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post #2011 of 3981
placed an order at buysquard 2149 shipped. Local costco has it for 2299+tax.
post #2012 of 3981
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Long time lurker in this thread and I finally thought it was time to jump in with a post. I bought the 70 inch version in June (if your company has a program called 'Corporate Perks' then look into their deal with Sony) and so far I've been very impressed. I don't have any blobs or any flashlighting but I do have very, very (ever so slight) clouding around the edges. When I get a chance I plan to give it a massage, but it's really not a priority since it's not that noticeable. FIOS cable looks very good and Blu-Rays look fantastic. If anyone is on the fence I'd definitely recommend giving this TV a try.



Anyway, I think the begging and pleading in the last few posts has finally convinced me to give the bias lighting a go and I found the following set on Amazon for what seems like a reasonable price:
http://www.amazon.com/Antec-HDTV-51-1-Inch-BIAS-LIGHTING/dp/B007TG5EG8
I'll post here again with my impressions if I do decide to hit the checkout button.


The thing I like about this set over the do-it-yourself lighting is that I should be able to power it via the usb port and have it turn on and off automatically with the monitor (can anyone verify this works for this TV?).


Anyway, now that I broke the ice, I'll probably chime in here and there if I have something worth saying (and more importantly, worth listening to).

that light strip looks interesting. post back once you got it and let us know how you like it.
post #2013 of 3981
Hope the 3rd time is the charm! Second 70" is headed back to Best Buy. This one was worse than the first! frown.gif Lots of clouding, flashlighting from 3 corners, and screen bleeding on the right hand side.
post #2014 of 3981
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Great idea!  I don't have any though because mine was totally home grown.  I love it too:
Outlet Strip
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Outlet to Bulb holder converter
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40 watt bulb

In my case, I'm using one of those clear "vanity bulbs", but the whole thing sits behind the set on the same surface the set is mounted on.  And the bulb is high enough that you're not staring at it from under the set.

As stated earlier on in the thread, the "official" bias lighting is fine, but severe overkill.  Especially since it largely depends upon the color of your wall.  My wall is yellow.  It all works great.

I ran a 12 foot white LED rope light taped to the back of the 70 incher. My wall is flat black though. So Imma pick up another rope light. I don't think it's bright enough with the flat black wall (told ya it was a cave).

Anyhow TGM, what color rope light ya think to add to this white one? White again or maybe blue? Thanks.

 

A Darth Vader relative?  Flat black sets up one very weird surface to control the reflectance of.  The entire point of flat black is: 1. no specular reflectance (flat), and minimal overall reflectance (black).  OYE!

 

Pummel it with as much white light as you can.  I have no idea how well it will work: I'd have to know how well the black is at being black.  Aye yi yi....

post #2015 of 3981
Gonna try the bias light thing. I am not really that picky when it come to the picture, but from what I have read about it, it seems worth trying.

I have another question. As I have mentioned I record TV with BTV, using a HD-PVR. The HD-PVR records from the Composite off of the STB. My old Sony only had 2 HDMI ports so I was using a HDMI switch between my STB and Blu-Ray, the computer connected directly to the other. Since I now no longer need a switch I have to leave the TV on picture off mode to record premium channels. If the TV is powered down, I get a message saying my viewing device is not HDCP compliant and the show will not play.

Does anyone see a problem with leaving the TV in Picture off mode, or should I add my HDMI switch back in, so I can power it down?

I just checked and I am pulling about 210 watts from my setup right now with it sitting idle. That includes the STB, TV and PC. I have a APC UPS on the system. When I get home tonight I will see how much power it pulls with the TV powered down completely.
post #2016 of 3981
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A Darth Vader relative?  Flat black sets up one very weird surface to control the reflectance of.  The entire point of flat black is: 1. no specular reflectance (flat), and minimal overall reflectance (black).  OYE!

