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Tried editing the above post.. but kept getting an error. sorry.

For DTS over optical out... Will it do that for any source - like my fios box and bluray? or only internal sources - like netflix?
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Thread Starter 

Raising the TV that small amount sounds like a job for a 3/4" slab of MDF ("medium density fiberboard").  You can get it at any homedepot or similar store.  It's smooth, strong, and if cut cleanly will maintain sharp lines.

 

You can paint it black if you want and if cut to be a rectangle under the front and both legs, it wouldn't look bad at all, be dark and invisible from the front, and from the sides it would match the chassis of the TV (and likely the soundbar).

 

 

It's also available in colors and patterns---something I didn't know until just now.

 


Plus every other color you can image.


Edited by tgm1024 - 10/10/13 at 8:13am
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After adjusting settings of my 50r550a and putting it into gamer mode, my conclusion is that this tv is close but still lacking for gaming and a first person shooter.

Sure the TV was a good price at $899, but the lag is still present. It is listed as "great" at 29ms. Initially the tv was unplayable for gaming, then a great hint to find the gaming mode changed things drastically....but unfortunately or enough.
I'm spoiled in that I am coming from a CRT.

Has anyone else been in this boat?

D.
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Originally Posted by lothian110 View Post

Tried editing the above post.. but kept getting an error. sorry.

For DTS over optical out... Will it do that for any source - like my fios box and bluray? or only internal sources - like netflix?

There is a company called Zvox that makes what they call a "soundbase" which is essentially a sound bar built into a base that your tv goes on. I know nothing of this company aside from the fact that I saw one of them in a local ad but I'm sure a quick google search can help you out.
post #2495 of 3972
As far as the DTS pass thru. It does indeed pass it!

But, as noted in other posts, the TV puts up a constant warning box, saying 'Unsupported Audio', when it is sent DTS.
post #2496 of 3972
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But, as noted in other posts, the TV puts up a constant warning box, saying 'Unsupported Audio', when it is sent DTS.

Well that's pretty annoying. What is the point of passing it through then!?
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There is a company called Zvox that makes what they call a "soundbase" which is essentially a sound bar built into a base that your tv goes on. I know nothing of this company aside from the fact that I saw one of them in a local ad but I'm sure a quick google search can help you out.
I read about the zvox sound bases. I'm not too impressed by them. I am probably going to stick to one of the 4 I had listed.
post #2498 of 3972
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Well that's pretty annoying. What is the point of passing it through then!?

I agree.

Do you have the page number where the manual mentions that it passes DTS out the optical jack? I may be missing something, but I recall only seeing DD mentioned. Yes, it does pass it, but they may have some CYA, if they didn't mention it does.

I'm getting my TV swapped today. I am going to try feeding it DTS before upgrading to the latest FW. But, there may be reports of this even back on the older FW version?

Anyway, seems it would be an easy fix via firmware. I plan on calling support at some point and invite all other owners to do the same. Otherwise, they will not patch this. All they have to do, is have the warning only if you have the TVs internal speakers enabled.
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Originally Posted by StormCrow View Post

Do you have the page number where the manual mentions that it passes DTS out the optical jack? I may be missing something, but I recall only seeing DD mentioned.

You're right. It only says DD. Sorry about that. Page 53. http://www.docs.sony.com/release/KDL-R520A_R550A.pdf

I don't really know the difference... Don't they both output 5.1? Why is DTS preferable?
Edited by lothian110 - 10/10/13 at 11:45am
post #2500 of 3972
Personally, even with DTS superior bitrate, etc., I sometimes prefer DD. But, that is when there is a choice. Take The LOTR Extended Edition BR, for example. Multichannel bitstream audio is only DTS, there is no DD.
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I wonder if Costco will carry the W850 ? Anyone know their criteria to determine what sets they will stock? I would think the 65w850 would be a natural fit between the 60&70 inch R550 line. Give a shout if anyone knows or has info. Thanks.
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I was under the impression dd was mandatory for bluray. Guess I was wrong!

Stormcrow - any soundbar recommendations? I'm looking at the polk 9000, pioneer sb23w, sony ct660, or sonos playbar
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Wish I could help on the soundbar front. I haven't done any research.

