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post #841 of 3975
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Originally Posted by kanate View Post

Now another problem.

My connection is like this

TV <-HDMI1 (ARC)-> RECEIVER (Onkyo TX-NR616) <-HDMI-> PS3

On TV, BRAVIA Sync is ON, Speakers option is set to "Audio System". Everything works fine until I play movies that has DTS sound (For example, Disney's UP, John Carter, etc), There's an error message on the TV that say "Unsupported audio signal. Please check the device input" and there's no way to turn it off or disable the message.
Note: sometime the error message is not showing but if I skip the move to next chapters, the error is back.

I think the problem is that the receiver is passing through DTS audio with the HDMI to the TV and the TV couldn't process DTS. Doesn't make sense why would the TV try to process the audio when it's already set to use "Audio System" Speakers.

I also tried turning off audio pass through in the receiver, still same problem.

I'm running into the same problem and it's very annoying Not able to turn off the warning message frown.gif
post #842 of 3975
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Originally Posted by Temujin69 View Post

I've been following this thread for some time now...does this Sony compare with the 70 Inch Sharp Aquos models?
With there being only one model of the Sony 70 inch and like 5 of the Sharps, I know it's a tough comparison, but for the 745 and 847 is the Sony a serious contender / better alternative for less money?
I like the price difference obviously, but also the passive 3d and glasses is a plus, and it seems like there are fewer issues with this one than the Sharps. True? Is the Vizio even in the same ballpark quality wise?

Sony > Sharp > Visio... but the first two are pretty much in the same league. Visio is a more distant third place.

Costco has a unique Sharp 70" Aquos (model 657) which also does 3D. Reasonable price & comparable quality to the Sony R550. Worth a look.
post #843 of 3975
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Originally Posted by Nick Dangerous View Post

Sony > Sharp > Visio... but the first two are pretty much in the same league. Visio is a more distant third place.

Costco has a unique Sharp 70" Aquos (model 657) which also does 3D. Reasonable price & comparable quality to the Sony R550. Worth a look.
Thanks, I'll take a look. The Canadian Costco I think only has the 745 and 550, but I'll visit the local store and see what they have on display.
Thanks!
post #844 of 3975
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Originally Posted by kanate View Post

To update on this blank screen issue. I found this review on amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/review/RJP0JE5EY8YXO/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00AWKBZKC&nodeID=172282&store=electronics

And followed his instruction to unplug while they both are on and disconnect cables
This seems to solve the problem. Doesn't make sense but it works

While I also do not know why it works I had a guy I work with who installs a lot of high end home theaters at his other job give me similar instructions. I was asking him about the hdmi pass throughs on modern recievers and he told me about the no picture issue and having to unplug everything and start over to fix it.
post #845 of 3975
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Originally Posted by fullmetal6 View Post

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Originally Posted by kanate View Post

To update on this blank screen issue. I found this review on amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/review/RJP0JE5EY8YXO/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00AWKBZKC&nodeID=172282&store=electronics

And followed his instruction to unplug while they both are on and disconnect cables
This seems to solve the problem. Doesn't make sense but it works

While I also do not know why it works I had a guy I work with who installs a lot of high end home theaters at his other job give me similar instructions. I was asking him about the hdmi pass throughs on modern recievers and he told me about the no picture issue and having to unplug everything and start over to fix it.

Yeah. I'm starting to realize more and more that my initial bias toward absolute hatred of the quality of 99% of the receivers made is fairly well founded.
post #846 of 3975
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Originally Posted by Temujin69 View Post

I've been following this thread for some time now...does this Sony compare with the 70 Inch Sharp Aquos models?
With there being only one model of the Sony 70 inch and like 5 of the Sharps, I know it's a tough comparison, but for the 745 and 847 is the Sony a serious contender / better alternative for less money?
I like the price difference obviously, but also the passive 3d and glasses is a plus, and it seems like there are fewer issues with this one than the Sharps. True? Is the Vizio even in the same ballpark quality wise?
The major differences between the Sharp models is some are 120hz, some are 240hz, some use the 4th color pixel (yellow) and some don't. At least one professional review I've read on a model using 240hz and the yellow pixel stated that his final settings included going from 240 down to 120 and turning the yellow pixel off. The new Vizio "M" series looks good on paper and as of now the 70"er has not been seen in the wild. Between the Sony the Sharp and the Vizio I don't know who's screens are being used but possibly LG's. All I can say is that I sent two Vizio 70" "E" series back because of screen uniformity issues (flash lighting and clouding) and I see neither of these issues with the Sony. Passive 3D is a big plus for me . The picture is great and the glasses can be had for under $10 each. Love to see a shootout between the three comparable (MSRP wise) 70" displays from Sony, Sharp, and Vizio.
post #847 of 3975
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

