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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

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And for the guy using paper towel, a word of caution. Paper towel is paper and by design can scratch plastic quite easily. I NEVER use paper towel on plastic - EVER. We had a flight student clean an airplane windshield with paper towel and it completely destroyed it leaving fine scratches that would catch light and create dangerous glare.

hmmm, I've never had any problems with damp, squeezed out paper towels..... Funny, I don't trust those microfiber cloths. They have a tendency to trap dust, lint, dirt particles. At least the paper towel is clean.
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hmmm, I've never had any problems with damp, squeezed out paper towels..... Funny, I don't trust those microfiber cloths. They have a tendency to trap dust, lint, dirt particles. At least the paper towel is clean.

Microfiber towels are a bit high maintenance. They need to be clean and cleaned often. Never put them in the dryer. But if you do, absolutely NEVER use fabric softener. It destroys the fibers. I also have different color ones so that I know not to use the same ones for glass & plastic cleaning as I do for say polishing or using for dirtier things.

As for using paper towels on plastic, google it. I haven't as I learned about it when I got into flying. It's a BIG no no in aviation.
post #2703 of 3972
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

I don't think so, as long as you leave the TV off. My tv is on the wall and no kids in the house so all I ever wipe off is a little dust. I guess if you had to clean off sticky kid stuff I'd probably wet the microfiber pretty good and "HOLD" it on the spot to re-liquify it so that it could then be gently wiped away.

Yea what he said lol, like I said with it off I never experienced any problems but with a tv on I did.
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I use different color microfiber to it's the best way to go. Or just keep swapping out your tv's like me lol.
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

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And for the guy using paper towel, a word of caution. Paper towel is paper and by design can scratch plastic quite easily. I NEVER use paper towel on plastic - EVER. We had a flight student clean an airplane windshield with paper towel and it completely destroyed it leaving fine scratches that would catch light and create dangerous glare.

hmmm, I've never had any problems with damp, squeezed out paper towels..... Funny, I don't trust those microfiber cloths. They have a tendency to trap dust, lint, dirt particles. At least the paper towel is clean.

 

Clean isn't the bottom line.  Abrasive is.  Sandpaper can be clean.

 

I'm being glib, but really, I learned about how soft plastic can get back in my Oakley days (the Plutonite lenses).  Paper towel is wood pulp and harsh chemicals (put it on your tongue someday), and "clean" doesn't cut it.

 

If you're experiencing no troubles with it, then ok, but be warned that it's not about cleaning it once or twice, but what a paper product will do over time.

post #2706 of 3972
Well, when I get home tonight I'm sure I'll stare at the edges for another few hours and end up at the result of keeping this beauty.. I mean its so minor and non apparent when viewing content that I would be so scared to swap for another with worse issues.. Not to mention the incredible pain of boxing / moving a 70" incher..
post #2707 of 3972
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Well, when I get home tonight I'm sure I'll stare at the edges for another few hours and end up at the result of keeping this beauty.. I mean its so minor and non apparent when viewing content that I would be so scared to swap for another with worse issues.. Not to mention the incredible pain of boxing / moving a 70" incher..

That's the decision I had to make as well. Only YOU know what is acceptable to you. And to be leery of getting another set with worse issues is a VALID concern.

I can tell you that my 70 inch Sony's issues do not include the edge LED lights showing up along the bezel, but the cheap 70 inch Vizio I tried did have that.
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

That's the decision I had to make as well. Only YOU know what is acceptable to you. And to be leery of getting another set with worse issues is a VALID concern.

I can tell you that my 70 inch Sony's issues do not include the edge LED lights showing up along the bezel, but the cheap 70 inch Vizio I tried did have that.

Yeah, well I wish it was easier to explain. It's not really the LED lights showing up under the bezel as it is the light from one of the lights is beading through a bit and giving a kinda small beam effect in a tiny area of the screen.. It's more prominent on black background with lighter colors underneath the affected area.. For example, sonys own menu system within the tv when at a no source detected screen shows a black bar along the top of the screen with grey covering the majority of the screen.. On this screen the top right corner beam can be slightly seen to give off a small beam effect..