Pummel it with as much white light as you can.  I have no idea how well it will work: I'd have to know how well the black is at being black.  Aye yi yi....

lol I know, I know. The wall is actually a large rectangle of flat black - looking like a huge larger tv on the wall behind the actual tv. And the surrounding wall is dark satin grey. I originally did that because it just seemed cool when the 50 inch plasma was up there. But it's kinda outta whack now since the 70 doesn't sit so squared in the middle of the big flat black rectangle.

Point being, I could always paint out the big black rectangle. I did run it last night with just the one 9W 12 foot LED rope light. With no light coming from the windows, it looks great. During the day though when a little light bleeds past the black blinds (yes, black) the bias light is hardly noticeable. So I'm gonna tie in another 12 foot strip of white LED and see.

Either way, I like messing with this. So far I feel the effect is a picture floating in the air. Cool.

And because I know you're wondering, the bedroom the tv is in has dark grey walls and ceiling with that flat black rectangle on the tv wall and flat black "blotches" of paint all over the ceiling. There blotches of dark brown on another wall and the carpet is dark brown with black trim. Windows are tinted and covered with sun screens and then black blinds. Furniture is black and grey tool boxes. I purposely created "my cave". Yea, I'm a little weird.
post #2017 of 3981
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A Darth Vader relative?  Flat black sets up one very weird surface to control the reflectance of.  The entire point of flat black is: 1. no specular reflectance (flat), and minimal overall reflectance (black).  OYE!

Pummel it with as much white light as you can.  I have no idea how well it will work: I'd have to know how well the black is at being black.  Aye yi yi....

lol I know, I know. The wall is actually a large rectangle of flat black - looking like a huge larger tv on the wall behind the actual tv. And the surrounding wall is dark satin grey. I originally did that because it just seemed cool when the 50 inch plasma was up there. But it's kinda outta whack now since the 70 doesn't sit so squared in the middle of the big flat black rectangle.

Point being, I could always paint out the big black rectangle. I did run it last night with just the one 9W 12 foot LED rope light. With no light coming from the windows, it looks great. During the day though when a little light bleeds past the black blinds (yes, black) the bias light is hardly noticeable. So I'm gonna tie in another 12 foot strip of white LED and see.

Either way, I like messing with this. So far I feel the effect is a picture floating in the air. Cool.

And because I know you're wondering, the bedroom the tv is in has dark grey walls and ceiling with that flat black rectangle on the tv wall and flat black "blotches" of paint all over the ceiling. There blotches of dark brown on another wall and the carpet is dark brown with black trim. Windows are tinted and covered with sun screens and then black blinds. Furniture is black and grey tool boxes. I purposely created "my cave". Yea, I'm a little weird.

 

You apparently don't have any issues with depression.  Holy moley, that'd make most of us jump off a cliff.

 

In any case, you're the first person for me to suggest this as a critical component to your bias lighting:

 

post #2018 of 3981
Here's a bias lighting strip from ebay that many folks like on the ST60 forum....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3528-5M-SMD-Flexible-LED-Strip-Lights-cool-white-IP33-Dimmer-12V2A-Power-/310621089492?pt=US_String_Lights_Fairy_Lights&var=610178518768&hash=item485275aed4

Just make sure you choose the TYPE to include the whole kit. It comes with a dimmer and apparently the light output gets between 6000K and 6500K. I haven't tried it but looks promising from what others have described.
Edited by cpie65 - 8/16/13 at 1:38pm
post #2019 of 3981
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You apparently don't have any issues with depression.  Holy moley, that'd make most of us jump off a cliff.

In any case, you're the first person for me to suggest this as a critical component to your bias lighting:



Your unhealthy obsession with bias lighting is much more disturbing than the other dudes "dark house"
post #2020 of 3981
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Your unhealthy obsession with bias lighting is much more disturbing than the other dudes "dark house"

 

Your unhealthy response is hardly impressive.

