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post #571 of 1165
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I use Zappiti instead of yaDIS and it works great with the 3 Dunes I have set up at home (Zappiti jukebox stored centrally on my server)

+1. Zappiti works great now with all 5 of my Dunes. The direct load to Zappiti is the best part.
post #572 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Aaron Silver View Post

sorry, let me paraphrase..."since the large majority of people ripping blu rays would not find the lack of cinavia a deal breaker if everything else about the media was meeting expectations"

Cinavia is the reason HDI/Sigma didn't renew BD license for the lastest players.. This is the reason the seamless branching is not working and well as forced subtitle issue. No BD license no BD engine no full ISO support frown.gif.
post #573 of 1165
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Originally Posted by blackssr View Post

+1. Zappiti works great now with all 5 of my Dunes. The direct load to Zappiti is the best part.

Yup, I am running 3 dunes now (BD Prime, Smart B1 and TV303D set up outdoors) with Zappiti on auto boot biggrin.gif
post #574 of 1165
Good to know. Anyone interested in buying a TV303D :P
post #575 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Aaron Silver View Post

Just ordered my Zappiti player yesterday and should get it on Wed....I was on the fence about whether to go with the "smart" series vs the new the 3D players... My gut was telling to me to go with the sure thing which to me is probably the 'smart' series because they are proven to work...but I took the gamble on a new one...I just hope Dune steps up to the plate and fixes the major issues associated with BD lite (which I think is where they should focus since for the most part, no one cares about Cinavia or full menu's)...which means fixing....
1. Seamless branch & forced subtitles in 3D ISO, FOLDER, and m2ts formats....or
2. Fully supporting mkv's by putting their resources into supporting 3D mcv mkv's

The other reason I went with the new one is I really like the Zappiti interface and how it is intergrated...Originally, I was going to spend a lot of money and build a controller from Cinemar's software using their MLServer and DVDLobby software and intergrating my zwave, honeywell security, and dune onto one controller...but the benefits to me aren't worth the price (was going to be like $1500 just for the software)...needless to say, the Zappiti was a nice compromise...

It is my understanding that the issues you mention with regard to seamless branching and forced subs are all due to the lack of a BD engine and proper BD license. In order to have a BD license the players must support Cinavia. This throws a major wrench in the plan.
My ripping method creates a single .m2ts file in a ripped ISO. I also create an external .srt file (with forced subs only) that I insert in the folder with the ISO. I have my 303D set to always play external subs. Works great for me. My other Dunes read the flag in the ISOs created by Clown_bd and ignore the external .srt file because I have those set NOT to play external subs.
post #576 of 1165
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Yup, I am running 3 dunes now (BD Prime, Smart B1 and TV303D set up outdoors) with Zappiti on auto boot biggrin.gif

Can you run 3 Dunes at once from your server? I have 5 Dunes but can only run 3 at once from my server before I have speed issues.
post #577 of 1165
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Can you run 3 Dunes at once from your server? I have 5 Dunes but can only run 3 at once from my server before I have speed issues.

No clue, never needed to run 3 and probably only on a rare occasion have I even run 2 at once. Are you operating a hotel???
post #578 of 1165
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Can you run 3 Dunes at once from your server? I have 5 Dunes but can only run 3 at once from my server before I have speed issues.

I would think with a gigabit connection that it would run 5 (and probably more)...what is your connection method?
post #579 of 1165
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It is my understanding that the issues you mention with regard to seamless branching and forced subs are all due to the lack of a BD engine and proper BD license. In order to have a BD license the players must support Cinavia. This throws a major wrench in the plan.
My ripping method creates a single .m2ts file in a ripped ISO. I also create an external .srt file (with forced subs only) that I insert in the folder with the ISO. I have my 303D set to always play external subs. Works great for me. My other Dunes read the flag in the ISOs created by Clown_bd and ignore the external .srt file because I have those set NOT to play external subs.

Can you elaborate more specifically the process you use and software for this whole process? Like for instance what program you use to write the single m2ts file....

Also, isn't there a patch that can fix this problem also? What would be the difference between your method vs. applying the patch on the Dune firmware...

Thanks, I'm still very new to all this though I have done my fair share of research on the subject...
post #580 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Aaron Silver View Post

I would think with a gigabit connection that it would run 5 (and probably more)...what is your connection method?