I may try to take a pic tonight and see how it comes out and circle it if it appears in the pic.. As long as it doesn't get worse I think I'm ok with it.. My inital concern was that I caused it by cleaning a little smudge my GF left when helping me lift the screen.. But I doubt it.. because I noticed pretty much the exact same type of thing toward the center of the same side when using a complete black screen.. It takes a pretty specific angle to even notice it, and well.. I think I'm just being paranoid and picky.. But I think this is the right place to get that out! wink.gif
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does anyone here NOT use "game mode" for their xbox 360 or ps3? I have been using it but seems blurry on fast moving screens, but if I use auto or general mode and set motionflow to standard or high it looks much better.....

BUT, am I losing anything form not having it on game mode? does it create more lag??
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does anyone here NOT use "game mode" for their xbox 360 or ps3? I have been using it but seems blurry on fast moving screens, but if I use auto or general mode and set motionflow to standard or high it looks much better.....

BUT, am I losing anything form not having it on game mode? does it create more lag??

I don't even see game mode on the 70" r550a.. I just would turn off all the cine effects and whatnot..
post #2711 of 3972
for game mode you have to hit "Options" on the remote, then "scene select"

that's when you see game mode.

turning off all the options makes it look worse in my opinion, but I don't know if it is creating more lag as well or not
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Well folks.. After more critical analysis found a stuck pixel.. frown.gif

What are the current acceptable levels for this type of thing with this size of panel? (70).. Either way I made the call, getting a new one Saturday hopefully.. Should qualm all my worries, that is as long as its not worse!!
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I've had two 70s and third on the way. Both have had two stuck black pixels. My fear is this one will have more, or be in the middle, etc. A crap shoot wink.gif
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Originally Posted by StormCrow View Post

I've had two 70s and third on the way. Both have had two stuck black pixels. My fear is this one will have more, or be in the middle, etc. A crap shoot wink.gif

Are you replacing them because of the stuck pixels?
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Let me just throw this out there....

When deciding to buy this Sony, most important to me was getting the biggest I could get. Not much choice in the 70+ range. If you're shopping for 70+, perhaps you may wanna consider, as I did, going with a projector. I have had a DLP projector in the theater room for years. Last one was a Mitsubishi 1080P at about $1300 3 or 4 years ago. We ALMOST moved that one into the bedroom and was gonna upgrade the theater room one, but I don't see any real improvements in projectors just yet. And given the work involved in building the screen and all, we opted for the $2200 Sony 70 inch TV.

HOWEVER, if some of you are having problem after problem with this set, you may wanna consider the projector route. They can be had for under $1000. When I added everything up that I'd need (screen, AV receiver, speakers, cables) I was right in the same ballpark as this 70 inch Sony - even a little less. So the decision to go with the TV was NOT based on money. It was just based on simplicity and the fact that I'm waiting on high lumen output 4K 3D LED DLP projectors that don't break the bank to come out before replacing the one in the theater room.

Just a thought....
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Well.. I kinda feel like I'm going to be trapped in the "Hope I get a better screen this time without dead/lit pixels and no backlighting problems" worse than before..

Scary.. But I really feel it's worth the try.. I bought the warranty plan from the place I got it, so ....

I mean, its true.. You would never notice the lit pixel or the dead pixel durning normal viewing. (found a dead AND a stuck pixel now btw) thats 2 total..

But.. 2013 manufacturing process, shouldn't these be pretty much perfect? I mean Vizio offers a zero pixel problem warranty?!@

I know this is the age old question... But they are more than willing to come replace it with a new one (unfortunately not until near halloween) but none the less... I should yes?! Even at the risk of getting something worse, which in turn the wheel keeps on turning until I am happy?
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I don't know man. I hate to pass judgement on what ails you more. Know what I mean?

