, you're better off getting the highest-refresh-rate LCD you can get, or stick with plasma (or OLED).
However, not everyone notices, or is bothered by motion blur. I do/am, and it's one of the main reasons I prefer plasma over LCD (the other being contrast ratio). As mentioned earlier, David doesn't/isn't. We both have highly critical eyes when it comes to TVs, but because the perception of motion blur is so subjective, we're both right. Are you bothered by motion blur?"


Kinda reminds me of the old rainbow effect of DLP. Some see it and have issues with it, some don't.
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