The major differences between the Sharp models is some are 120hz, some are 240hz, some use the 4th color pixel (yellow) and some don't. At least one professional review I've read on a model using 240hz and the yellow pixel stated that his final settings included going from 240 down to 120 and turning the yellow pixel off. The new Vizio "M" series looks good on paper and as of now the 70"er has not been seen in the wild. Between the Sony the Sharp and the Vizio I don't know who's screens are being used but possibly LG's. All I can say is that I sent two Vizio 70" "E" series back because of screen uniformity issues (flash lighting and clouding) and I see neither of these issues with the Sony. Passive 3D is a big plus for me . The picture is great and the glasses can be had for under $10 each. Love to see a shootout between the three comparable (MSRP wise) 70" displays from Sony, Sharp, and Vizio.

I am pretty sure that Vizio sources their panels from Sharp. Not sure about Sony - could be LG with the passive 3D glass....

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20120508000085&cid=1102
snip:
Vizio follows Hon Hai in Sharp LCD investment project
Vizio hopes to have more business opportunities in the Chinese and European markets through its contract relationship with Hon Hai and the capacity of Sharp, according to market research firm DisplaySearch.
Hon Hai expects to deliver around 10 million panel TV sets in 2012, including 8 million sets for Sony and 1.5 million sets for Sharp. The company is set to purchase Sharp's TV factories in China, Indonesia and Mexico to expand its contract business.
post #848 of 3975
Today I had the opportunity to play for some time and adjust the setting on the Sony KDL-70 R550A at Best Buy. I was very happy with the colors, sharpness, motion and blacks. It was in the magnolia side so the lights were not as bright. The sound quality of the internal speaker are much better than last years models for regular TV watching not movies. The only thing I was a little disappointed in was the overall brightness of the picture/ panel. I had the remote so I was able to play with the settings and even using the Vivid setting the picture was not as bright to the other sets near the Sony which included, Samsung and Sharp 65/70 inchers. The KDL-70 R550A vivid setting was equal to the standard setting of the XBR-65-950. I turned off all the eco settings and other sensor setting and I got this result. The picture was still excellent but I am puzzled at the brightness issue.

I looked at the KDL-60 R550A which was in the regular TV area along with the KDL-55W802A and the 60 R550A looked close to the brightness to the 55W802A. The difference between the KDL-60 R550A and the KDL-55W802A was small, even the Sony rep told me that. Sometimes the picture on the 55W802A looked a LITTLE more vibrant with SLIGHTLY better colors than the 60 R550A and sometime they looked identical. Please keep in mind I could not adjust these sets in this location of the store. For me I would go with the KDL-60 R550A because of the larger size, it does make a difference. One you get it in your home and you have no defects with the panel it will look great to you and you will never see the difference. Also I do not think the KDL-55W802A is a good value since it is still only a 120hz panel, very disappointing.

I also compared the Samsung 60F7100 to the Sony KDL-60 R550A and I would take the Sony with no question. The Sony's blacks where better, colors were more natural. The Samsung had artificial colors and I almost thought the Sony's motion looked better. Also the Samsung's screen was too reflective and it affected the picture too much.

I compared the Panasonic ST60 next to all these sets and it looked good but did not have the brightness I would like and the blacks looked crushed.. By the way the Sony came the closest to the colors of the Panasonic (reviews on Panasonic stating accurate colors) as any other TV on the wall at best buy.

Please comment if you would like. Thanks.



Tony.
post #849 of 3975
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Originally Posted by acermen1212 View Post

Today I had the opportunity to play for some time and adjust the setting on the Sony KDL-70 R550A at Best Buy. I was very happy with the colors, sharpness, motion and blacks. It was in the magnolia side so the lights were not as bright. The sound quality of the internal speaker are much better than last years models for regular TV watching not movies. The only thing I was a little disappointed in was the overall brightness of the picture/ panel. I had the remote so I was able to play with the settings and even using the Vivid setting the picture was not as bright to the other sets near the Sony which included, Samsung and Sharp 65/70 inchers. The KDL-70 R550A vivid setting was equal to the standard setting of the XBR-65-950. I turned off all the eco settings and other sensor setting and I got this result. The picture was still excellent but I am puzzled at the brightness issue.

