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Start by pressing the corners and move inward?

lol... it makes me feel bad to touch a beautiful tv in such a way. I usually use powder free gloves to do my installations haha. i guess i can throw some gloves on and beat her up a bit lol.

i'm watching jhonny test right now ha.
post #2612 of 3965
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brahby, If you're on your 4th one, I'd suggest that neither TV for you.  Come to think of it, is a plasma doable for you?  The ST60 will have tremendous picture quality (reviewers all love it), you can get it at 65" cheaply, and it might not be as dim as you think it is.

OR, spend $3000ish and get last year's XBR-65HX950 <----one unbelievably stunning machine.  It'll be active, but chances are you will almost certainly *not* have any PQ issues.  Unfortunately, most of the high PQ options from Sony (except for the ugly X900 speaker glued on thing) are active 3D, as is any plasma, which rules them out for me.  God how I hope this changes soon FOR GOOD.

I think you meant JIM BRICE. I was just questioning what the benefit of a downgrade would be. I am on my second set and it is fine to me. It has some clouding but nothing that is deal breaker. It also has a small, I call it a bleach spot, where its like a little off white circle that I only see against white backgrounds. To me this is still not worth returning for. If it begins to grow and I think it may end up consuming my whole screen than I will make a call to Sony and start over. I agree though 4 of the same set may be time to look elsewhere, LG, VIZEO, Panasonic, and Toshiba all have passive sets now if that is a must for him. I actually considered a plasma if my replacement didnt work out for me but luckily it did.
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i just wanted to say thank you once again everyone for finally getting back to me and replying.

you do not come off as condescending i know what you mean. why downgrade right? i was just wondering if it was much of a downgrade i'm not trying to knock anyone's tv even though it seems as if all 2012 and 2013 tv's suck no matter what but it does look like from this thread there are problems on this model the 550a that are not even on the 802a at all.

i was considering downgrading to this model because of the backlight technology the 802a is dynamic edge lit as the 550a is not, i was think that it wouyld have lees clouding since the 550 is only edge lit like the hx750. now i know that dynamic is supposed to make black leves better but on my first 802a they were horrible. it sucks i swapped my hx750 because of clouding and know since i had others like the 802a it seems like i was being to picky but i also wanted the passive 3d and killer input lag (17ms) from the 802a.

It is my understanding that the "dynamic edge lit" it just Sonys name for local dimming which by definition SHOULD be better but I can assure it is not always the case. You had an lm7600 you said? I went through 4 or more of them, all due to excessive backlight bleed (you can find my pics in that thread). I upgraded to the lm8600 and although the local dimming feature on that set made it black as death, it did so but left a lightened line anywhere the local dimming wasnt taking place. So just picture an all black screen with like a batman symbol in the middle. Anything to the left and right of the batman symbol would be picture black but from top to bottom of the screen the whole width of the symbol would be remarkably brighter and not black at all. It was humorous almost when you could watch it move back and forth on the screen. This only happened on my 8600 never on the 7600 but at that point I was over LG altogether. Like I said I have some blems on my 60R550a but its not enough for me to be concerned with. The only thing I might do now that I thinking about it, is take a big of the "hole" in case it gets bigger and I need to illustrate that it is getting larger.
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It is my understanding that the "dynamic edge lit" it just Sonys name for local dimming which by definition SHOULD be better but I can assure it is not always the case. You had an lm7600 you said? I went through 4 or more of them, all due to excessive backlight bleed (you can find my pics in that thread). I upgraded to the lm8600 and although the local dimming feature on that set made it black as death, it did so but left a lightened line anywhere the local dimming wasnt taking place. So just picture an all black screen with like a batman symbol in the middle. Anything to the left and right of the batman symbol would be picture black but from top to bottom of the screen the whole width of the symbol would be remarkably brighter and not black at all. It was humorous almost when you could watch it move back and forth on the screen. This only happened on my 8600 never on the 7600 but at that point I was over LG altogether. Like I said I have some blems on my 60R550a but its not enough for me to be concerned with. The only thing I might do now that I thinking about it, is take a big of the "hole" in case it gets bigger and I need to illustrate that it is getting larger.