post #2021 of 3981
A crazy thing about my dark house... 10 years ago when I moved from gray Michigan to sunny Vegas it had a lot to do with leaving the depressing gray skies of MI. But then I got here to the desert and I ended up eventually blocking out the house from as much of the Sun & light as I could. You'd think the black, oxblood red and battleship grey walls would be depressing, but I think I get plenty of Sun the moment I walk outside with Vegas' 300 days of sunshine. Put it this way, my 7 year old solar watch has never read lower than "full" charge.
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A crazy thing about my dark house... 10 years ago when I moved from gray Michigan to sunny Vegas it had a lot to do with leaving the depressing gray skies of MI. But then I got here to the desert and I ended up eventually blocking out the house from as much of the Sun & light as I could. You'd think the black, oxblood red and battleship grey walls would be depressing, but I think I get plenty of Sun the moment I walk outside with Vegas' 300 days of sunshine. Put it this way, my 7 year old solar watch has never read lower than "full" charge.

 

LOL.  Well luckily, you have to "resize" the black rectangle anyway, so perhaps it'll work better.

 

Since we're woefully off topic, your story reminds me of something that makes me laugh to this day.  I asked someone from Tempe many years ago why it is that Arizona doesn't do daylight savings time.  His response: "We're a desert.  The last thing in the world we need is more @#$%ing sunshine."

post #2023 of 3981
I love it! Lol
post #2024 of 3981
Which is better picture quality?

75" F6300 Samsung for $2899 OR
70" R550A Sony for $2199

I got the Sony already with passive 3d and its great..really like picture during day, vibrant and colorful. Downside i noticed some led bleeding especially when I turn on the TV on one or two corners and the smart apps are very slow to load up. Also I find the screen not flat. When I see reflection I see them wobbly. I have an older LCD 52 Sony that does not have the wobbly screen. When watching, I don't see it. Only when TV is off or a dark seen is showen

The samsung has dual core, with samsung app layout. I hear it is better since it uses galaxy software. So is 600 worth the price diffrence to go 5 inches larger with no 3d?

What would you recommend? Sony or Samsung

Thanks!!
post #2025 of 3981
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Originally Posted by bluefranky222 View Post

Which is better picture quality?

75" F6300 Samsung for $2899 OR
70" R550A Sony for $2199

I got the Sony already with passive 3d and its great..really like picture during day, vibrant and colorful. Downside i noticed some led bleeding especially when I turn on the TV on one or two corners and the smart apps are very slow to load up. Also I find the screen not flat. When I see reflection I see them wobbly. I have an older LCD 52 Sony that does not have the wobbly screen. When watching, I don't see it. Only when TV is off or a dark seen is showen

The samsung has dual core, with samsung app layout. I hear it is better since it uses galaxy software. So is 600 worth the price diffrence to go 5 inches larger with no 3d?

What would you recommend? Sony or Samsung

Thanks!!

Does Samsung sell any TV without a high gloss screen? I can't stand glossy screens since they reflect everything from the room. Nothing more irritating than watching tv and seeing things in the room reflecting onto the screen, especially a light someone wants on.

I remember when matte screens were the premium screens. Funny how that's changed.
post #2026 of 3981
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Does Samsung sell any TV without a high gloss screen? I can't stand glossy screens since they reflect everything from the room. Nothing more irritating than watching tv and seeing things in the room reflecting onto the screen, especially a light someone wants on.

I remember when matte screens were the premium screens. Funny how that's changed.

I for one don't like matte screens, but my least favorite are the screens that are in-between gloss and matte, those things are like mirrors. The Samsung F7100 with the extremely clear screen reflects a lot less than the 802a I had which I consider an in-betweener. I couldn't see anything but myself during the day with that thing. Then at night, it was like looking up at cloudy sky during a full moon. That thing was such a joke, especially at that price point ($1500+ for a 55")
post #2027 of 3981
The f6300 has more of a Matt finish then the 6400. The 6400 is more shiny
post #2028 of 3981
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Does Samsung sell any TV without a high gloss screen? I can't stand glossy screens since they reflect everything from the room. Nothing more irritating than watching tv and seeing things in the room reflecting onto the screen, especially a light someone wants on.

I remember when matte screens were the premium screens. Funny how that's changed.