I looked at the KDL-60 R550A which was in the regular TV area along with the KDL-55W802A and the 60 R550A looked close to the brightness to the 55W802A. The difference between the KDL-60 R550A and the KDL-55W802A was small, even the Sony rep told me that. Sometimes the picture on the 55W802A looked a LITTLE more vibrant with SLIGHTLY better colors than the 60 R550A and sometime they looked identical. Please keep in mind I could not adjust these sets in this location of the store. For me I would go with the KDL-60 R550A because of the larger size, it does make a difference. One you get it in your home and you have no defects with the panel it will look great to you and you will never see the difference. Also I do not think the KDL-55W802A is a good value since it is still only a 120hz panel, very disappointing.

I also compared the Samsung 60F7100 to the Sony KDL-60 R550A and I would take the Sony with no question. The Sony's blacks where better, colors were more natural. The Samsung had artificial colors and I almost thought the Sony's motion looked better. Also the Samsung's screen was too reflective and it affected the picture too much.

I compared the Panasonic ST60 next to all these sets and it looked good but did not have the brightness I would like and the blacks looked crushed.. By the way the Sony came the closest to the colors of the Panasonic (reviews on Panasonic stating accurate colors) as any other TV on the wall at best buy.

Please comment if you would like. Thanks.



Tony.

I think your experience points to the dramatic differences that occur due to set up, even in Magnolia, and even with user adjustment. I say this bc your observations wrt the Sony vs the Samsung were the complete opposite of what I observed in a Magnolia.
post #850 of 3975
"I looked at the KDL-60 R550A which was in the regular TV area along with the KDL-55W802A and the 60 R550A looked close to the brightness to the 55W802A. The difference between the KDL-60 R550A and the KDL-55W802A was small, even the Sony rep told me that. Sometimes the picture on the 55W802A looked a LITTLE more vibrant with SLIGHTLY better colors than the 60 R550A and sometime they looked identical. Please keep in mind I could not adjust these sets in this location of the store. For me I would go with the KDL-60 R550A because of the larger size, it does make a difference. One you get it in your home and you have no defects with the panel it will look great to you and you will never see the difference. Also I do not think the KDL-55W802A is a good value since it is still only a 120hz panel, very disappointing."



I observed the Samsung in the regular TV area and it did not look good at all. Thanks.
post #851 of 3975
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Originally Posted by anthonymoody View Post

I think your experience points to the dramatic differences that occur due to set up, even in Magnolia, and even with user adjustment. I say this bc your observations wrt the Sony vs the Samsung were the complete opposite of what I observed in a Magnolia.
I would almost bet that the 70" being looked at had either the light sensor or power saver turned on if not both . The light sensor is a big culprit. When I turned off my light sensor the brightness jumped 50%. The PQ rating (that would be my personal rating) went from a B- to a solid A-.
post #852 of 3975
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

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Originally Posted by Temujin69 View Post

I've been following this thread for some time now...does this Sony compare with the 70 Inch Sharp Aquos models?
With there being only one model of the Sony 70 inch and like 5 of the Sharps, I know it's a tough comparison, but for the 745 and 847 is the Sony a serious contender / better alternative for less money?
I like the price difference obviously, but also the passive 3d and glasses is a plus, and it seems like there are fewer issues with this one than the Sharps. True? Is the Vizio even in the same ballpark quality wise?
The major differences between the Sharp models is some are 120hz, some are 240hz, some use the 4th color pixel (yellow) and some don't. At least one professional review I've read on a model using 240hz and the yellow pixel stated that his final settings included going from 240 down to 120 and turning the yellow pixel off. The new Vizio "M" series looks good on paper and as of now the 70"er has not been seen in the wild. Between the Sony the Sharp and the Vizio I don't know who's screens are being used but possibly LG's. All I can say is that I sent two Vizio 70" "E" series back because of screen uniformity issues (flash lighting and clouding) and I see neither of these issues with the Sony. Passive 3D is a big plus for me . The picture is great and the glasses can be had for under $10 each. Love to see a shootout between the three comparable (MSRP wise) 70" displays from Sony, Sharp, and Vizio.

