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post #631 of 1165
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Originally Posted by thetoad View Post

n/m I'm an idiot. wrong dune thread smile.gif

It's ok, im actually getting a smart series which is 100 only. I thought 100 ethernet was MB/s and usb 2.0 is 480 mbps.

It's hard to keep it all straight.

I was reading an old dune thread from 2010 about this topic and the guy was saying that because he couldnt use the eSata port in multi mode his LAN connection was screwed because of the usb 2.0.

In any event i have no problem bringing down the laptop to transfer movies over usb 3.0.
post #632 of 1165
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

It's ok, im actually getting a smart series which is 100 only. I thought 100 ethernet was MB/s and usb 2.0 is 480 mbps.

Those numbers are both Mb (megabits, not megabytes or millibits smile.gif
post #633 of 1165
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Those numbers are both Mb (megabits, not megabytes or millibits smile.gif

Thanks for posting that. If a person doesnt tech out on a regular basis its hard to keep track. Lol... At least for me.

I just cant win on this dune. If only the smart had gigabit. Oh well, i shouldn't complain. Much better with no gigabit than no consistent file structure. smile.gif
post #634 of 1165
It appears that duneplayer.com it's going to have a limited quantity of Dune Smart Series D1 for $360 dollars + shipping. Ouch! That's approximately over $100 dollars than what I paid for mine brand new.
post #635 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

it seems that there's a bug with the 3D models : they mixed the color space between HD and SD.

So in fact you need to force output to BT.601 if you are watching mostly HD, or BT.709 if mostly SD (should be the other way round normally). Default should be kept to Auto.

FYI on my smart i use these settings : 8bits/RGB/Default=Auto. I found out that using RGB gives more contrast/colors on SD than Auto setting, but doesn't change anything for HD (in fact I tried all possible combinations and never found out any impact on HD rolleyes.gif at least any that my eyes could have seen...). may be you should try it too.
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Originally Posted by ScottJ View Post

I think you got that backwards. 709 is the HD standard.

No, in fact dune did it wrong : if you set it up to BT.709 in reality you get BT.601, and the other way round (BT.601 = BT.709), so you have to correct this mistake manually. this is confirmed for zapp range, so should also impact 303D/Base 3D as they all use the exact same firmware. Zapp guys told us that smart should also be impacted, but i made some tests and didn't see any difference...
post #636 of 1165
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

Thanks for posting that. If a person doesnt tech out on a regular basis its hard to keep track. Lol... At least for me.

I just cant win on this dune. If only the smart had gigabit. Oh well, i shouldn't complain. Much better with no gigabit than no consistent file structure. smile.gif

my 2 cents : buy this http://www.amazon.com/Mediasonic-HF2-SU2S2-ProBox-Enclosure-Drives/dp/B002UUPWP6 (damn, the price in US is so cheap compared to europe eek.gif). Put whatever drive you want in it (up to 4TB).
Then buy a small USB USB 3.0 HDD dock. When you want to make some file transfer just remove the HDD from the enclosure, plug it into your dock and use a full USB 3.0 speed (if your PC as an esata port it's even better with an esata dock). Just be sure to find out the correct dock, some of the cheapest can have huge problems with +3TB HDD. The 4 bays enclosure is confirmed to have no problem with +3TB HDD as long as you format it from the dune (a friend of mine is using it without any problem).

For the drive limit on a smart through USB i think it's 32.
post #637 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

my 2 cents : buy this http://www.amazon.com/Mediasonic-HF2-SU2S2-ProBox-Enclosure-Drives/dp/B002UUPWP6 (damn, the price in US is so cheap compared to europe eek.gif). Put whatever drive you want in it (up to 4TB).
Then buy a small USB USB 3.0 HDD dock. When you want to make some file transfer just remove the HDD from the enclosure, plug it into your dock and use a full USB 3.0 speed (if your PC as an esata port it's even better with an esata dock). Just be sure to find out the correct dock, some of the cheapest can have huge problems with +3TB HDD. The 4 bays enclosure is confirmed to have no problem with +3TB HDD as long as you format it from the dune (a friend of mine is using it without any problem).

For the drive limit on a smart through USB i think it's 32.

Thanks!!! Exactly what I'm looking for.

2 questions. Your last sentence says drive limit on a smart via USB is 32. Is that number correct and is that TB?

The box you link to appears to be only usb 2.0. Was that a mistake? Is there a 3.0 box with the same features?

Edit *** I kind of see what you're saying with the usb 3.0. But I'm not understanding how the hub comes into play. It seems i would need an external 3.0 box for file transfer, almost with like a hot swap bay
Edited by pdxrealtor - 8/7/13 at 8:05am
post #638 of 1165
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

It appears that duneplayer.com it's going to have a limited quantity of Dune Smart Series D1 for $360 dollars + shipping. Ouch! That's approximately over $100 dollars than what I paid for mine brand new.