Cat5e throughout entire house. Gb lan. WHS in Raid 5. I think my server can not keep up.
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You will hit I/o performance issues unless your NAS/server is built to handle a huge offload like that. I can handle 5 streams on my NAS but its a custom built machine using a hardware raid card to offload disc I/O to its own cpu
post #582 of 1165
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Can you elaborate more specifically the process you use and software for this whole process? Like for instance what program you use to write the single m2ts file....

Also, isn't there a patch that can fix this problem also? What would be the difference between your method vs. applying the patch on the Dune firmware...

Thanks, I'm still very new to all this though I have done my fair share of research on the subject...

For my Server and My Dunes:
I use Anydvd HD with "Clown_BD. I create a ripped ISO with only movie, HD audio and sub/forced titles. Takes about 20-25 minutes per movie on my video editing machine. Once Clown_BD finishes, I create a forced sub .srt file from the forced track that clown creates with a program called Suprip . This is the .srt file required to have my 303D play the forced track when needed.

For my Android Tablets:
I create a 4 gig, 720P, mp4 with forced titles burned into video using "Wondershare Video Converter Ultimate". I mount the "Ripped ISO" using Virtual Clone Drive and load the .m2ts in Wondershare and 20-30 minutes later I have a perfect 4 gig mp4 with audio and video in perfect sync and forced titles burned into video.
Edited by blackssr - 7/30/13 at 1:48pm
post #583 of 1165
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

You will hit I/o performance issues unless your NAS/server is built to handle a huge offload like that. I can handle 5 streams on my NAS but its a custom built machine using a hardware raid card to offload disc I/O to its own cpu

My server is a custom built. 32 TB hardware raid 5. I had tested this awhile back for Mike @ Dune Player and we determined the Dunes drop the speed themselves(using built in speed test)once more come on line. I can stream HD Movies to 3 Dune bases at the same time without issue, the minute # 4 comes on line the stuttering begins. The 303D should fare better due to true GB lan. I never tested further because it is the only wife and I, So in reality we only watch 2 things at once. If I had 4 303Ds I can do more testing but it is not an issue for me. It may be my server or the Dune themselves. I can stream 3 Dunes and 2 Win 7 machines without issues.
post #584 of 1165
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Originally Posted by blackssr View Post

For my Server and My Dunes:
I use Anydvd HD with "Clown_BD. I create a ripped ISO with only movie, HD audio and sub/forced titles. Takes about 20-25 minutes per movie on my video editing machine. Once Clown_BD finishes, I create a forced sub .srt file from the forced track that clown creates with a program called Suprip . This is the .srt file required to have my 303D play the forced track when needed.

Curious why SRT? Doesn't that require OCR, which can be sloppy? Doesn't the 303D support any graphical sub format via external subs?
post #585 of 1165
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Curious why SRT? Doesn't that require OCR, which can be sloppy? Doesn't the 303D support any graphical sub format via external subs?

I do not know for sure. I had most already done when I converted my library last year for my Android Tablets.
post #586 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Aaron Silver View Post

Can you elaborate more specifically the process you use and software for this whole process? Like for instance what program you use to write the single m2ts file....

Also, isn't there a patch that can fix this problem also? What would be the difference between your method vs. applying the patch on the Dune firmware...

Thanks, I'm still very new to all this though I have done my fair share of research on the subject...

I do similar to blackssr, using Clown_BD to make a main movie rip. However, I take the created files and throw into an mkv (this addressed the forced subtitles issue once you apply the ScottJ patch, and as well keeps chapters)
post #587 of 1165
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I do similar to blackssr, using Clown_BD to make a main movie rip. However, I take the created files and throw into an mkv (this addressed the forced subtitles issue once you apply the ScottJ patch, and as well keeps chapters)

The big advantage to this method, is these files will show the proper subs on the PCH players and in XBMC as well.
post #588 of 1165
From the last couple pages it seems that the older Dunes, IE D1 smart series, will now auto boot into Zappiti automatically. Can someone please confirm this?

If this is true- what is the difference between the Zappiti player software on the Zappiti player vs. the software you'd install on a non Zappiti player?

For instance will the iOS remote still work?

Is it as fast? Smooth?

I'm seriously considering going with a D-1 and 3d Blu-Ray player until, if ever, they get these BD Lite menu issues sorted out.

