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post #2911 of 3980
I would much rather rent discs for nothing looks as good as Blu-ray, especially on a HUGE screen. And sound too.
post #2912 of 3980
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

I would much rather rent discs for nothing looks as good as Blu-ray, especially on a HUGE screen. And sound too.

I totally agree, mp....the day I am FORCED to download or stream films with compressed audio and such, I may just give up on this hobby...

In a related story, I went to my local Blockbuster today to rent Parkland and saw a notice on their window that they will be closed until Thursday, when they will be having a liquidation sale...so they're closing their doors, much to my dismay...mad.gif

BTW...What part of Vegas you in?
post #2913 of 3980
Yep, Blockbuster announced they're done with discs by December 13 and that ALL stores would be closing over the next few months. They cancelled my "by mail" service as of December. Say they're dedicating themselves fully to streaming and satellite channels.

NW LV
post #2914 of 3980
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

Yep, Blockbuster announced they're done with discs by December 13 and that ALL stores would be closing over the next few months. They cancelled my "by mail" service as of December. Say they're dedicating themselves fully to streaming and satellite channels.

NW LV

Oh wow...that's too bad...

Any word on the RED BOX status? That may be the only place to rent physical media from now on...mad.gifmad.gif

The store I was referring to is on Maryland and Silverado Ranch.....know the area?
post #2915 of 3980
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

Yep, Blockbuster announced they're done with discs by December 13 and that ALL stores would be closing over the next few months. They cancelled my "by mail" service as of December. Say they're dedicating themselves fully to streaming and satellite channels.

NW LV
You beat me to it. Just read that in Afterdawn forums (I think). Sad. Some good deals to be had at bb closing. Really, the only place to rent older movies is the local library. We have a good selection of BD, but people usually hold on to them forever.

This might be a good time for a local mom&pop rental store to open up.. They would probably do pretty good. Remember those? The ones Blockbuster put out of business?
post #2916 of 3980
Ok, fellas. Went to BB and got the 70" R550 to replace my 60" (which had some clouding). Got the 70" home and was appalled at all the clouding. This tv had clouding all over the bottom left and right. Totally visible in the letterboxed region and even was strikingly visible with content on screen. It really made feel better about my 60". Good thing I didn't return that. The 70" is going back. I really cannot believe that SONY puts out this garbage and thinks it's ok. Where do I write an email to sony corporate.

I'm in a dark room here. Of course it is much more subdued here in the pics.




Here with LOTR in a pretty dark scene. The clouding really takes over and destroys the picture. The whole right edge has contrast issues and has that big white cloud at the bottom right.


really makes me want to vomit.
post #2917 of 3980
Nope, don't know that area Intellivolume.

For BDs I guess I'll go back to using Redbox and if that isn't good enough I may sign on to Netflix's BDs by mail.

Watched hours upon hours of this tv this weekend. No problems other than a few shows having the LLE. But many did not.
post #2918 of 3980
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Not for us in NY. Afaict, They always charged tax. Have to disagree with blockb. Netflix has a good customer base with their disc rental service. And redbox is doing very well. Blockb just refused to change. Redbox undersold them and netflix was too convenient and service was great. Bb had to become more competetive, but instead they did things like offer certain packages and then they changed the plan too many times. And they took way too long with mailing discs and too many errors.

For example, once they introduced their dvd by mail program, they had a policy that you could bring that disc in and exchange it for one in store. That was great! But then shortly after they took that away and changed it to only 1 per month or something. I think there are many people who would rather rent discs, myself included.

It cost more to run store front than a warehouse / distribution center/ a machine at the market. That's why blockbuster could not adapt to the current market and tech advances because they lose money with the store front while basically offering the same service as Netflix / redbox.
post #2919 of 3980
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Carefull guys.  Too many of you are throwing Netflix and Redbox out there as examples of companies doing wonderfully in the media-rental world.

 

There always seems to be a lot of news around Netflix trying to intentionally strangle their mailing product line, and Outerbox (owner of Redbox) stock dipping crazily a couple months ago because of Redbox reporting a worse then expected slump.  The stock has since rebounded.