I for one don't like matte screens, but my least favorite are the screens that are in-between gloss and matte, those things are like mirrors. The Samsung F7100 with the extremely clear screen reflects a lot less than the 802a I had which I consider an in-betweener. I couldn't see anything but myself during the day with that thing.

 

That's very odd to hear in conversational terms.  Typically (colloquially), specular reflection increases with "gloss" because that's how people usually define the term "gloss" in the first place.  A reflection metric, not a smoothness one.  Semi-gloss paint for instance, is every bit as smooth as gloss, but has less mirror-like surface.  So when I hear people talk about something in between gloss and matte, they're talking about less reflection than gloss and more than matte.

 

The Sharp Moth-Eye is a smooth facing glass.  It's not considered "gloss" conversationally because it's a "museum glass" style anti-reflection technology.  Truly wizbang.  <---industry term.

 

The Samsungs from years ago at least I found to be hit or miss here: The mid-range Samsung facing glass on the 2010 C6300 was both glass-smooth, but somehow did a good job at reducing reflections (but no-where near Moth-Eye).

 

2012 was truly the era of mirror TVs and I think it's put all of the videophiles on edge about the concept.  Almost all 2012 LGs for instance IMO were a disaster.

post #2029 of 3981
+1
post #2030 of 3981
Any Canadian owners here? Where did you buy? Best price seen? This is for the 70 inch that is smile.gif
post #2031 of 3981
I bought the 70" from Costco online and so far so good. Is this TV supposed to come with a years free Netflix and if so should I have received a promotional leaflet with the TV. The box said R55 so I'm wondering if the Costco version is packaged differently?
post #2032 of 3981
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I bought the 70" from Costco online and so far so good. Is this TV supposed to come with a years free Netflix and if so should I have received a promotional leaflet with the TV. The box said R55 so I'm wondering if the Costco version is packaged differently?

Try the following Link. There was no leaflet in my 70". Also there is an App on the TV that has information on the promotion.
post #2033 of 3981
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That's very odd to hear in conversational terms.  Typically (colloquially), specular reflection increases with "gloss" because that's how people usually define the term "gloss" in the first place.  A reflection metric, not a smoothness one.  Semi-gloss paint for instance, is every bit as smooth as gloss, but has less mirror-like surface.  So when I hear people talk about something in between gloss and matte, they're talking about less reflection than gloss and more than matte.

The Sharp Moth-Eye is a smooth facing glass.  It's not considered "gloss" conversationally because it's a "museum glass" style anti-reflection technology.  Truly wizbang.  <---industry term.

The Samsungs from years ago at least I found to be hit or miss here: The mid-range Samsung facing glass on the 2010 C6300 was both glass-smooth, but somehow did a good job at reducing reflections (but no-where near Moth-Eye).

2012 was truly the era of mirror TVs and I think it's put all of the videophiles on edge about the concept.  Almost all 2012 LGs for instance IMO were a disaster.

+1 on the moth eye - shame on Sharp for not launching it here. A tip when shopping and checking for glare - turn off some screens, step back and observe reflections or lack of..
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frown.gif

look how much I paid for my KDL-50R550A

http://www.thegoodguys.com.au/buyonline/Sony_50%22_%28126cm%29_Full_HD_LED_LCD_100Hz_3D_Smart_TV_KDL50R550A

DAMN THE AUSTRALIA TAX!

 

Oye.  That in USD?  Well, everything is upside down there anyway.... :)

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Oye.  That in USD?  Well, everything is upside down there anyway.... smile.gif

In US it's $1459, still bloody expensive!
post #2037 of 3981
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I bought the 70" from Costco online and so far so good. Is this TV supposed to come with a years free Netflix and if so should I have received a promotional leaflet with the TV. The box said R55 so I'm wondering if the Costco version is packaged differently?

Try the following Link. There was no leaflet in my 70". Also there is an App on the TV that has information on the promotion.

 

I'd only go for Netflix for the free trial.

 

Against my better judgement, I did sign up for the free Hulu as well, but seriously, they want a credit card so they can charge you in a year when you forget about it.  That's $7.95/month (!) if you're not careful to set a reminder.  Same with that BS "Music Unlimited" promotion.  I would suggest you skip both based on that arrogant attempt alone.