If you don't have a pixel flipper disc you may be able to access something similar from the web. I have one on the Disney Wow Blu-ray. TGM and I like to to play these for our wives just for fun. We pause and ask if they've seen this part before then play it in slo-mo. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePJQewAdszM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0JJbOsx04E
post #2718 of 3972
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

I don't know man. I hate to pass judgement on what ails you more. Know what I mean?

If you don't have a pixel flipper disc you may be able to access something similar from the web. I have one on the Disney Wow Blu-ray. TGM and I like to to play these for our wives just for fun. We pause and ask if they've seen this part before then play it in slo-mo. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePJQewAdszM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0JJbOsx04E

Don't think that will help my dead pixel... Screw it.. It's going back... I will try a return.. A bit of light bleed I coulda lived with, but a stuck AND a dead pixel... Nope..
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I have the 60" R520, has anyone experienced any sort of audio lag watching cable TV? I'm in Canada and am with Bell Fibe TV... The audio is just a split second out of sync. I have an HDMI running from the box to the TV, and I have tried using another HDMI cable and the problem is still there.. I have another TV upstairs with another receiver box, and the audio is perfect.. anyone else experience this? Most channels appear to be ok, but there are still a few that are bad, most notably LeafsTV is by far the worst... To make it more complicated, the audio sync is even worse when I hook up a Sony sound bar via an optical cable directly to the TV.... however, when I plug the optical cable into the cable box, it appears to fix certain channels, but then makes others out of sync... very confusing... Would it be the TV or something to do with Bell? (By the way, Bell replaced my main receiver box today, and the problem is still there)... Thanks
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

I don't know man. I hate to pass judgement on what ails you more. Know what I mean?

If you don't have a pixel flipper disc you may be able to access something similar from the web. I have one on the Disney Wow Blu-ray. TGM and I like to to play these for our wives just for fun. We pause and ask if they've seen this part before then play it in slo-mo. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePJQewAdszM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0JJbOsx04E

Don't think that will help my dead pixel... Screw it.. It's going back... I will try a return.. A bit of light bleed I coulda lived with, but a stuck AND a dead pixel... Nope..

 

Run the pixel flipper directly from the WOW disk overnight.  It will *not* damage your TV if you keep it.  Sometimes an hour will do the trick.  I don't know if the high speed color slides link will work or not. 

 

I actually had a thing I never saw before on any other TV.  It looked like a "half dead" red subpixel or something.  I reported on it earlier.  It was gone the next morning.  People accused me of confusing a dead pixel with a bug that crawled on the screen.  No respect in this place.

 

I'm skeptical of the 2nd link he gave by the way: it's filled with a kind of beat frequency I think?  I don't think it's going to come out of youtube cleanly.  Just a guess.

 

MP06mumble99, did you read the comments on the first link you gave?  The thing is called "Fastest way to fix dead pixels".  One guy said "Fastest way have a seizure".  LOL.  Another guy said "Fastest way to get dead pixels".  A 3rd said that you need stereoscopic red/blue glasses to see this movie.  Heh heh.  Everyone's a crackpot in this industry.


Edited by tgm1024 - 10/22/13 at 4:52pm
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No, I didn't read the comments, but I like yours. I just did a quick youtube search for pixel fixers to give an example of what they were. Plus I wanted to watch that color changing one again. I forgot how it ends. lol

I'm glad we're all being friendly to each other. Too many times folks get all snotty on forums.
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Being in the pc industry, I've tested my fair share of LCD/LED monitors.. In around 2003-2004 dead pixels were a lot more common than today.. I usually don't see any pixel issues on new monitors. Even my shiny new LG 27" is pixel perfect. I've never had any luck with pixel massage or pixel flipping..

Anyhow

I realize size often factors into the equation as well...

Ok so let me just put this out there.. 1 stuck, and 1 dead pixel.. Lower right of screen.. Not near the middle.. Stuck is very near the bezel and the dead is right beside the bezel. Paid over 2 grand for a 70" tv.. No hassle exchange..

