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Originally Posted by Stafuccijr View Post

So I just bought this TV and I've read this post in depth and can't seem to get a solution. It seems like their is a guy holding a camera during all my movies shaking up and down. It is literally making my wife and I dizzy. I have all the advanced settings turned off. Does anyone have any idea on what is wrong with this thing? Thank you in advance...

It's the soap opera effect. SOE. It's mentioned over a dozen times in the past 70 something pages. Forgot the 2 options but its something like cinemotion and something above or under it. Set it to standard and auto 2 or off off.
post #2222 of 3972
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Originally Posted by Bama29 View Post

Try the following Link. Also there is an App on the TV that has information on the promotion.

Got it! Thanks! Didnt see the promotion app before.

 

I forget exactly where in the (IMO) confusing process this was, but in relation to the Hulu offering the TV gave me incorrect instructions compared to the link.  The Netflix freebie connected ok, but I remember there being some confusing back-and-forth registration business that required a little bit of thinking.

post #2223 of 3972
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Originally Posted by Stafuccijr View Post

So I just bought this TV and I've read this post in depth and can't seem to get a solution. It seems like their is a guy holding a camera during all my movies shaking up and down. It is literally making my wife and I dizzy. I have all the advanced settings turned off. Does anyone have any idea on what is wrong with this thing? Thank you in advance...

It's the soap opera effect. SOE. It's mentioned over a dozen times in the past 70 something pages. Forgot the 2 options but its something like cinemotion and something above or under it. Set it to standard and auto 2 or off off.

 

That's not the soap opera effect.  The SOE refers to the way the motion processing manages to make even film content making it look like video.  It's not about adding any shaking up and down.

 

There are some effects with sample-and-hold displays that can give you a sickening jittery feeling. And I did find a motion setting that made me feel sick on some content. Maybe that's what he's referring to.  But SOE is that video look, and can be as smooth as silk.

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Originally Posted by Stafuccijr View Post

So I just bought this TV and I've read this post in depth and can't seem to get a solution. It seems like their is a guy holding a camera during all my movies shaking up and down. It is literally making my wife and I dizzy. I have all the advanced settings turned off. Does anyone have any idea on what is wrong with this thing? Thank you in advance...

If it does it on the news, then you've got a problem. If you're watching all modern "shaky-cam" movies, then check out an older title.

On a big screen, images have to move farther, faster than on a smaller screen.

Harry
post #2225 of 3972
I changed them both to Off as soon as I set up the TV. My LG LM7600 had the same issues but when I turned them off it actually turned off. This TV you can not even watch a movie on FX, TNT, etc. Sports there is no issues whatsoever. The more action, the more problems. I'm debating taking it back for the samsung UN55F7100 as I have seen that outside of the store and doesn't remotely have this problem.
post #2226 of 3972
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Originally Posted by HGN2001 View Post

If it does it on the news, then you've got a problem. If you're watching all modern "shaky-cam" movies, then check out an older title.

On a big screen, images have to move farther, faster than on a smaller screen.

Harry

I was watching, or should I say attempting to watch, The Departed last night and it was unwatchable.
post #2227 of 3972
Try sitting more than 3 feet from the television...

Seriously though, I am starting to really like this HDTV. I moved a SHARP 60" LED to another room just so I could have this one for the 3D. Taking some time to get used to the not-so-great off angle viewing, but the color (after adjustment) looks great. I don't think you can beat the 3D with any other HDTV, unless you want to pay thousands more.

My settings are pretty close to some of the others listed on the spreadsheet. The SHARP has CMS settings, but the color isn't really any better, especially with my additional yellow pixel.
post #2228 of 3972
I purchased a media player I'm having trouble getting my TV to display 1080p 50/60hz (both).

Screen goes black when I select them with "unsupported signal" message.

1080p 24hz works
1080i 50/60hz also works, just not 1080p.

tried a different HDMI port and cable, no difference


1080p 50/60hz is supported by this TV right?
post #2229 of 3972
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Originally Posted by infuscomus View Post

I purchased a media player I'm having trouble getting my TV to display 1080p 50/60hz (both).