 

The recent BlockBuster news is affecting everything (and changing the models of those two), true, but there not a lot out there saying that renting a disc is a solid business model any longer.  The "Family Video" guys in the midwest with over 700 storefronts seems an outlier.

 

I'm not supplying the links here, because they are all pre-blockbuster announcement.  We'll have to see where this goes.


Edited by tgm1024 - 11/11/13 at 8:33am
post #2920 of 3980
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Carefull guys.  Too many of you are throwing Netflix and Redbox out there as examples of companies doing wonderfully in the media-rental world.

There always seems to be a lot of news around Netflix trying to intentionally strangle their mailing product line, and Outerbox (owner of Redbox) stock dipping crazily a couple months ago because of Redbox reporting a worse then expected slump.  The stock has since rebounded.

The recent BlockBuster news is affecting everything (and changing the models of those two), true, but there not a lot out there saying that renting a disc is a solid business model any longer.  The "Family Video" guys in the midwest with over 700 storefronts seems an outlier.

Agreed. Years ago when DVD was just coming out I considered buying a video rental store. Glad I didn't as it has been a dying business - like video arcades. Look at how many rental stores have gone under.

As for going to Netflix or Redbox, sadly there just aren't many disc choices. And I expect there to be less and less as BlockBuster closes. Losing that competition will surely drive the others to change their business models... for the worse. It's just "cheaper" for media companies to eliminate discs. I do however wonder how / where 4K material will be coming from.
post #2921 of 3980
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

Agreed. Years ago when DVD was just coming out I considered buying a video rental store. Glad I didn't as it has been a dying business - like video arcades. Look at how many rental stores have gone under.

As for going to Netflix or Redbox, sadly there just aren't many disc choices. And I expect there to be less and less as BlockBuster closes. Losing that competition will surely drive the others to change their business models... for the worse. It's just "cheaper" for media companies to eliminate discs. I do however wonder how / where 4K material will be coming from.

 

Yeah, that little question is still one that many just don't want to answer yet.  Especially since the online compression quality of Netflix is already currently really really terrible (AFAICT with my limited usage) at 2K.  Who knows WHERE that 4K bandwidth is going to come from.  But I suspect it isn't going to revive the media rental business.  I think that business model just doesn't fit with the "sit around and choose something" paradigm of today's household.  The Redbox concept though is an interesting one.  It's just gotta be in your store and not miles away for it to work.  They pulled it out of our local grocery store years ago and I'd have to shlepp wayyyy out of the way for it.

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Ok, fellas. Went to BB and got the 70" R550 to replace my 60" (which had some clouding). Got the 70" home and was appalled at all the clouding. This tv had clouding all over the bottom left and right. Totally visible in the letterboxed region and even was strikingly visible with content on screen. It really made feel better about my 60". Good thing I didn't return that. The 70" is going back. I really cannot believe that SONY puts out this garbage and thinks it's ok. Where do I write an email to sony corporate.

I'm in a dark room here. Of course it is much more subdued here in the pics.




Here with LOTR in a pretty dark scene. The clouding really takes over and destroys the picture. The whole right edge has contrast issues and has that big white cloud at the bottom right.


really makes me want to vomit.


I'll agree that's some fairly bad light bleed but writing/complaining to Sony is not gonna fix anything! This is a well known issue with edge-lit displays, thus why buying LCD-LED TV's is a game of chance and I'm sure Sony doesn't test picture uniformity for a dark room so they don't see these issues during assembly.
post #2923 of 3980
^BINGO!^ That'd be like complaining to Microsoft that your new Windows machine doesn't work well after about 3 months. Ahh, I remember when I was naive enough to do that thinking it'd matter. tongue.gif

In all seriousness, it does suck that LCD with it's inferior picture and plague of issues is beating out Plasma. The public drank the kool-aid though and now this is what we get. Just like VHS over Beta, BD over HD, streaming over BD, etc.
post #2924 of 3980
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I'll agree that's some fairly bad light bleed but writing/complaining to Sony is not gonna fix anything! This is a well known issue with edge-lit displays, thus why buying LCD-LED TV's is a game of chance and I'm sure Sony doesn't test picture uniformity for a dark room so they don't see these issues during assembly.