The risk.. Getting something worse.. In which case I'd exchange again! lol

So.. Do it?? Or live with it?? What's the consensus? What would YOU do?
post #2723 of 3972
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Originally Posted by Eron View Post

...Paid over 2 grand for a 70" tv.. No hassle exchange..

The risk.. Getting something worse.. In which case I'd exchange again! lol

So.. Do it?? Or live with it?? What's the consensus? What would YOU do?

Really?

Okay Eron, with all the authority vested to me by the state of internet anonymity, I hereby instruct you to.......

......exchange it.

And if I'm wrong and you get a worse set see my complaint department. That's TGM's department for those paying attention. tongue.gif

Na seriously though, with all that you've mentioned, why not try another set, right.
post #2724 of 3972
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

Really?

Okay Eron, with all the authority vested to me by the state of internet anonymity, I hereby instruct you to.......

......exchange it.

And if I'm wrong and you get a worse set see my complaint department. That's TGM's department for those paying attention. tongue.gif

Na seriously though, with all that you've mentioned, why not try another set, right.

Anonymous authority!! Nice! I have to do it! smile.gif I am just concerned because it seems getting a good set of one of these 70"inchers is a dream for some.. One of the members here is going on 3... I almost wonder if I should live with the pixels... But .. then again.. If you have the chance to try another it will always be on your mind you know?
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

Really?

Okay Eron, with all the authority vested to me by the state of internet anonymity, I hereby instruct you to.......

......exchange it.

And if I'm wrong and you get a worse set see my complaint department. That's TGM's department for those paying attention. tongue.gif

Na seriously though, with all that you've mentioned, why not try another set, right.

Anonymous authority!! Nice! I have to do it! smile.gif I am just concerned because it seems getting a good set of one of these 70"inchers is a dream for some.. One of the members here is going on 3... I almost wonder if I should live with the pixels... But .. then again.. If you have the chance to try another it will always be on your mind you know?

 

Things like minute amounts of DSE, or vague flashlighting only on all black screens are certainly reasons to relax and accept a TV for some people (but not all).

 

But not dead pixels.  No way, Ho Zanna Hey.  (yeah, I'm an andrew lloyd webber fan)

 

I've said this numerous times, so I'll try to just list it out.  I've been told before that it makes people feel better.  Heck, if it keeps you from buying a bucket of prozac at costco...

 

  • Absolutely nowhere in their propaganda, trade shows, from their sales grunts, or even on the box, do these TV manufacturers say or imply anything but a perfect, spectacular picture.  No where have I ever seen on a placard next to a TV "Eh.  Image is ok enough".
  • It's absolutely human nature to notice something that you'll be staring at 2+ hours a day.  And that (sadly) is far below the US national average anyway.  Even if you watch only once a week, for that time you will be watching a series of moving images.  This means that visual aberrations that are stitched to a place on the screen and hence do not move will stick out like a sore thumb.  That includes dead pixels, extreme DSE, etc.
  • You are absolutely shelling out too much money to put up with something that you'll notice to that extent.  TVs are not insignificant percentages of household expenditure.

 

So don't let your guilt run away with you.  :)

 

Return it.

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Things like minute amounts of DSE, or vague flashlighting only on all black screens are certainly reasons to relax and accept a TV for some people (but not all).

But not dead pixels.  No way, Ho Zanna Hey.  (yeah, I'm an andrew lloyd webber fan)

I've said this numerous times, so I'll try to just list it out.  I've been told before that it makes people feel better.  Heck, if it keeps you from buying a bucket of prozac at costco...
  • Absolutely nowhere in their propaganda, trade shows, from their sales grunts, or even on the box, do these TV manufacturers say or imply anything but a perfect, spectacular picture.  No where have I ever seen on a placard next to a TV "Eh.  Image is ok enough".
  • It's absolutely human nature to notice something that you'll be staring at 2+ hours a day.  And that (sadly) is far below the US national average anyway.  Even if you watch only once a week, for that time you will be watching a series of moving images.  This means that visual aberrations that are stitched to a place on the screen and hence do not move will stick out like a sore thumb.  That includes dead pixels, extreme DSE, etc.
  • You are absolutely shelling out too much money to put up with something that you'll notice to that extent.  TVs are not insignificant percentages of household expenditure.