damn see what i mean all newer led tv's are not good i remeber i had the kdl-46v4100 a 2008 model sony bravia it was really really good only had minor dse obviously it was not smaert or 3d but it was great for gaming. no clouding or backlight bleeding and it was a shelf unit from BB

now for the lg's omg i know what your talking about i never ever will have one of those in my LR again. i'm pretty sure the lm7600 was local dimming two, because everyone said to turn it off like on threads and stuff. boy oh boy with it off it had yellowing like clouding it was the worse clouding i ever seen.

like i have quoted before "rash like clouding" i call RLC lol.
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so all in all i need to call sony i dont have the money to go even bigger and i doubt they will give me the w900a lol (i wish they would) but i stand without knowing what i should do?

should i get another...... w802a? i guess i shouldn't get the 550a one lil' gimmick i did like about the 550 was the built in directv receiver but that should not be a reason to downgrade.

so is the 802a a better unit then the 550a?

do you think maybe a smaller tv would have less clouding and light leakage problems? thats been something i have been wondering to.

and last but not least does anybody have the light leakage problem on their kdl-xxr550a? because at this point i just want a sony that has the panel properly sealed, and everytime i talk to them and they send me a new tv they quote unquote say "we assure you it will be sealed into the bezel" then i call them again and they act like i'm the only one who knows about this,BUT at the same time they know exactly what i'm talking about weird right?
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just wanted to through this out there......


thank you humanity for creating the AVS FORUM! the only damn place where people love to talk about tv's lol
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Originally Posted by jim brice View Post

damn see what i mean all newer led tv's are not good i remeber i had the kdl-46v4100 a 2008 model sony bravia it was really really good only had minor dse obviously it was not smaert or 3d but it was great for gaming. no clouding or backlight bleeding and it was a shelf unit from BB

now for the lg's omg i know what your talking about i never ever will have one of those in my LR again. i'm pretty sure the lm7600 was local dimming two, because everyone said to turn it off like on threads and stuff. boy oh boy with it off it had yellowing like clouding it was the worse clouding i ever seen.

like i have quoted before "rash like clouding" i call RLC lol.

Mine legitimately looked like urine on my screen. I couldnt even believe how so many made it past QC. I said it earlier in this thread and its sadly true, we on this forum are the minority. The average consumers accepts all of these blems because half of them are completely blind to them and the other half honestly probably do not care. Its like this fool who keeps offering me 700 for my Sharp 847u on craigslist. I finally wrote back and said "look its apparent you wanted the largest size for the cheapest price but you wont get it from me, you should switch your search to plasma or DLP because no one in their right mind is going to sell you a tv that even today cost 2200 for 700". People are just genuinely cheap and impressed with aesthitics more than anything else. "we want it smaller and cheaper, then we'll buy it". The unfortunate thing is that WE suffer because we do not need a paper thin TV, we want uniformity in our screens.
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Originally Posted by jim brice View Post

so all in all i need to call sony i dont have the money to go even bigger and i doubt they will give me the w900a lol (i wish they would) but i stand without knowing what i should do?

should i get another...... w802a? i guess i shouldn't get the 550a one lil' gimmick i did like about the 550 was the built in directv receiver but that should not be a reason to downgrade.

so is the 802a a better unit then the 550a?

do you think maybe a smaller tv would have less clouding and light leakage problems? thats been something i have been wondering to.

and last but not least does anybody have the light leakage problem on their kdl-xxr550a? because at this point i just want a sony that has the panel properly sealed, and everytime i talk to them and they send me a new tv they quote unquote say "we assure you it will be sealed into the bezel" then i call them again and they act like i'm the only one who knows about this,BUT at the same time they know exactly what i'm talking about weird right?

Im sure you mentioned it already but what size is your 802. It might have something to do with the panels used per size. In this thread is already the second place that it is rumored that the 60/70 uses Sharp panels and anything else is most liekly LG. If you have a 50 that could be the problem right there. We have both seen first hand how good those panels are (/sarcasm). Also just to touch back, yes my 7600 had local dimming too but I never really left it on because it never really got rid of the backlight bleed like it did on the 8600, the trade off however was the "beam me up" light I got on the 8600. It reminds me of when people ascended into heaven in this is the end.
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Originally Posted by brahby View Post