 

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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

^BINGO!^ That'd be like complaining to Microsoft that your new Windows machine doesn't work well after about 3 months. Ahh, I remember when I was naive enough to do that thinking it'd matter. tongue.gif

 

Respectfully, I disagree with you both.

 

1. No where in their literature does it say that such things happen.  No picture of theirs in any ad is anything but flawless.  And they routinely use words like "stunning", "beautiful", "discover the wonder", etc., etc., etc.

 

2. The very LACK of complaining is what makes people think that complaining does no good.

 

3. (And this business has got to stop because it's ubiquitous)----I really wish folks would stop saying things like "this is the way all edge lit tvs are" as if it excuses anything.  It does not.  You can remark that "things like this are regrettably common", but as soon as your tone tips slightly toward "you shouldn't expect otherwise" then you've gone a little too far.

post #2925 of 3980
I think all three of us are right. I agree that "giving up" is a sure way to get nothing to change. But I also believe that complaining does no good. Not that I like it, but that I cannot recall one time in the last 10 years that my complaints, emails, letters, calls have made a bit of difference in the products or services offered - Sadly. It may cause my individual product or service to be fixed, yes, but no change in the s.o.p. frown.gif

And I should be a little clearer about "my individual product or service to be fixed" in that it usually means an exchange of product. Not a "fix" in the quality of what is offered.
Edited by mp06011999 - 11/11/13 at 10:54am
post #2926 of 3980
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Respectfully, I disagree with you both.

1. No where in their literature does it say that such things happen.  No picture of theirs in any ad is anything but flawless.  And they routinely use words like "stunning", "beautiful", "discover the wonder", etc., etc., etc.

2. The very LACK of complaining is what makes people think that complaining does no good.

3. (And this business has got to stop because it's ubiquitous)----I really wish folks would stop saying things like "this is the way all edge lit tvs are" as if it excuses anything.  It does not.  You can remark that "things like this are regrettably common", but as soon as your tone tips slightly toward "you shouldn't expect otherwise" then you've gone a little too far.


Of course their ads and literature show perfectly beautiful images...it's an ad! Which are there to show off and intrigue people into buying products plain and simple, thus the reason there's always that little * saying screen images simulated in the fine print! Who would buy a TV from Sony, Samsung, Vizio, LG etc if they showed real world picture quality in their ads? People can complain all they want, but how does that fix the inherent flaws in edge-lit screen technology? It's not quality control that's really the problem it's the technology being used. Not all edge-lit LCD-LED TV's have uniformity problems, but it would be foolish and untrue to believe that such issues are not well known and/or common with this display tech.
post #2927 of 3980
I've been planning on getting this TV for some time now (the 70"), and my enthusiasm has waned somewhat given the inconsistent PQ being reported here from one unit to another. I've pretty much settled on a 70"+ passive 3D set, so it's not like there's a wealth of choices. I hope I end up getting a decent set once I order one. Still waiting for a good sale to come up (prices in Canada are quite unappealing).
post #2928 of 3980
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

I think all three of us are right. I agree that "giving up" is a sure way to get nothing to change. But I also believe that complaining does no good. Not that I like it, but that I cannot recall one time in the last 10 years that my complaints, emails, letters, calls have made a bit of difference in the products or services offered - Sadly. It may cause my individual product or service to be fixed, yes, but no change in the s.o.p. frown.gif

And I should be a little clearer about "my individual product or service to be fixed" in that it usually means an exchange of product. Not a "fix" in the quality of what is offered.