So don't let your guilt run away with you.  smile.gif

Return it.

Thank you.. This helps tremendously because a lot of people think your nuts for wanting to return a screen for a little dead/stuck pixel, or in my case 2... But I can't shake it.. I agree 100% with your assessment on the situation..
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Thank you.. This helps tremendously because a lot of people think your nuts for wanting to return a screen for a little dead/stuck pixel, or in my case 2... But I can't shake it.. I agree 100% with your assessment on the situation..

 

You're more than welcome.  If there are a lot of people, I would guess they're in a tight minority.  Good grief, I hope so.

 

Returning things is often not a comfortable feeling.  It isn't for me.  I hate it.  But in this case, you're certainly justified.

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FIXED IT!

Game mode. I switched scene select to game mode and the LOTR synced perfectly!

WTF?!?!? What do you guys normally leave your scene selection on? What exactly does game mode do and will I sacrifice anything else if i leave it on 24/7?

When game mode is selected the options in picture setting for noise reduction, mpeg noise red, Cinemotion, and motionflow are greyed out. But this obviously doesn't do the same thing as just turning it off when using other scene selections. There must be some other processing turned off as well.

So it's not the receiver after all.

I played gta with game mode on and it made a difference with input lag. Its still no where near as responsive as a mouse. It's not real time, so to speak. But it is a good bit of difference. Man, I loved the look of the cinemotion. Oh well.

I realize this post is a little old but I haven't been on AVS in a couple weeks and I see you still have the TV.

I just went through this, albeit with a different TV (Panasonic E60). I had an older Yamaha receiver that did not have HDMI passthrough so originally I put all HDMI devices into the TV and used the optical out to the receiver. There were NO audio sync issues with any content at all. Later I realized that Panasonic in their infinite wisdom, opted to not support dolby digital output from the optical cable when using an HDMI source. So I ran the optical from each device directly into the receiver and kept the HDMI video into the TV. However, once I did that - horrible audio lag. Fast talking TV shows on the TivoHD was like watching a chinese dub. It was so bad. All sources had audio sync issues - PS3, TivoHD, cablebox - some looked worse than others because the content kind of hid it, but it was all there. The audio would arrive before the picture across the board. Turning on Game mode on the TV solved the issue but only because it essentially removes all TV processing. The picture was not nearly as appealing in game mode. The issue is really that the TV takes time to process the input and the receiver is getting the audio instantly. When run through the TV, the audio was in sync because it wasn't sent to the receiver until it was done processing. Unfortunately my receiver did not have any options to set a delay to compensate for that. Modern receivers however gave the option for auto lip sync via HDMI 1.3 or setting the audio delay manually. So my only recourse would be to live with 2ch sound or get a new receiver with HDMI passthrough and audio delay or that supported HDMI ARC from the TV. I also looked at exchanging the TV for the Sony 550A but given that it was a $500 price jump, I opted to go with a new receiver for $400 - the Yamaha v673.

Once I got the receiver I put all my HDMI devices into the receiver and one HDMI cable to the TV. Originally I left the audio delay to "auto" and it was GREATLY improved across the board without the TV in game mode, but I used the Disney Wow disc's test for audio sync and fine tuned it to 90ms. Since I set that, I have no noticeable audio sync issues. Now I haven't played any games yet but when I do and I turn the TV to game mode, I'm going to have to turn off the audio sync for that input so I don't end up with audio BEHIND the picture.