Mine legitimately looked like urine on my screen. I couldnt even believe how so many made it past QC. I said it earlier in this thread and its sadly true, we on this forum are the minority. The average consumers accepts all of these blems because half of them are completely blind to them and the other half honestly probably do not care. Its like this fool who keeps offering me 700 for my Sharp 847u on craigslist. I finally wrote back and said "look its apparent you wanted the largest size for the cheapest price but you wont get it from me, you should switch your search to plasma or DLP because no one in their right mind is going to sell you a tv that even today cost 2200 for 700". People are just genuinely cheap and impressed with aesthitics more than anything else. "we want it smaller and cheaper, then we'll buy it". The unfortunate thing is that WE suffer because we do not need a paper thin TV, we want uniformity in our screens.


i couldn't say it any better myself, i feel a fool because when i was upgrading from my v4100 i sold it on criagslist just trying to get rid of it quick to make room for the new tv thinking the new tv woud be awesome since its 2013 and there is better technology, so i sold it for 260 and the a hole complained about it looking grey saying that the insignia he had did not have that problem (yeah right). at the time i admit i was dumb and was kind of unaware of clouding,so it made me think the v4100 was broken and i did not have a warranty so yea he swindled me. i later seen it on craigslist till this day going for 600

but back to what you were saying yea it seems as if they are getting to be cheaper and cheaper in quality and more expensive at the same time.....
post #2620 of 3965
mine is the 47w802a most likely an lg styled panel now obviously this guy i'm about to mention is a dumb ass he was an employee at gamestop but he was trying to tell me sony was made by westing house or some crap i just ignored him and said i'm a member of the forum lol but correct me if he was right but i doubt it, westing house is bottom of the barrel (just a side comment).

now the newer sonys have a weird light up led show too im sure you know but you can turn it off i haven't checked out the 8600.


the 802a is only made in 47" and 50" which as you were saying is most likely lg right? i don't mind the glossy screen and the lm7600 did not have light leakage from the bezel **** it really didn't even have a bezel lol.
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brahby, If you're on your 4th one, I'd suggest that neither TV for you.  Come to think of it, is a plasma doable for you?  The ST60 will have tremendous picture quality (reviewers all love it), you can get it at 65" cheaply, and it might not be as dim as you think it is.

OR, spend $3000ish and get last year's XBR-65HX950 <----one unbelievably stunning machine.  It'll be active, but chances are you will almost certainly *not* have any PQ issues.  Unfortunately, most of the high PQ options from Sony (except for the ugly X900 speaker glued on thing) are active 3D, as is any plasma, which rules them out for me.  God how I hope this changes soon FOR GOOD.

I think you meant JIM BRICE.

 

Yes, I was getting all goofed up trying to fix a mis-compound-quoting issue---lost track of who was saying what.  :)

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brahby, If you're on your 4th one, I'd suggest that neither TV for you.  Come to think of it, is a plasma doable for you?  The ST60 will have tremendous picture quality (reviewers all love it), you can get it at 65" cheaply, and it might not be as dim as you think it is.

OR, spend $3000ish and get last year's XBR-65HX950 <----one unbelievably stunning machine.  It'll be active, but chances are you will almost certainly *not* have any PQ issues.  Unfortunately, most of the high PQ options from Sony (except for the ugly X900 speaker glued on thing) are active 3D, as is any plasma, which rules them out for me.  God how I hope this changes soon FOR GOOD.


um i thought all of sony's newer models were passive 3d?

 

Um no.  :)  The currently available Sony's that are passive are R550, W802, and X900A.  (Plus their Non-US bretheren like the 805, etc.).  The W850, W900, and X850, are active.
 

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but the st60 had IR right out of the box

 

There's a body of thought that states that the uneven rate of wear of plasma cells makes IR likely for all plasma's "out of the box".  Hence the need for the initial (careful) wear in with slides for roughly 200 hours.  In some cases 300 hours.

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Hey just got a 60R550 and liking it so far. Just wondering if anyone has run into this issue, I can't seem to Google anything about it.

I have a Sony sound bar hooked up using the HDMI arc connection, when watching Netflix or Hulu if I change the volume using the TV remote it changes input to optical automatically.

This doesn't happen when using a bd player or watching TV.
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So, what do you guys think about leaving the tv on game mode 24/7? Would you do that?
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WOW! I haven't been to this thread in like a day or two and when I come back I am amazed at how many problems folks are having.

Seeing as how I went through the cheap Vizio and it was junk and then had to wait on Amazon to get me a Sony that wasn't damaged in shipping and how the only thing that really seems out of whack is the LLE and that the clouding / flashlighting has now become manageable and most importantly how many of you have just had SO MANY problems...... I believe I'm done. My 70 inch Sony is a-okay.