I'm still using my old (Late 80s) speakers! Mission 765s for front. RSL studio monitor 2600s rear. Two custom 10" subs. But, I do have a Polk center speaker that I like! Got a great deal at Fry's a couple years ago.
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Originally Posted by lothian110 View Post

You're right. It only says DD. Sorry about that. Page 53. http://www.docs.sony.com/release/KDL-R520A_R550A.pdf

I don't really know the difference... Don't they both output 5.1? Why is DTS preferable?


Standard DTS generally has a clearer and crisper sound compared to standard Dolby Digital, do to less compression and higher bit rates(DTS-MA and DD-TrueHD sound essentially the same). However as much as DTS pass through is a nice feature to have... there's few reasons to have it as digital cable boxes, satellite boxes, OTA signals are almost always stereo/Dolby Digital 5.1. Most DVD's only offer DD 5.1/stereo audio, the Xbox 360 only supports DD 5.1/stereo sound, the PS3 of course being a DVD/Blu-ray player supports a variety of L-PCM/DTS/DD formats...however most games are DD/PCM/stereo. Blu-rays are generally now all DTS-MA(earlier Blu-ray movies were L-PCM/DD/DD-TrueHD/DTS-MA) however very few if any sound bars can decode anything more than standard DTS 5.1 and DD 5.1. so if your watching a Blu-ray with DD-TrueHD or DTS-MA 5.1-7.1 sound it's going to be down converted to PCM/stereo if your running audio from the TV's optical out(this applies to receivers as well). smile.gif

I have the Vizio VHT510 5.1 sound bar which is last years version of the Vizio S4251w-B4, which I whole heartedly recommend if you want surround sound without the complication or mess of having a bulky receiver and individual speakers and a sub......I'd check out what Cnet recommends as well!
Edited by Brooks Carter - 10/10/13 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by StormCrow View Post

As far as the DTS pass thru. It does indeed pass it! But, as noted in other posts, the TV puts up a constant warning box, saying 'Unsupported Audio', when it is sent DTS.

That's interesting, I tried running HDMI to TV from PC and then optical from Tv to a Yamaha amp but couldn't get DTS at all. Decided it's easier to go the other way... HDMI->AMP->TV and take advantage of CEC features. Only reason I didn't want to in the first place was concerns over additional input lag. Turns out either way you still can't game on this set :-s

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Originally Posted by hvc700mbuyer View Post

After adjusting settings of my 50r550a and putting it into gamer mode, my conclusion is that this tv is close but still lacking for gaming and a first person shooter.

Sure the TV was a good price at $899, but the lag is still present. It is listed as "great" at 29ms. Initially the tv was unplayable for gaming, then a great hint to find the gaming mode changed things drastically....but unfortunately or enough.
I'm spoiled in that I am coming from a CRT.

Has anyone else been in this boat?

D.

Yep, I came from and 12 year old LCD projector and a cheap 24" Asus LCD which were both fine for gaming but I'm convinced the R550's are no good for this....despite a Sony rep pointing me towards them!  

 

I noticed the W900's are listed as 19ms lag on displaylag.com, curious to know what the W800 is given it's much cheaper. It's a shame they don't come in a 60" or I'd have considered one of these models instead.

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I think this TV lacks the ability to have an impulse-mode only MotionFlow.  I believe it's a black-frame insertion variant that adds zero to the lag.  But I think that this models MotionFlow is all wrapped up in its interpolation algorithms with no ability to split them out.  I might be wrong, but I think the W802 has that.

So you're saying this might be a limitation of the MotionFlow XR200?

 

W800 series have the XR400 but then the W900 series the XR800 at 200hz, does this translate to faster processing, less artifacts?

 

I wasn't aware of the W802 until you mentioned it, it's non-existent in the Australian market...

post #2508 of 3972
Just a funny note,

I have CEVA heading over today to swap. A short time ago, I realized that the TV has stored my SSID and password (It shows it too/Not hidden). Can access my Netflix, etc.

So, anyone else doing exchanges don't forget to reset wink.gif Page 74 of the owners manual.
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...size offerings elsewhere are terrible though...

Yep, and so here we are...owning this set. I needed a 70 incher that wouldn't break the bank.

As for game lag, I have none using a PS3 connected HDMI and an older 360 connected component. Sound is thru the tv and run via a 3.5mm stereo cable about 40 feet to external powered speakers. The only lag I ever experience is with Netflix on a rare occasion where the sound is out of time, but a "pause" or "stop" and "play" usually fixes that. However, I never game on-line or with a pc so if that's your lag issues, I'v no experience there.