Any input a side from what I've asked above is welcome.
post #589 of 1165
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

From the last couple pages it seems that the older Dunes, IE D1 smart series, will now auto boot into Zappiti automatically. Can someone please confirm this?

If this is true- what is the difference between the Zappiti player software on the Zappiti player vs. the software you'd install on a non Zappiti player?

For instance will the iOS remote still work?

Is it as fast? Smooth?

I'm seriously considering going with a D-1 and 3d Blu-Ray player until, if ever, they get these BD Lite menu issues sorted out.

Any input a side from what I've asked above is welcome.

Yes, auto boot has been working for a while in all Dune Models (including Smarts, BD Primes, etc...)

iOS remote will still work (you can use either the DUne RC remote app or the Zappiti App)

If you want to use the music jukebox you need the Zappiti player. TBH I see no reason to go with the Zappiti player over the Dune player

The TV303D maybe is little faster loading Zappiti then my Smarts, but not much at all.
post #590 of 1165
^^

Thanks.

And how is navigation once booted? I don't mind a bit longer boot time.

I could care less about music anything via my video streamer, so that's no problem for me.

May I ask why you decided to go with a newer 3d model with all of the problems they are having? A side from the obvious wanting to stream 3D was that it?
post #591 of 1165
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^^

Thanks.

And how is navigation once booted? I don't mind a bit longer boot time.

I could care less about music anything via my video streamer, so that's no problem for me.

May I ask why you decided to go with a newer 3d model with all of the problems they are having? A side from the obvious wanting to stream 3D was that it?

The Dunes boot right up to the main Zappiti screen. As far as navigating around, I have my Zappiti jukebox stored on my server and for me everything moves pretty quick. I believe navigation would be faster if the zappiti jukebox was stored locally (like on an attached SD card). It is definitely not as smooth/fast as using something like XBMC on an HTPC

As far as why I went with the TV303D,well ... two reasons .... I do have Blu Ray 3Ds (not a large collection) so I want to test out the various 3D players. The other reason ... the TV303D was sent to me to review for my blog biggrin.gif

To me the big advantage of the Smarts over the 3D series (if obviously you don't need 3D Blu Ray support):

- Proper full blu ray support (seamless branch, forced subtitles, full menus, etc...)
- Decoding to multi ch PCM if needed (I think you just need to apply a patch for the D and H)
- Ability to decode TrueHD (for those who have TrueHD mkvs and need to downmix)

The Smarts will continue to be the primary players in my house for the foreseeable future (B1, D1 and a BD Prime)
post #592 of 1165
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

As far as why I went with the TV303D,well ... two reasons .... I do have Blu Ray 3Ds (not a large collection) so I want to test out the various 3D players. The other reason ... the TV303D was sent to me to review for my blog biggrin.gif

To me the big advantage of the Smarts over the 3D series (if obviously you don't need 3D Blu Ray support):

- Proper full blu ray support (seamless branch, forced subtitles, full menus, etc...)
- Decoding to multi ch PCM if needed (I think you just need to apply a patch for the D and H)
- Ability to decode TrueHD (for those who have TrueHD mkvs and need to downmix)

The Smarts will continue to be the primary players in my house for the foreseeable future (B1, D1 and a BD Prime)
So, if all my Blu rays are movie only m2ts files (and occasional MKV) and my DVD’s (yea, still have some) are movie only Video_TS structure and my pre/pro does all the decoding and I am streaming everything over the network, I have no reason NOT to go with cheaper TV303D (even though I do not care much for 3D)?
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post #593 of 1165
I will bitstream to the AVR so the last two aren't a big deal to me.

A simple, no issue playback of blu-ray ISO files is what I'm after and if that means having to pop in a 3d disc then so be it.

By server do you mean a NAS type device? I have a NAS box that I will expand upon. It's hardwired to the home theater, where the Dune box will go. I could put the Zappiti software there but I could just as easily put it on an SD card.

If located on the NAS box will it auto scrape new files? Or is that still a manual process?

And...... an excellent reason to go with the TV303D.

