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post #211 of 1165
I just order the Dune HD TV303.

Will be able to compare the image quality, functions and jukebox to my Popcorn Hour A400.

I really like to Popcorn Hour since the image quality is top notch, but the Dune is a popular player too and I am really curious to see what the difference will be...

For the Jukebox, I think there is no Dune jukebox install by default ? I need to install a third party one like Yadis or Zappiti...
post #212 of 1165
The jukebox runs on your PC similar to yamj for the PCH then you move the jukebox files for the Dune to access it.
post #213 of 1165
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

The jukebox runs on your PC similar to yamj for the PCH then you move the jukebox files for the Dune to access it.

Ok, thanks for the info. On the Popcorn Hour, I use NMJ (the new one with all new graphics).

On the Dune I read the best one seem to be Yadis or Zappiti. I think I will try Zappiti first since it can be use with their own iPad Jukebox app.
post #214 of 1165
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Originally Posted by markcu View Post

Thanks, so even the new 3d base won't play a blu-ray if you add a drive??

When I said "any Dune," I meant it!
post #215 of 1165
new firmware should be launched soon according to HDLand.

Will have :
(some) mkv audio drop outs corrected
inverted L/R 3D frames (through a new launch menu)

Dune HD Store (don't know what's inside and if it's the same thing than the Dune HD Portal or something else...)
post #216 of 1165
No 3D subs?
post #217 of 1165
Beta 6 is live :-)
post #218 of 1165
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Beta 6 is live :-)

How long should the update take? Doesn't seem to be installing on mine. Been an hour now.
post #219 of 1165
Changelog for beta six?
post #220 of 1165
tested my base 3d with Prometheus and Life of Pi and both work beautifully when changing setting to right eye first
it would nice if dune could add a file naming option like PCH but happy regardless

does any know if there's a thread or list started of 3d blurays with the inverted left/right eye?
post #221 of 1165
dont think there is a full list but off the top of my head is Prometheus, life of pi, hobbit, drive angry, rio3d, Narnia;Chronicles of the Dawn treader, Ice Age 3, Gullivers Travels 3d, Sammy's Adventures 3D, Dolphin Tale
post #222 of 1165
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

dont think there is a full list but off the top of my head is Prometheus, life of pi, hobbit, drive angry, rio3d, Narnia;Chronicles of the Dawn treader, Ice Age 3, Gullivers Travels 3d, Sammy's Adventures 3D, Dolphin Tale

thx halfelite!!
post #223 of 1165
If I have an oppo bdp-93 with 3d ISO support, and a dune base 3.0, is there any thing the dune base 3d can do that this combo can't?
Edited by fatherom - 5/1/13 at 6:36pm
post #224 of 1165
I should have read this thread before I bought the 303D - I thought it was farther along than it is. The 3D MKV issue really sucks, but the branching 3D ISO problem thoroughly blows. Their sales pitch and spec sheet really is borderline fraud in that the device doesn't play what it says it plays. Before anyone says "well non-branching titles play fine" , the Dune site doesn't set specific file requirements as being playable vs. non-playable vs. future support for ISO (3D or not).

We really have become QA testers for the manufacturers, only we don't get paid and we don't get a discount.
post #225 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Jet-X View Post

We really have become QA testers for the manufacturers, only we don't get paid and we don't get a discount.

This has been true for years in this market (media streamers), though Dune has (until now?) been better than most.
post #226 of 1165
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Originally Posted by ScottJ View Post

This has been true for years in this market (media streamers), though Dune has (until now?) been better than most.

Oh it's been true even in consumer electronics - from game systems to off the shelf DVD players, TVs, you name it.
post #227 of 1165
What's the main difference between Base3D and TV303D? Both sharing the same firmware design and both will suffer the same problem?
Any reason why I should pay more for Base3D?
post #228 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

What's the main difference between Base3D and TV303D? Both sharing the same firmware design and both will suffer the same problem?
Any reason why I should pay more for Base3D?

Just the case design
post #229 of 1165
I received the Dune HD 303D last week and was able to do some tests vs my Popcorn Hour A400.

The first thing that got my attention is the case, the Dune have the cheapest plastic case I ever see. I know it change nothing to the picture quality but it does give a cheap look to my Home theatre ring wink.gif

The Popcorn A400 case are made from metal and it's a Silverstone design so look and feel a bit more high end.

I know Dune also made the Base 3D, if I choose to stay with Dune, i think I will go for that machine as the case look to be made of metal. Can someone confirm this?

Ok now the real thing, the picture quality :

For everything below 1080p, no contest, the Popcorn Hour have the best picture quality. So if someone have a lot of DVD rip or they download a lot of 720p tv show or movies from internet, the A400 thanks to is VXP chip have the best picture quality. I did a lot of test with that type of content on my 108 inchs screen and there's no contest, the A400 is better

For everything that is 1080p (aka blu ray rip) the picture quality is about the same. No real difference here. The picture quality of the Dune is great and better than the realtek player I was using before.

The only thing in favor of the A400 in 1080p is that the VXP setting are still available and can enhance the picture quality perception. There two setting : one call Highlight and the other one Shadow. They can help to give a more 3D look on some flat transfert (poor blu ray upconvert). But this is for sure not "director intent" so a more subjective appreciation.