I complained after living with my 70" for 6 months. They sent a tech out and he attributed the clouding/flash lighting issue to an uneven back light. Sony called me a few days and said this was a normal situation and could not be fixed. I politely told them NO IT'S NOT normal nor is it acceptable. Another few days later they called and offered to give me my money back. After talking it over with my wife and considering the available replacement options I declined for several reasons. I only paid $1599. Sony said it would take 6 weeks to get me a check, I would lose the sales tax and the delivery charge I already paid. There is nothing out there in the 70" range that I am convinced would be better. Had they offered to replace the set (they said no even when I suggested this) I probably would have risked the chance that the replacement could be worse. I did e-mail them saying that if the condition gets worse I would revisit the refund option. I received no response. Like with most marginal warranty issues, Sony as well most similar companies, assume that 90% of buyers will not complain at all and just live with it. 5% will complain but accept the "can't do anything about it because we fell it's acceptable" response. The other 5% will be offered some kind of solution. That is an acceptable hassle that Sony can live with. Just my opinion of course.
post #2929 of 3980
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I've been planning on getting this TV for some time now (the 70"), and my enthusiasm has waned somewhat given the inconsistent PQ being reported here from one unit to another. I've pretty much settled on a 70"+ passive 3D set, so it's not like there's a wealth of choices. I hope I end up getting a decent set once I order one. Still waiting for a good sale to come up (prices in Canada are quite unappealing).
Make sure you can return your set with ease. If it ends up looking like mine you might be very disappointed. They all have some sort of problem. The Samsungs suffer from something called the "Ice wing". It's really crazy.
post #2930 of 3980
just sent my email. oh well.
post #2931 of 3980
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

^BINGO!^ That'd be like complaining to Microsoft that your new Windows machine doesn't work well after about 3 months. Ahh, I remember when I was naive enough to do that thinking it'd matter. tongue.gif

In all seriousness, it does suck that LCD with it's inferior picture and plague of issues is beating out Plasma. The public drank the kool-aid though and now this is what we get. Just like VHS over Beta, BD over HD, streaming over BD, etc.
Well, my windows computer was running perfect when I got it. These tv's are coming out of the factory like this. Passing QA and everything.
post #2932 of 3980
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Well, my windows computer was running perfect when I got it. These tv's are coming out of the factory like this. Passing QA and everything.

I wonder what Sony's threshold is for a 'bad' set that doesn't pass QA...
post #2933 of 3980
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Respectfully, I disagree with you both.

1. No where in their literature does it say that such things happen.  No picture of theirs in any ad is anything but flawless.  And they routinely use words like "stunning", "beautiful", "discover the wonder", etc., etc., etc.

2. The very LACK of complaining is what makes people think that complaining does no good.

3. (And this business has got to stop because it's ubiquitous)----I really wish folks would stop saying things like "this is the way all edge lit tvs are" as if it excuses anything.  It does not.  You can remark that "things like this are regrettably common", but as soon as your tone tips slightly toward "you shouldn't expect otherwise" then you've gone a little too far.



Of course their ads and literature show perfectly beautiful images...it's an ad!

 

You've made a major mistake if you think that just because it's an ad that they can either 1. lie about the product or 2. be excused from however the product differs from it.
 

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People can complain all they want, but how does that fix the inherent flaws in edge-lit screen technology? It's not quality control that's really the problem it's the technology being used. Not all edge-lit LCD-LED TV's have uniformity problems, but it would be foolish and untrue to believe that such issues are not well known and/or common with this display tech.

 

  1. "Common"?  How common it is per se can make you jaded, sure, but it doesn't forgive them anything.  How forthcoming they are about it is what matters.  And it's dramatically less common for the super expensive TVs.

    A car manufacturer will say things like "powerful", or "sporty" when they refer to their lower-end model cars, but they don't substitute in a picture of a Ferrari and wait for you to go home and say "aw crap, it doesn't look like that."  And if they all did, yes you could say it was common, but no, "common" doesn't excuse a thing.
     
  2. "Well known"?  --->NO<--- it is not "well known" outside of videophile circles what the LCD TV clouds/bleed/etc. are expected to look like, much less the technology that causes it.  1st: many people are coming from either a plasma or CRT and have never seen a transmissive technology for something as large as a TV before.  Many  have no sense of what to expect, and 2, most people aren't technologically educated enough to understand what its doing anyway.  They see the pictures in the ads.  They see the canned feed in bestbuy under the bestbuy shrink-your-irus-to-nanometer lights and figure they're either all pretty much the same, or that the low model is "good enough".  They don't see the super leaky images until it's home.  Remember, these are products that you stare at often for hours a day.