Maybe one day they'll get the seamless branch and subtitles worked out for all blu-ray ISOs.
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So, if all my Blu rays are movie only m2ts files (and occasional MKV) and my DVD’s (yea, still have some) are movie only Video_TS structure and my pre/pro does all the decoding and I am streaming everything over the network, I have no reason NOT to go with cheaper TV303D (even though I do not care much for 3D)?
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Going with any of the 3d boxes will give you troubles with sub titles at the least. There is no one easy solution....
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So, if all my Blu rays are movie only m2ts files (and occasional MKV) and my DVD’s (yea, still have some) are movie only Video_TS structure and my pre/pro does all the decoding and I am streaming everything over the network, I have no reason NOT to go with cheaper TV303D (even though I do not care much for 3D)?
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Correct, the TV303D may make more sense in your case. Also, I believe DunePlayer does have Refurb Smarts (for example a B1 which the BR Rom drive does not work but the streaming works perfect), so that is another option if you want to spend less but get all the functionality of the Smarts,
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I will bitstream to the AVR so the last two aren't a big deal to me.

A simple, no issue playback of blu-ray ISO files is what I'm after and if that means having to pop in a 3d disc then so be it.

By server do you mean a NAS type device? I have a NAS box that I will expand upon. It's hardwired to the home theater, where the Dune box will go. I could put the Zappiti software there but I could just as easily put it on an SD card.

If located on the NAS box will it auto scrape new files? Or is that still a manual process?

And...... an excellent reason to go with the TV303D.

Maybe one day they'll get the seamless branch and subtitles worked out for all blu-ray ISOs.

Yeah, I just build a Windows Server 2012 Essentials Server (about 46TB) which replaced my WHSv1 server.

As far as zappiti it needs to be installed on a PC (so if you have a pre built NAS boxes like ReadyNAS, QNAP or Synology if won't work on those). I just have Zappiti installed on my WIndows 7 PC. It doesn't auto scrape per se, you need to launch the program and once you do then it will begin the scraping process. For a typical day it probably takes me maybe 1 minute to run Zappiti and update the jukebox, so it is very painless. Even if you don't have a Dune right now you can download the Zappiti software and test out on your PC. What I like about Zappiti, what you see on your PC is exactly what you will see on your Dune, so no guess work.

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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

Going with any of the 3d boxes will give you troubles with sub titles at the least. There is no one easy solution....

Well, sort of, just depends on how you store your subtitles. For example, if you rip t o a Blu ray folder structure then forced subtitles will not work. However, if you rip your movie into an mkv forced subtitles will work (with ScottJs patch). Much of my library is main movie rips with Clown_BD but lately I have been throwing into mkvs which covers the forced subtitle issue for me (in the case of the TV303D or some of the other players I test)
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So the Zap software on the PC interacts with the NAS, and the dune player of choice interacts with the NAS? The juke box data is input to the dune player via a media source such as an SD card.

Do I have that right?

Why does someone have a patch for subs, but dune doesn't update their firmware for it?

And, in any event it still seems easier to just rip a 1-1 .ISO and be done with it.
post #597 of 1165
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If you want to use the music jukebox you need the Zappiti player. TBH I see no reason to go with the Zappiti player over the Dune player

I went with the Zappiti box so that i could get everything "ready to go" out of the package....

I didn't really buy it for the music jukebox but I guess I will test it out since I normally just use i-tunes anyway...curious, what are your's and other thoughts on the music interface?
post #598 of 1165
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

So the Zap software on the PC interacts with the NAS, and the dune player of choice interacts with the NAS? The juke box data is input to the dune player via a media source such as an SD card.

Do I have that right?

Why does someone have a patch for subs, but dune doesn't update their firmware for it?

And, in any event it still seems easier to just rip a 1-1 .ISO and be done with it.

For me correct . Zappiti on PC - export jukebox to server - dune accessed jukebox on server (note you only need the zappiti software running on your PC to update your jukebox, otherwise it does not need to be running)

The forced sub patch was created by a user, no idea why Dune can't implement itself (I have mentioned this to them)
post #599 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Aaron Silver View Post

I went with the Zappiti box so that i could get everything "ready to go" out of the package....

I didn't really buy it for the music jukebox but I guess I will test it out since I normally just use i-tunes anyway...curious, what are your's and other thoughts on the music interface?

I can't really comment on music because I use a dedicated system (sonos) for music. The music ui looks OK on my PC (I did set up briefly)
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Is the latest firmware still beta 6? If so, are most people still avoiding it?
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