Well I have to be careful with the screen uniformity gig, because I want to say that clouding is minimal (at least given the full black screen, letter box, and pillar box tests), BUT, there are these brightish blobs in the middle (it's the hokey game curse....I'm starting a new Sony centric accronym: HGC). Are those merely lighting dispersion problems with the light guides, or actually the only places where a uniform clouding lets up? Dunno.

I spoke with my wife, and she was happy enough with an episode of True Blood, Harry Potter 1, Ice Age 4 3d, and Avatar 3D, so apparently that's enough. For me, I'd return it in a heart beat if I wasn't afraid of getting a flash lighting bleeding set. THAT would drive me nuts perhaps more so than the blobs.
post #853 of 3975
Thread Starter 
For those of you (50" / 60" / 70") WITHOUT the blobs, chime in please: have you tested it with panning lightly colored scenes like hockey, or moving sky scenes like golf has, or anything similar?
post #854 of 3975
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

For those of you (50" / 60" / 70") WITHOUT the blobs, chime in please: have you tested it with panning lightly colored scenes like hockey, or moving sky scenes like golf has, or anything similar?

Been watching a lot of hockey these days, I haven't noticed any blobs at all with my 70 inch.
post #855 of 3975
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Originally Posted by acermen1212 View Post

"I looked at the KDL-60 R550A which was in the regular TV area along with the KDL-55W802A and the 60 R550A looked close to the brightness to the 55W802A. The difference between the KDL-60 R550A and the KDL-55W802A was small, even the Sony rep told me that. Sometimes the picture on the 55W802A looked a LITTLE more vibrant with SLIGHTLY better colors than the 60 R550A and sometime they looked identical. Please keep in mind I could not adjust these sets in this location of the store. For me I would go with the KDL-60 R550A because of the larger size, it does make a difference. One you get it in your home and you have no defects with the panel it will look great to you and you will never see the difference. Also I do not think the KDL-55W802A is a good value since it is still only a 120hz panel, very disappointing."



I observed the Samsung in the regular TV area and it did not look good at all. Thanks.

I personally think the Samsung 7100 has a great picture. Only issue for me is the highly reflective screen, which would give me a headache in my room due to all of my windows
post #856 of 3975
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

I would almost bet that the 70" being looked at had either the light sensor or power saver turned on if not both . The light sensor is a big culprit. When I turned off my light sensor the brightness jumped 50%. The PQ rating (that would be my personal rating) went from a B- to a solid A-.



I thought I shut them both off when playing with the adjustments. If I recall I shut off one of them in the settings menu and the other from the options key. Please let me know how I should be turn them off, I might be back in the store tomorrow and I can try again. I think Sony did an excellent job on the performance of this TV especially for the price. When I compared the 70R550 to the 65XBR950 they were real close. The 65XBR was DEFINETLY not worth $2,000 more.

I currently have a Sony plasma (the last year they made plasma -2005) the KDE 50xs955. I did not buy their top end plasma the XBR since I thought the XS955 provided the best value and a great picture for the money and I have been happy with it all these years. If you are going to buy a new TV this year it does not make sense to spend a lot especially with the new technology that will mature in the next 4 to 5 years.
post #857 of 3975
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I personally think the Samsung 7100 has a great picture. Only issue for me is the highly reflective screen, which would give me a headache in my room due to all of my windows


Samsung's picture is very good but for my taste Samsung sets have oversaturation of their color and brightness, even after they are adjusted. Their color also sometimes is not completely accurate but the biggest problem they have is their reflective screen which hurts their overall presentation.
post #858 of 3975
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Originally Posted by samurai30 View Post

Been watching a lot of hockey these days, I haven't noticed any blobs at all with my 70 inch.
None on our 70' either smile.gif
post #859 of 3975
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

For those of you (50" / 60" / 70") WITHOUT the blobs, chime in please: have you tested it with panning lightly colored scenes like hockey, or moving sky scenes like golf has, or anything similar?