Sometimes you have to see just how NOT green the other grass is. Good luck fellas and thanks for letting me know that it was a good idea NOT to exchange this set over a little LLE & minor clouding. Imma let my sleeping dog be. wink.gif

"Hey Honey, you were right, this TV is just fine."
She's gonna love hearing that she was right. rolleyes.gif
Edited by mp06011999 - 10/17/13 at 8:08am
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Hey just got a 60R550 and liking it so far. Just wondering if anyone has run into this issue, I can't seem to Google anything about it.

I have a Sony sound bar hooked up using the HDMI arc connection, when watching Netflix or Hulu if I change the volume using the TV remote it changes input to optical automatically.

This doesn't happen when using a bd player or watching TV.

how did you get the tv remote to be able to adjust the volume on the sound bar? I got the sony ct660 last night and I can't figure out how to do it.

So you have all hdmi running to your bar and an arc back to the tv? Nothing in optical at all?since Netflix is an internal source it's odd that it would switch sources at all.
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WOW! I haven't been to this thread in like a day or two and when I come back I am amazed at how many problems folks are having.

Seeing as how I went through the cheap Vizio and it was junk and then had to wait on Amazon to get me a Sony that wasn't damaged in shipping and how the only thing that really seems out of whack is the LLE and that the clouding / flashlighting has now become manageable and most importantly how many of you have just had SO MANY problems...... I believe I'm done. My 70 inch Sony is a-okay.

Sometimes you have to see just how NOT green the other grass is. Good luck fellas and thanks for letting me know that it was a good idea NOT to exchange this set over a little LLE & minor clouding. Imma let my sleeping dog be. wink.gif

"Hey Honey, you were right, this TV is just fine."
She's gonna love hearing that she was right. rolleyes.gif

I want to buy this TV but I am not sure whether I should get it locally or from Amazon, after reading the number of issues that may actually be caused by damage during transportation here. Though I guess the ones in the stores were also transported at some point smile.gif Not sure what to do. Its definitely cheaper getting it from Amazon but probably more of a pain if I have to return it.

I've heard here that it's not a good idea to put these TVs on their side, so I guess the only way to transport them is a in a truck. Will need to rent one to pick it up locally.
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^ That was my thought as well - no matter if it's Amazon or BestBuy, it's getting trucked and handled. And monkeys abound be it Amazon shipping or BestBuy shipping.

FWIW, in 10 years I've had 4 large screen TVs shipped to me and only one (25%) arrived with shipping damage.
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So, what do you guys think about leaving the tv on game mode 24/7? Would you do that?

I'm using mine like that. I'm only using one input and don't want to keep switching mode so I just leave it on game mode. it seems fine to me, I didn't notice any big difference with the other modes.
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

WOW! I haven't been to this thread in like a day or two and when I come back I am amazed at how many problems folks are having.

Seeing as how I went through the cheap Vizio and it was junk and then had to wait on Amazon to get me a Sony that wasn't damaged in shipping and how the only thing that really seems out of whack is the LLE and that the clouding / flashlighting has now become manageable and most importantly how many of you have just had SO MANY problems...... I believe I'm done. My 70 inch Sony is a-okay.

Sometimes you have to see just how NOT green the other grass is. Good luck fellas and thanks for letting me know that it was a good idea NOT to exchange this set over a little LLE & minor clouding. Imma let my sleeping dog be. wink.gif

"Hey Honey, you were right, this TV is just fine."
She's gonna love hearing that she was right. rolleyes.gif

 

Only problem is that wives always say stuff like that when it comes to electronics.  They can't help it.  They're missing the Y chromosome.  Y doesn't it look perfect?  Y isn't it better?  Y am I seeing this or that?

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moo


Yea I know what you mean you have to go through the break in period for plasma. The st60 was not my first plasma, I was on my xmb for like 30 min. checking my mail and the xmb retended.When I was gaming all the time on my old panny it really didn't have it and that one was an older HTC 50 I don't recall the model number but I did not like having to always run the scrolling bar feature to clean the panel.

And crazy that the w900 is active isn't it like the hybrid w802? I thought that passive was kind of better then active, with the passive models they say it's still full HD 3d but I guess that's probably not true.

And I've been wondering is the 805 just the European 802a? And are there any better alternatives to they 802a that I can get an RA for?