Either you need to set the audio delay on your existing receiver or if you don't have that option, you will likely need a new one. Personally I'm happy I was "forced" to upgrade. My new receiver is leaps and bounds better than my ~8 year old Yamaha. It was a year of HT upgrades lol.
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FIXED IT!

Game mode. I switched scene select to game mode and the LOTR synced perfectly!

WTF?!?!? What do you guys normally leave your scene selection on? What exactly does game mode do and will I sacrifice anything else if i leave it on 24/7?

When game mode is selected the options in picture setting for noise reduction, mpeg noise red, Cinemotion, and motionflow are greyed out. But this obviously doesn't do the same thing as just turning it off when using other scene selections. There must be some other processing turned off as well.

So it's not the receiver after all.
I played gta with game mode on and it made a difference with input lag. Its still no where near as responsive as a mouse. It's not real time, so to speak. But it is a good bit of difference. Man, I loved the look of the cinemotion. Oh well.

I realize this post is a little old but I haven't been on AVS in a couple weeks and I see you still have the TV.

I just went through this, albeit with a different TV (Panasonic E60). I had an older Yamaha receiver that did not have HDMI passthrough so originally I put all HDMI devices into the TV and used the optical out to the receiver. There were NO audio sync issues with any content at all. Later I realized that Panasonic in their infinite wisdom, opted to not support dolby digital output from the optical cable when using an HDMI source.

 

Note: please correct me someone, but I'm assuming that 5.1 is possible without Dolby for this explanation.

 

If an earlier poster was correct, this is not Panasonic's fault (nor the fault of any TV).  The problem is that to do so requires a decoding of the protected HDCP audio content, and then outputting to an external device.  I don't know why this is such a huge problem, but they just don't want the bits being accessible by anything other than an HDCP device...something they can't guarantee if the TV's outputting it.

 

Don't ask me why HDCP doesn't apply for the ARC though. That's truly a mystery.  I hope this crap is solved soon, because frankly, it's a damn nuisance for folks to have to 1. modify their TV settings, and then 2. change their audio delay in their receivers to compensate.  Stupid stupid stupid in this day and age.  I'm lucky in that I couldn't care less for anything more that 2.1 (5.1 maybe), and that's outputtable by the TV.

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Note: please correct me someone, but I'm assuming that 5.1 is possible without Dolby for this explanation.

If an earlier poster was correct, this is not Panasonic's fault (nor the fault of any TV).  The problem is that to do so requires a decoding of the protected HDCP audio content, and then outputting to an external device.  I don't know why this is such a huge problem, but they just don't want the bits being accessible by anything other than an HDCP device...something they can't guarantee if the TV's outputting it.

Don't ask me why HDCP doesn't apply for the ARC though. That's truly a mystery.  I hope this crap is solved soon, because frankly, it's a damn nuisance for folks to have to 1. modify their TV settings, and then 2. change their audio delay in their receivers to compensate.  Stupid stupid stupid in this day and age.  I'm lucky in that I couldn't care less for anything more that 2.1 (5.1maybe), and that's outputtable by the TV.

I know there's some issues with certain audio content being transmitted via optical - i.e. TrueHD will never do so. However, my belief is most TVs would have no problems passing the standard 5.1 Dolby Digital audio from HDMI to optical. I spent over an hour on the phone with Panasonic tech support and they just kept trying to tell me it was the nature of the optical connection not to do so but my $30 HDMI switch has been doing the job for years. I had my TivoHD and cable box plugged into my HDMI switch via HDMI and output the audio from the HDMI switch to my receiver via optical. It worked for all 5.1 dolby digital content with no issues. It is a Panasonic thing. If a $30 HDMI switch can do it, my $1000 TV should be able to. The sony can to my knowledge.

I originally thought it was an HDCP thing but the fact that the switch did it threw that out the window. Panasonic chose not to support it.

I hear you on the audio delay thing. It's a pain in the butt. Hopefully the promised improved lip sync features of HDMI 2.0 will provide a much better solution.
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