As for the stability, the Dune is way more stable and ready to rock than the Popcorn Hour. The A400 has made giant leap in the right direction but there still some bugs here and there. As for the Dune, is's almost a flawless experience.

On the Jukebox side, on the Dune I install Zappiti and was really impress by this Jukebox, the graphics are great and the Jukebox work really well without any bugs. The new NMJ on the A400 is great too but still have some littles bugs here and there.

Thats it for now, I will continu to do more testing this week-end and report back at a later time...
Edited by RickAVManiac - 5/4/13 at 5:00am
post #230 of 1165
I wouldn't worry too much about the case as the TV series is meant to be the lower end series (vs the Base, Max, etc... which are meant to be the Dune premium players). With the A400 it is PCHs only player.
post #231 of 1165
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Just the case design
Thanks for the info. The case difference and the type of 2.5"/3.5" bay. I guess the power supply too (built in case for Base3D, external psu for 303D)
But isn't it weird? Why would Dune do that? Or perhaps Dune will add more features (via firmware) in Base3D but not in 303D in the future?
post #232 of 1165
There are differences in supported audio formats and audio output. You can put up a comparison of the two models on dune-hd.com
post #233 of 1165
Anyone know how to update the zappiti player? its saying b5 is available but it wont download it... anyway to just do from a usb? is the fw the same for the b6 303?


BTW the mini player page does still tout mvc - shouldn't this be fixed by now??

● 3D Video Format Support: decodes wide variety of 3D Video formats, including 3D BD ISO, MVC, SBS, Top/Bottom and RealD 3D.

Sorry - found their fw page http://zappiti.com/zappiti_player_firmwares.html

Except their sites junk and you cant download anything from it.
Edited by Metric - 5/4/13 at 5:03pm
post #234 of 1165
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Originally Posted by bjoroy View Post

There are differences in supported audio formats and audio output. You can put up a comparison of the two models on dune-hd.com

Yes, I´ve also compared the two models at the dune-hd.com site and it looks like only the Base 3D decodes HD audio and outputs to LPCM. My Sony BDV-NF720 Home Cinema System doesn´t decode bitstreamed HD audio but supports LPCM 5.1ch over HDMI. I´m looking into getting a Base 3D for streaming IPTV and playing mkv movies off an attached USB HDD.

Ole
post #235 of 1165
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Originally Posted by owtuv View Post

Yes, I´ve also compared the two models at the dune-hd.com site and it looks like only the Base 3D decodes HD audio and outputs to LPCM. My Sony BDV-NF720 Home Cinema System doesn´t decode bitstreamed HD audio but supports LPCM 5.1ch over HDMI. I´m looking into getting a Base 3D for streaming IPTV and playing mkv movies off an attached USB HDD.

Ole

The TV303D decodes HD Audio (DTSMA) and outputs as 5.1 LPCM using the patch. It does not do this for TrueHD (and my understanding neither does the Base3d)
post #236 of 1165
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

The TV303D decodes HD Audio (DTSMA) and outputs as 5.1 LPCM using the patch. It does not do this for TrueHD (and my understanding neither does the Base3d)

If this is correct, both the UK (dune-hd.com) and US (duneplayer.com) sites have the specs wrong. Could it be that TrueHD has been licenced for the more expensive Base 3D player?

Ole
post #237 of 1165
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Originally Posted by owtuv View Post

If this is correct, both the UK (dune-hd.com) and US (duneplayer.com) sites have the specs wrong. Could it be that TrueHD has been licenced for the more expensive Base 3D player?

Ole

I don't believe decoding TrueHD has been licensed for the Base3D either for what others have confirmed (I have confirmed this on the TV303D).
post #238 of 1165
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I don't believe decoding TrueHD has been licensed for the Base3D either for what others have confirmed (I have confirmed this on the TV303D).

I´ve just scrolled the "Dune HD Base 3D - Official Thread" over at the UK forum where owners are confirming that the Base 3D (EU version) does decode both DTSMA and TrueHD to LPCM. Seems to be a difference between the EU and NA versions then.

Ole
post #239 of 1165
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Originally Posted by owtuv View Post

I´ve just scrolled the "Dune HD Base 3D - Official Thread" over at the UK forum where owners are confirming that the Base 3D (EU version) does decode both DTSMA and TrueHD to LPCM. Seems to be a difference between the EU and NA versions then.

Ole

It depends though what they are stating. Are t hey testing out on a Blu ray folder/ISO rip? If so then the Dune is not decoding the TrueHD but instead the AC3 track. The way to test this would be to play a TrueHD mkv which does not have the embedded AC3 track (so right now you get no sound)
post #240 of 1165
To: Dbone ........look you are probably correct( you usually are smile.gif ), but I swear that recently when I tested for some guy, that I had trueHD coming out of my Onkyo........ I ran Makemkv with the TrueHD box ticked, and when I played it checked that the audio track said TrueHD and that I had the TrueHD icon up on my Onkyo........ but if I get time will try again tomorrow. - unless you can point out what I was doing wrong. smile.gif
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