Also sorry everybody if my typing seems lousy, predictive text entry sucks and I'm doing this from the kindle.
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And crazy that the w900 is active isn't it like the hybrid w802? I thought that passive was kind of better then active, with the passive models they say it's still full HD 3d but I guess that's probably not true.

 

No, it is true about the vertical resolution.  It's actually a bit complicated and been discussed a number of time around here.  But active will show each 1080 vertical resolution and passive 3D will show 540.  Though the waters get a little muddy because of LG's claim to be alternating the information so that 1080 lines are output but just 540 at a time.  Not worth getting into all over again.

 

But the long and the short of it is that there are folks who insist that Active is superior because of that.  And others (from Earth :)) who point out that it that passive is so much easier on the eyes (no nasty flicker), and the glasses cost dirt, are lightweight, comfortable, and don't use batteries.

 

With the advent of 4K, a 4K 3D movie will be 3840x1080 resolution (the normal 2160 will be hacked in half), which is smooth as silk, so this resolution business is becoming increasingly mooted.  Until of course that same nutcase crowd chimes in again with "but active 4K is 2160 lines high".  LOL....

 

Frankly, there's been considerable discussion from us in the passive crowd that perhaps Active should never have been offered at all, and contributed to an overall negative reaction to 3D TV in the world.

post #2633 of 3965
Still waiting for the new part for my 70" The part was supposed to be here today but this morning I received a new e-mail advising how SORRY they were but the part is still on back order. It's been about a month since the original back order e-mail. I'm beginning to think they are correct about one of their statements. They are SORRY.
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Only problem is that wives always say stuff like that when it comes to electronics.  They can't help it.  They're missing the Y chromosome.  Y doesn't it look perfect?  Y isn't it better?  Y am I seeing this or that?

Love it!
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how did you get the tv remote to be able to adjust the volume on the sound bar? I got the sony ct660 last night and I can't figure out how to do it.

So you have all hdmi running to your bar and an arc back to the tv? Nothing in optical at all?since Netflix is an internal source it's odd that it would switch sources at all.

The remote worked on the soundbar right out of the box, have a CT260H btw. BD player is connected to soundbar, soundbar to tv. Not using optical at all.
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Man guys I been blowing off calling sony I need some advice should I just get another 802a or are there any other models in that price range that would be better?

Should I try to get a smaller 802 if they have it? Or what's up with the w850? I haven't see that in the w series on the sonystyle website.

I just need a step in the right direction I'm worried if I get another 802a it will just not be sealed well enough again I guess mp06011999 might be right I should just let my dog sleep as well lol. But like I read from someone else on this site before ... if I'm paying that kind of money who cares how picky I am I shouldn't have to grin and bare it.
post #2637 of 3965
Please someone get back to me asap I would like to call them today. But I can wait untill tomorrow it's not like I don't have an E #.

I guess I might just get ANOTHER w802a and keep my fingers crossed, I mean it is a good tv with acceptable uniformity and input lag.
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Please someone get back to me asap I would like to call them today. But I can wait untill tomorrow it's not like I don't have an E #.

I guess I might just get ANOTHER w802a and keep my fingers crossed, I mean it is a good tv with acceptable uniformity and input lag.

 

People seem to love that thing (802) for how low-lag it is.  But I want to understand something: You're seeing the edge bleed along the bottom center, right?  Does it look like you're staring right *at* the LED, or just a more pronounced spray across the screen?

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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

Yep, Fry's electronics runs that ad at least once a week. They say "Brand Name Only" instead of saying Sony but it's always the 70R550A.

hehehe more like once every other month.

I've seen it only go down to that price maybe a total of 3 times since I picked it up in May.


i feel bad for everyone with all their issues. I haven't noticed any big issues with my 70" Sony and I got it on the first try.

The only issues is the viewing angles, but it's not really that bad. Depending on what I am watching, sometimes it looks horrible but most of the time it's viewable.

that and the double golf balls when I have motionflow and cinemotion enabled
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Did more cleanup in both centralized settings files.

Note: To whomever tried: please don't attempt an "average" column again.  It would not be useful information, and I don't want it.

notice someone tried to create an average column in your spreadsheet. so I added a counter for a few settings. LOL, I agree an average column is not useful but a counter for some of the settings like motionflow, cinemotion, color may work for statistical purposes.

then I got lazy and didnt do the other options
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