Screen goes black when I select them with "unsupported signal" message.

1080p 24hz works
1080i 50/60hz also works, just not 1080p.

tried a different HDMI port and cable, no difference


1080p 50/60hz is supported by this TV right?

If you are plugging into HDMI 2 and the source is MHL there could be an issue. From the spec page on the manual:

MHL: Video: 480i, 480p, 720p, 720/30p, 1080i, 1080/30p, 1080/24p
post #2230 of 3972
I sit about 6.5 feet away from my 50 inch version of this tv. I've been playing mostly PS 3 games on it. Haven't tried a movie yet.

I've noticed that when the lighting of a scene changes, the light on the screen kind of flickers. "Flicker" is probably not the right word, but changes from a darkly lit scene to a fully lit scene, (or even a small change in degree) creates a strange effect where the screen's light goes from "on" to "off" or something.

Is that what happens with an edge lit screen? Portions of the lighting just turn off when a dark scene is on? Has anyone else experienced this? It is not quite annoying, but it is new to me.
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I sit about 6.5 feet away from my 50 inch version of this tv. I've been playing mostly PS 3 games on it. Haven't tried a movie yet.

I've noticed that when the lighting of a scene changes, the light on the screen kind of flickers. "Flicker" is probably not the right word, but changes from a darkly lit scene to a fully lit scene, (or even a small change in degree) creates a strange effect where the screen's light goes from "on" to "off" or something.

Is that what happens with an edge lit screen? Portions of the lighting just turn off when a dark scene is on? Has anyone else experienced this? It is not quite annoying, but it is new to me.

 

Sounds like you're talking about frame dimming.  It's a kind of whole-screen version of local dimming, and has distinct value that many people seem to mistakenly discount.

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Originally Posted by oneils View Post

I sit about 6.5 feet away from my 50 inch version of this tv. I've been playing mostly PS 3 games on it. Haven't tried a movie yet.

I've noticed that when the lighting of a scene changes, the light on the screen kind of flickers. "Flicker" is probably not the right word, but changes from a darkly lit scene to a fully lit scene, (or even a small change in degree) creates a strange effect where the screen's light goes from "on" to "off" or something.

Is that what happens with an edge lit screen? Portions of the lighting just turn off when a dark scene is on? Has anyone else experienced this? It is not quite annoying, but it is new to me.

turn off LED Motion or local dimming. Forgot which setting it was but It tries to pick up the ambient lighting to adjust the screen brightness. so changing camera angles will wildly change the picture
Edited by bowlopho - 9/5/13 at 2:39pm
post #2233 of 3972
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

That's not the soap opera effect.  The SOE refers to the way the motion processing manages to make even film content making it look like video.  It's not about adding any shaking up and down.

There are some effects with sample-and-hold displays that can give you a sickening jittery feeling. And I did find a motion setting that made me feel sick on some content. Maybe that's what he's referring to.  But SOE is that video look, and can be as smooth as silk.
I may be wrong about the term SOE, but those 2 settings changes the SOE look as well as the jittery screen shaking.
SOE may not create the shaking, but it makes the current shaking seem more elaborate.
post #2234 of 3972
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Originally Posted by relieftech View Post

Try sitting more than 3 feet from the television...

Seriously though, I am starting to really like this HDTV. I moved a SHARP 60" LED to another room just so I could have this one for the 3D. Taking some time to get used to the not-so-great off angle viewing, but the color (after adjustment) looks great. I don't think you can beat the 3D with any other HDTV, unless you want to pay thousands more.

My settings are pretty close to some of the others listed on the spreadsheet. The SHARP has CMS settings, but the color isn't really any better, especially with my additional yellow pixel.

I am actually looking at doing the same thing although I do not yet own this set. The yellow sub pixel is a thorn in my side. Technically my Sharp is a superior set but the fact that I cannot disable that sub pixel makes any calibration discs meaningless and requires the use of a colorimeter at the bare minimum to get the same results I can probably get from this set with the WOW disc.