 

No, people who have crummy looking displays are perfectly in the right to complain.

post #2934 of 3980
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This might be a good time for a local mom&pop rental store to open up..

I agree completely. That would be a fantastic alternative; to bring back the local mom and pop rental places like from the days of VHS when they were, seemingly, on every corner...

I don't think it will happen though. As stated, I think we're gonna be relegated to Red Box and Netflix, which I am forced to now look into (I used Red Box from time to time but don't like the fact that you don't get a full keepcase to bring the disc home in).
post #2935 of 3980
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Originally Posted by Brooks Carter View Post

I'll agree that's some fairly bad light bleed but writing/complaining to Sony is not gonna fix anything! This is a well known issue with edge-lit displays, thus why buying LCD-LED TV's is a game of chance and I'm sure Sony doesn't test picture uniformity for a dark room so they don't see these issues during assembly.

I had some of the same issues as your picture in dark scenes. By lowereing the edge light level, it helped. May not be perfect, but edge lit seems to be that way, unfortunately. Now, with otherwell lit scenes, the picture is extremely good.
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I had some of the same issues as your picture in dark scenes. By lowereing the edge light level, it helped. May not be perfect, but edge lit seems to be that way, unfortunately. Now, with otherwell lit scenes, the picture is extremely good.
If by edge light you mean backlight, yeah its on zero.
post #2937 of 3980
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I don't think it's lying... ad's since the beginning have always shown products in an ideal world and at their absolute best. To me that's like complaining that your McDonald's cheeseburger doesn't look like the ones in their commercials! I'm not saying Sony and other TV makers shouldn't try harder to fix these issues or shouldn't be called on their screw ups, but nothings perfect and people shouldn't expect to never receive a issueless product...some are just gonna be lemons! If you or other people want to complain to Sony or other companies about non-serious product screw ups go right ahead if you think it'll help and make you feel better... that's your right as a consumer, but personally I think it's rather naïve to truly believe it'll actually change anything.....but that's me!
post #2938 of 3980
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If by edge light you mean backlight, yeah its on zero.

That's what I meant. Sorry about that. It helped some with mine, but definitely not all of it. It is used as our television for our outside patio.
post #2939 of 3980

Hey guys would appreciate some help here.

 

I am having audio sync issues with my 60r550a. I play all my movies through WD Live Hub connected to via HDMI to ONKYO AVR (HT-R758) which is connected to the SONY via HDMI.The problem is the audio comes first and the lip movements later. I had the same setup connected to my old tv (samsung PDP 51D490) and it worked perfectly.The conclusion is that the problem is with the TV processing. What baffles me is how can a 2011 model Samsung have a higher processing than the latest Sony LED??

 

Second issue is when I am watching HD channels through the set top box(Videocon D2H) sometimes, almost randomly the images moves too fast..almost like a x2 fast fwd. Sometimes its just fine. Maybe it has something to do with the display setting of the SONY and I do play a lot between Standard & custom. Could you please guide me as to what are the best optimum setting for movies/series shows and sports (namely soccer)??

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Originally Posted by Saad Ikhlas View Post
 

Hey guys would appreciate some help here.

 

I am having audio sync issues with my 60r550a. I play all my movies through WD Live Hub connected to via HDMI to ONKYO AVR (HT-R758) which is connected to the SONY via HDMI.The problem is the audio comes first and the lip movements later. I had the same setup connected to my old tv (samsung PDP 51D490) and it worked perfectly.The conclusion is that the problem is with the TV processing. What baffles me is how can a 2011 model Samsung have a higher processing than the latest Sony LED??

 

There's really no reason for it to not have higher processing.  Lip sync is a common issue.

 

Here's a recent post of mine on ARC & audio-out on TVs.  This is the briefest version I have written.

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