My clouding / flashlighting issue really is no longer an issue, but a firmware update to fix it would be awesome. More likely though that the Sony rep has that wrong. It's quite obvious that clouding / flashlighting is a mechanical (physical) issue.

Now, my only problem with this set is that damn LLE. It seems SO common now in almost every source. I think it's gotten worse.
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

Yep, and so here we are...owning this set. I needed a 70 incher that wouldn't break the bank.

As for game lag, I have none using a PS3 connected HDMI and an older 360 connected component. Sound is thru the tv and run via a 3.5mm stereo cable about 40 feet to external powered speakers. The only lag I ever experience is with Netflix on a rare occasion where the sound is out of time, but a "pause" or "stop" and "play" usually fixes that. However, I never game on-line or with a pc so if that's your lag issues, I'v no experience there.

My clouding / flashlighting issue really is no longer an issue, but a firmware update to fix it would be awesome. More likely though that the Sony rep has that wrong. It's quite obvious that clouding / flashlighting is a mechanical (physical) issue.

Now, my only problem with this set is that damn LLE. It seems SO common now in almost every source. I think it's gotten worse.

Could you tell me what "LLE" stands for? I know what most all the other initials being thrown around are (DSE), etc.. But this one has me
stumped rolleyes.gif
Thanks, Gerry
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I feel like an idiot even asking this but I cannot seem to enable "graphics" from scene select when connected to my pc via hdmi. If I select auto it automatically switches the picture mode to graphics but then everything is greyed out as far as making settings.
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Yep, and so here we are...owning this set. I needed a 70 incher that wouldn't break the bank.

As for game lag, I have none using a PS3 connected HDMI and an older 360 connected component. Sound is thru the tv and run via a 3.5mm stereo cable about 40 feet to external powered speakers. The only lag I ever experience is with Netflix on a rare occasion where the sound is out of time, but a "pause" or "stop" and "play" usually fixes that. However, I never game on-line or with a pc so if that's your lag issues, I'v no experience there.

My clouding / flashlighting issue really is no longer an issue, but a firmware update to fix it would be awesome. More likely though that the Sony rep has that wrong. It's quite obvious that clouding / flashlighting is a mechanical (physical) issue.

Now, my only problem with this set is that damn LLE. It seems SO common now in almost every source. I think it's gotten worse.

Could you tell me what "LLE" stands for? I know what most all the other initials being thrown around are (DSE), etc.. But this one has me
stumped rolleyes.gif
Thanks, Gerry

 

No worries----not your fault.  LLE is an acronym we coined here specifically in this thread to describe a weird effect where the lips can become somehow "too red", and in some cases lavender, sometimes lavendar being the more common.  Don't ask me how the lavendar is even possible, because it involves an over-dosing of blue----this requires a screwed up white ramp.  We got sick of typing it all out, so LLE has sort of stuck as a great verbal shortcut.

 

Included in the LLE is this weird effect too where facial skin tones are ok until the *slightest* bit red is in them and the TV goes nuts displaying it.  I've seen these weird things below the jaw that look like shaving burns or something, and sudden rudolph noses.

 

Mostly on broadcast channels, and much less so on premium pay channels.

 

I can't imagine what's going on here, but this is one of Sony's "lower end" sets and as a result they've crippled it with software.

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No worries----not your fault.  LLE is an acronym we coined here specifically in this thread to describe a weird effect where the lips can become somehow "too red", and in some cases lavender, sometimes lavendar being the more common.  Don't ask me how the lavendar is even possible, because it involves an over-dosing of blue----this requires a screwed up white ramp.  We got sick of typing it all out, so LLE has sort of stuck as a great verbal shortcut.

Included in the LLE is this weird effect too where facial skin tones are ok until the *slightest* bit red is in them and the TV goes nuts displaying it.  I've seen these weird things below the jaw that look like shaving burns or something, and sudden rudolph noses.

Mostly on broadcast channels, and much less so on premium pay channels.