No blobs for me either
post #860 of 3975
I have had two 60" r550a and both have 'BLOBS" on the screen. The second one seems to process video better but the blobs are more noticeable. I am going to call Sony support soon about this issue again but worried I will get another defective 60".
post #861 of 3975
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Originally Posted by Briant73 View Post

I have had two 60" r550a and both have 'BLOBS" on the screen. The second one seems to process video better but the blobs are more noticeable. I am going to call Sony support soon about this issue again but worried I will get another defective 60".

Any chance of getting a pic of these blobs on your tv?
post #862 of 3975
Thread Starter 
Here are mine. I'm all of a sudden "stuck" again about what to do.

Quick points:
  • Two photos: The screen, and then the screen with me identifying the blobs just to be sure. A camera is not ideal for this in the middle of the day, though it's painfully obvious in real life. And much more so at night. But "regular non-panning multi-colored content" doesn't show it. As soon as the camera pans, you can get various hints of it or have it SLAP you in the face, depending.
  • I was typing "bright white" into the TV browser's URL entry hoping for a default google search. Nope. However, the error screen produced enough of a white to show the problem.
  • Ignore the horizontal banding evident----I think I caused that with one of my "advanced" settings that squashed the number of shades. Dunno.




post #863 of 3975
LL

LL

LL

LL

Not the best of pics, but my 70 inch on a white background. Not 100% perfect, but I don't see noticeable blobs that would make me return it. A few more pics in my gallery.
post #864 of 3975
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Originally Posted by samurai30 View Post

Not the best of pics, but my 70 inch on a white background. Not 100% perfect,

If that's truly how it looks IRL, it's pretty freaking close.

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but I don't see noticeable blobs that would make me return it. A few more pics in my gallery.

You saying you would return it if it looked like mine?
post #865 of 3975
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Here are mine. I'm all of a sudden "stuck" again about what to do.


Yow. I see nothing like that on my screen. Mine looks like samurai30's screen.

Mine doesn't have 100% edge-to-edge, pixel-to-pixel perfect uniformity, but I don't expect that. What I see is within the normally accepted tolerances of today's LED technology and frankly it doesn't impact my viewing whatsoever.

In your case, I'd have a problem with the blobs being white & dead center. Too noticeable. :/
post #866 of 3975
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post





ouch mine looks like samurais as well.

it took me a few minutes to notice those blobs in your picture b/c I thought it was just glare and reflection. LOL. but I would return it if it had those blobs. I guess paying for white glove delivery was the best thing I ever done so they can bring it up my stairs and plug it in and I can make sure the set was good before accepting it.

No way would I want to carry a set up my second floor and back down to return it and another set up the stairs not knowing it's perfect.

paying a few extra bucks can sometimes go a long way.
post #867 of 3975
Thread Starter 
What did you use to generate a full on white?

Mine was just an accidental error message screen.
post #868 of 3975
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

What did you use to generate a full on white?

Mine was just an accidental error message screen.

Got it as you suggested, during Internet browsing. The screen goes white for a few seconds before loading a page during the search feature.

I would return your Tv. Blobs too noticeable
Edited by samurai30 - 5/31/13 at 11:58am
post #869 of 3975
I searched images of "blank white screen" on google. which got me to this image

http://ministrytechonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/blankslide.jpg

I also opened mspaint and saved a giant blank picture as jpeg then viewed the picture through my network to confirm
post #870 of 3975
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Originally Posted by kanate View Post

Now another problem.

My connection is like this

TV <-HDMI1 (ARC)-> RECEIVER (Onkyo TX-NR616) <-HDMI-> PS3

On TV, BRAVIA Sync is ON, Speakers option is set to "Audio System". Everything works fine until I play movies that has DTS sound (For example, Disney's UP, John Carter, etc), There's an error message on the TV that say "Unsupported audio signal. Please check the device input" and there's no way to turn it off or disable the message.
Note: sometime the error message is not showing but if I skip the move to next chapters, the error is back.

I think the problem is that the receiver is passing through DTS audio with the HDMI to the TV and the TV couldn't process DTS. Doesn't make sense why would the TV try to process the audio when it's already set to use "Audio System" Speakers.

I also tried turning off audio pass through in the receiver, still same problem.

my parents tv did the same when playing some 3d mkv files off a usb drive...kept saying unsupported audio signal and there was no sound and i couldnt get the message to go away. This is on a 70". anyone else have any ideas on how to fix this?
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