If anyone in FL is unhappy with their set and wants to trade for a 70" Sharp Aquos PM me biggrin.gif
post #2235 of 3972
My old 50" dlp is on its way out and I've been looking around for a new set 1k or less and I think the 50" 550a might be winner. Kind of torn between this and the Panasonic s60 plasma but I think I am leaning toward the Sony. In terms of importance I'm 50% gaming and 50% blu ray. The Sony has great latency numbers and even though I don't use 3d its nice to have the feature. My TV room has a lot of natural light including a couple skylights so glare is a concern for daytime viewing.

Any thoughts? The LCD sound like the better option? I'd kind of like to go bigger but its not in the budget.
post #2236 of 3972
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Sounds like you're talking about frame dimming.  It's a kind of whole-screen version of local dimming, and has distinct value that many people seem to mistakenly discount.

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Originally Posted by bowlopho View Post

turn off LED Motion or local dimming. Forgot which setting it was but It tries to pick up the ambient lighting to adjust the screen brightness. so changing camera angles will wildly change the picture

Thanks guys. I think for video games I'll turn this setting off and for movies I'll try it out. Thanks again.
post #2237 of 3972
end up getting a 70 inch one from abt.com and it is very nice.

I was wondering what are the settings you are using and why? Thanks.
post #2238 of 3972
I know I should know this but i just have to ask. On semi-close ups I often see what I call a crawly face. Hard to describe if you don't know what I'm talking about. Sort of like a subtle shifting of the skin. Is it just a poor signal or is a setting problem?
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i find out that even if the signal is 3d, my tv doesn't auto switch it to 3d mode, is this known?
post #2240 of 3972
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end up getting a 70 inch one from abt.com and it is very nice.

I was wondering what are the settings you are using and why? Thanks.

check the links in the first post of this thread.

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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

I know I should know this but i just have to ask. On semi-close ups I often see what I call a crawly face. Hard to describe if you don't know what I'm talking about. Sort of like a subtle shifting of the skin. Is it just a poor signal or is a setting problem?

i see that too once in a while, but only from my dish network HD feed. never see it using any other source. i think it i is just due to crappy signal.

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i find out that even if the signal is 3d, my tv doesn't auto switch it to 3d mode, is this known?

my 70 inch does. when i pop in a 3d disc in my player the tv auto detected the 3d source and goes into 3d mode. not sure if there is a setting for this in your player or not.
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From the signature of 67jason View Post

 

Why you wouldn't want to join this forum

 

Sorry for going OT, but Holy crap!  Those guys are horrible to the new member!  I want to join that group just to beat them back a bit.  It reminds me of a recent idiot in AVS who berated a person for saying he wanted a plasma as somehow rude to put in an lcd forum.  These guys sound like they're in high school.  I feel bad for the guy that just wanted to say hello.

 

Regarding your link to the thread on cable elevators (yet another audiophile scam going), lol, here's an interesting thread on an AVS member telling his neighbor who had bought them that he has swamp land to sell him.

Cable Elevators-snake oil and fist fights

With all things, people need to learn about psychosomatic effects.


Edited by tgm1024 - 9/7/13 at 6:52am
post #2242 of 3972
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Originally Posted by linnil View Post

end up getting a 70 inch one from abt.com and it is very nice.

I was wondering what are the settings you are using and why? Thanks.
Yes, if you check out the beginning of this thread you'll be able to see several different but pretty similar settings. Similar because they've done the basic turning off and on stuff and fine tuned the rest to their liking. I'm sure after 30 minutes or so of tweaking you'll be very happy with your results. This is the only or at least one of the few threads that I've seen do this and it is genius information for all new buyers. Thank you again tgm1024.
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post
 
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Originally Posted by linnil View Post

end up getting a 70 inch one from abt.com and it is very nice.

I was wondering what are the settings you are using and why? Thanks.
Yes, if you check out the beginning of this thread you'll be able to see several different but pretty similar settings. Similar because they've done the basic turning off and on stuff and fine tuned the rest to their liking. I'm sure after 30 minutes or so of tweaking you'll be very happy with your results. This is the only or at least one of the few threads that I've seen do this and it is genius information for all new buyers. Thank you again tgm1024.