I can't imagine what's going on here, but this is one of Sony's "lower end" sets and as a result they've crippled it with software.

tgm1024, thanks for the explanation! I remember reading about the "lavender lips" back many pages ago. Haven't seen it mentioned
much lately but i'm guessing it is still a problem in many of the sets? This set is on the top of my list for a 70" if my 73" DLP dies. I do
believe however that a better set can be had if one wants to drop to 65". The new w850a perks my interest but i'm not sure if I can handle
the 8" drop in size eek.gif
Thanks again, Gerry
post #2514 of 3972
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post


Yep, and so here we are...owning this set. I needed a 70 incher that wouldn't break the bank.

As for game lag, I have none using a PS3 connected HDMI and an older 360 connected component. Sound is thru the tv and run via a 3.5mm stereo cable about 40 feet to external powered speakers. The only lag I ever experience is with Netflix on a rare occasion where the sound is out of time, but a "pause" or "stop" and "play" usually fixes that. However, I never game on-line or with a pc so if that's your lag issues, I'v no experience there.

My clouding / flashlighting issue really is no longer an issue, but a firmware update to fix it would be awesome. More likely though that the Sony rep has that wrong. It's quite obvious that clouding / flashlighting is a mechanical (physical) issue.

Now, my only problem with this set is that damn LLE. It seems SO common now in almost every source. I think it's gotten worse.

No lag on the 70"?

Wish I could say the same for my 60" .... I'd like to know whats so different other than physical size

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...I do
believe however that a better set can be had if one wants to drop to 65". The new w850a perks my interest but i'm not sure if I can handle
the 8" drop in size eek.gif
Thanks again, Gerry

Don't do it. I went from a 50 upto this 70 and still wish I'd have gone bigger. And I most likely will in another 6 years.

Like has been said many times through this thread, "No one has ever said of their tv, Man I wish I had gone smaller or that's just too big".

I built a 12 foot projector screen in my theater room and when people ask me why 12 feet I say, because that's all the wall could handle. lol

You could however wait for more 70 inch offerings to become available....
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No lag on the 70"?
Wish I could say the same for my 60" .... I'd like to know whats so different other than physical size

Explain exactly where your lag is because I swear I don't have it, but we may be talking about different things. I play shooters almost exclusively, but NEVER on-line and always on the 360 or PS3.

Oh, also, my PS3 is plugged into an HDMI switcher and then a Darbee video processor and then into the tv. The 360 is direct to the tv because it's the older component model. No lag issues with either.
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Well I've tried using HDMI to HDMI, DVI to HDMI and component to connect my PC and even in game mode there's lag between keystrokes and visual movement. I was playing Witcher 2 for the first time last night which isn't too fast paced but on harder levels I don't think it would be possible to react fast enough.

If I could describe the amount off delay I would say if you strike a key quickly, your finger would be well and truly off that key before movement started.

Tried different cables, video cards, hardwired mouse and keyboard.

Given the delay is always the same it must be to do with the displays circuitry but from one r550 to another I would have thought it to be the same.

I wouldn't even call myself "a gamer"as such but I like playing then from time to time.

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So you're ONLY gaming via a pc, correct? I have no idea about pc gaming. Never done it. Perhaps there is something to do with the pc talking to the tv because I have zero noticeable lag with my PS3 and Xbox 360.

I can tell ya that I do sometimes have communication issues when trying to get my MacBook to project an image on the tv via DVI to HDMI, but it always eventually works. And that has been the case with every TV I've plugged the Mac into except my DLP projector, which always displays first try. So again, maybe something with going from computer to tv. I don't know. But give it time. TGM will surely chime in with some tech behind it. wink.gif

Why no lag using gaming consoles, but lag using computers to game? Hmmm.

When I do play a video source from the MacBook onto the tv via DVI to HDMI, I don't notice any lag, but that is merely hitting play & pause and scrolling with the roller ball of the Mac's remote.
post #2519 of 3972
Well I don't own a console but I'm going to try borrow one to compare. Not convinced it'll be any different though, see what happens.

Given you probably game more than myself I think you'd notice lag more than me so it's strange...someone else commented about lag on their 60" so perhaps it's common to that particular size.

Thanks for the feedback though!

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Just to add to the confusion, displaylag.com suggests the 70" to have 37ms lag and the 60" to be 31ms...
I wonder if different firmware for different regions has any effect on lag. I know that trying to access Sony USA website redirects me back to Sony Australia so firmware could be different. I might proxy into Sony USA support site to get that firmware for comparison.

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