 

Oh, and by the way, HULU, shame on yourself and your pathetic engineers.  Your instructions, including how to sign up, and in, and get an account (or not to get an account) along with the instructions ON THE TV *not* coinciding with the real instructions are a complete joke.  "Sorry, you are ineligible for an account" with NO explanation why?  Only to find out it's because I was following the TV's given instructions (from the app) and they had reserved my email address.  But no explanation at all.

post #2038 of 3981
I just recently bought the Sony R550A after my Samsung LN52A's right panel started to go out (after only 3 yrs!), and I have to admit I am disappointed with it compared to the picture quality of my Sammy. The Sammy's picture was much brighter, although it was not on it's vivid mode, and the colors seemed much more accurate. I was thrilled to find someone mentioning the "lavender lip" effect, and was hoping to find as easy fix for this. I have noticed it a lot no matter what source the picture is coming in from (direct antenna or via DirecTV). Along with those spooky looking lips comes necks that look like that got some radiation burns. The second effect I am finding is that the whites are often overblown, reminding of the effects I get thru my SLR when I am trying to shoot into the sun's direction. Thanks to input from others here, I now have the Sony on a tweaked custom setting, which does help some. However, since I have not heard that many complain here about color and brightness issues, part of me is wondering if I have a slightly defective set. I would hate to take it back, get the same model only to take it home and find it's an inherent thing with the Sony.
post #2039 of 3981
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I'd only go for Netflix for the free trial.

Against my better judgement, I did sign up for the free Hulu as well, but seriously, they want a credit card so they can charge you in a year when you forget about it.  That's $7.95/month (!) if you're not careful to set a reminder.  Same with that BS "Music Unlimited" promotion.  I would suggest you skip both based on that arrogant attempt alone.

Oh, and by the way, HULU, shame on yourself and your pathetic engineers.  Your instructions, including how to sign up, and in, and get an account (or not to get an account) along with the instructions ON THE TV *not* coinciding with the real instructions are a complete joke.  "Sorry, you are ineligible for an account" with NO explanation why?  Only to find out it's because I was following the TV's given instructions (from the app) and they had reserved my email address.  But no explanation at all.

I've had Netflix streaming for a year or so now. Like that they simply gave us a free year with the Sony deal. The Music Unlimited IS a joke. You're forced to set your PS account to automatically fund your wallet so that they can charge you after the free trial. It was easy enough though to go into the account on a computer and turn the auto funding and auto renew "off" right after they forced you to do it on the tv.

Hulu WILL auto charge you after the free year. I have it set in my cell to tell me to cancel it before then. I am finding that I cannot stand watching Hulu. Hulu has current episodes of current shows. That's good. But you are subjected to a regular amount of commercials. That is not good. Since getting a DVR years ago the only time I watch commercials is during the Super Bowl. So Hulu is crap to me. Sure they have commercial free movies, but Netflix does too. And I just don't need the latest, most current releases if it means I gotta sit through commercials. But hey, guess that's what the free trial is for. To see if it's for you.
post #2040 of 3981
I painted the rectangle behind the tv to an appropriate size to match the 70 incher. I left it black, but actually noticed (and remembered) that it is not really black as much as it is charcoal. I'm finding that with the LED rope light shining on it it looks even more greyish (charcoal actually) and less black. And that seems to give the blacks on screen more "blackness". I'm liking it. I think I'm done with it other than adding a remote controlled switch I got coming from Amazon.

I could add MORE rope light for the lumens, but think this is good. If I turn off the LED (at night) the wall disappears into blackness. With the bias-light on, the rectangle is a visible charcoal black and the tv's blacks look blacker and contrast is slightly improved. You think the wall is black until you see black on the tv image. I'm liking that. Best is that the tv looks like it's floating in the air.

Bias-lighting cost=
$13 for the LED rope light
$14 for the remote controlled switch
and whatever I have in zip ties and some clear tape.
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