 

You're more than welcome!  I don't know of any others doing this, so feel free to spread the word about it as a concept in other threads----best case to the thread creator who can put the links in the original post.  No need to give me credit or anything; it's just a valuable idea that I remember wishing they had more of.

 

Frankly, there should be an XML based formalism among all TVs that allow external settings to be tried.  I've discussed this before, but it'd be very valuable to point your TV to a website (or a carefully formatted spreadsheet) and import settings in a single whack.  It would also allow calibrators familiar with the Sony esoteric hooey to supply suggestions based upon what the complaint might be.  Bummer really, because as far as technology goes, it's a piece of cake and pretty safe---guarding against buffer overflow attacks (etc.) is easy.

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Originally Posted by linnil View Post

i find out that even if the signal is 3d, my tv doesn't auto switch it to 3d mode, is this known?

I believe in the picture setup. The very very last option is regarding 3d
post #2245 of 3972
Hi, I don't post often (if I have before) but I had an annoying problem I solved whereby 3d would not work from 3d iso files through my, admittedly crappy, str-dh520 amp from my htpc using total media theater or power dvd. It was because the amp was masking the tv's 3d capabilities through the hdmi connection.

This is probably something rare but I'll post it here for knowledge and so that google searches will find it...

I used the app "moninfo" and some copy and pasting to the inf file to ensure that the EDID parameters were correct and attached is a good inf file for your HTPC's Device Manager=>Monitors=> Driver, if you have the same issue. If you need help understanding that, please let me know.

sony70edited.zip 1k .zip file
post #2246 of 3972
Please help! I'm debating getting this Sony 70" or vizio m70". Which would be better for gaming and a bright room? Any help from someone that actually owns the 70r550a would be appreciated.
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Please help! I'm debating getting this Sony 70" or vizio m70". Which would be better for gaming and a bright room? Any help from someone that actually owns the 70r550a would be appreciated.

I own the 70R550A and have zero regrets. I first bought the E series 70 inch Vizio and was glad to return it within 30 days. I know it is the Economy series and NOT the M series, but many things remain the same among a brand, like how it does what it claims. And the E series Vizio was, quite honestly, JUNK.

It had a great picture but nothing on it worked very well. To keep from repeating myself, just search for my username on this thread or the E series Vizio thread for details. Just know that the aps, Ethernet and wifi worked horribly. The 550 Sony to the Vizio is like day and night as far as things actually working.

The Vizio worked so poorly that I will NEVER buy another Vizio product again. All the hours I spent on the phone with customer support trying a million different things to get a reliable streaming connection.....arrg. Never again. If I can't afford something better than a Vizio I'd rather do without.
post #2248 of 3972
Yea I read a lot of reviews on the vizios being poor. I just never liked sony but the r550 looked pretty damn good in best buy and pc Richard. I'm just hoping for a bright picture and being able to play Xbox on it. I'm sure the r550 will be good enough for my needs. Thank you
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Interesting.  Since I put in the goo.gl tracking mechanism 9 days ago, there have been a total of 246 clicks into the centralized settings.

 

That's roughly 27 a day.  Wish I had found goo.gl before hand.  Thanks to bowlopho for suggesting it.  I couldn't find one that did what I want, and goo.gl was perfect.

post #2250 of 3972
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Originally Posted by pudweiser View Post

Yea I read a lot of reviews on the vizios being poor. I just never liked sony but the r550 looked pretty damn good in best buy and pc Richard. I'm just hoping for a bright picture and being able to play Xbox on it. I'm sure the r550 will be good enough for my needs. Thank you

You're welcomed. I game pretty often - campaign only, never multiplayer. Xbox 360 and PS3. Never an issue. Loving the 3D gaming. I'll turn on simulated 3D sometimes for games that are only 2D.

Oh, I do have a complaint about the simulated 3D on the Sony. They have it preset to turn off the simulated 3D after one hour and then you have to turn it back on. A rather annoying time limit and it can't be deactivated. Maybe a future software update fix....
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