Thats a crime, literally price gouging. Id rather continue my journey with an Intel NUC for the same price,using XBMC and be done with it.
post #639 of 1165
32 is the theoretical maximum number of drives you can plug into a smart using USB hubs. TBH i'm not sure about this number and might be wrong (cant' remember exactly, could be 52. I will try to find the source) but anyway that's more than you will ever need (i know some people here that will say that 36 or 52 HDD is never enough tongue.gif )

there's a USB 3.0 version, i just took the first link returned by google biggrin.gif. Here it is, and it's just a little bit more expensive than the USB 2.0 : http://www.amazon.com/Mediasonic-HF2-SU3S2-ProBox-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B003X26VV4/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=A2WSTUX2A6RQ1A
post #640 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

32 is the theoretical maximum number of drives you can plug into a smart using USB hubs. TBH i'm not sure about this number and might be wrong (cant' remember exactly, could be 52. I will try to find the source) but anyway that's more than you will ever need (i know some people here that will say that 36 or 52 HDD is never enough tongue.gif )

there's a USB 3.0 version, i just took the first link returned by google biggrin.gif. Here it is, and it's just a little bit more expensive than the USB 2.0 : http://www.amazon.com/Mediasonic-HF2-SU3S2-ProBox-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B003X26VV4/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=A2WSTUX2A6RQ1A

Perfect. Do you happen to know if your buddy is using the auto power off / on feature with any success?

I have a USB 3.0 drive for backup on my laptop and it came with a cable that is a pigtail. One plug is 3.0 and one is 2.0, the other end is drive hook up (3.0). That type of cable would nix the hub. Even better.
post #641 of 1165
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

It appears that duneplayer.com it's going to have a limited quantity of Dune Smart Series D1 for $360 dollars + shipping. Ouch! That's approximately over $100 dollars than what I paid for mine brand new.

Half of them were spoken for last I talked with Mike a week ago. That was before they were posted on his site. Might not hurt to buy two!
post #642 of 1165
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

Perfect. Do you happen to know if your buddy is using the auto power off / on feature with any success?

I have a USB 3.0 drive for backup on my laptop and it came with a cable that is a pigtail. One plug is 3.0 and one is 2.0, the other end is drive hook up (3.0). That type of cable would nix the hub. Even better.

yes my friend is using the auto power off with success (enclosure goes off when dune is turned off), but : he has a smart unit and the USB 2.0 version of the enclosure. No reason why it shouldn't work in the same way with a Dune 3D and a USB 3.0 version, but you never know...FYI : his 2.0 version is very silent even with the fan on, but the blue HDD lights can be bright in the dark (if you plan to have it in front of you when watching a movie, then just use some tape to mask it !)
post #643 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

yes my friend is using the auto power off with success (enclosure goes off when dune is turned off), but : he has a smart unit and the USB 2.0 version of the enclosure. No reason why it shouldn't work in the same way with a Dune 3D and a USB 3.0 version, but you never know...FYI : his 2.0 version is very silent even with the fan on, but the blue HDD lights can be bright in the dark (if you plan to have it in front of you when watching a movie, then just use some tape to mask it !)

I have a smart on the way. I gave up on the 3d box. Its gone.

Yes that was one of the complaints on amazon, was bright lights. Mine will be off to the side out of site so no bigggie for me there.

Really like the auto fan feature and love the built in auto off feature. I was looking at adding an eco strip to control the power but the auto off/on is even better.

Is your friend using 7200 drives?

The box specs state max drive size is 3 tb, but you say youre buddy is using 4 without problem. Is he also connecting to a computer via USB to transfer files?

Thinking out loud..... If Dune ever gets the 3d models working properly an upgrade to that box will open up gigabit which should allow for fast enough file transfer over network.
post #644 of 1165
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

I have a smart on the way. I gave up on the 3d box. Its gone.

Yes that was one of the complaints on amazon, was bright lights. Mine will be off to the side out of site so no bigggie for me there.

Really like the auto fan feature and love the built in auto off feature. I was looking at adding an eco strip to control the power but the auto off/on is even better.

Is your friend using 7200 drives?

The box specs state max drive size is 3 tb, but you say youre buddy is using 4 without problem. Is he also connecting to a computer via USB to transfer files?

Thinking out loud..... If Dune ever gets the 3d models working properly an upgrade to that box will open up gigabit which should allow for fast enough file transfer over network.

You'll get like 12 Mbps MB/s the most. It doesn't matter that a media player has gigabit ethernet, if the CPU is too slow, it won't support it. I'm seriously considering selling both my Dune D1 and TV303, and going back to HTPC + XBMC. My wife watches all of her TV shows (such as Days of our Boring Lives) on her laptop now, and both my kids (7 and 4 years old) know how to use the laptop and PC now.
Edited by GusGus748s - 8/7/13 at 10:16am
post #645 of 1165
You guys do realize that the gigabit on the older models (Smart series and older) was experimental and not really meant to provide true gigabit speeds.
post #646 of 1165
You seem pretty techie so Ill assume it is Mbps not MBs. wink.gif

Guess I'm stuck taking my laptop down to the theater to transfer my burns. That,s not as much of a biggie as not being able to quickly pull a movie off the DAS to rip a mkv for the bedroom or living room box and NAS....

Thanks all for the help. Probably should quit asking questions here and get back on topic. smile.gif

** edit -- 12 Mbps would not even allow full bd ISO over the LAN. So what am I missing?
post #647 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

You guys do realize that the gigabit on the older models (Smart series and older) was experimental and not really meant to provide true gigabit speeds.

The spec is listed as only 100, I didn't even know they had experimental 1000 as you state.
post #648 of 1165
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

** edit -- 12 Mbps would not even allow full bd ISO over the LAN. So what am I missing?

12MBps is the maximum that the Ethernet could achieve. Again... the details is in the B vs b.
post #649 of 1165
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

The spec is listed as only 100, I didn't even know they had experimental 1000 as you state.

The older firmwares had a ethernet setting that allowed "Experimental" gigabit speeds but that was removed after many many complaints.
post #650 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

12MBps is the maximum that the Ethernet could achieve. Again... the details is in the B vs b.

Sorry for the error, but even if it is MB/s, it still super slow. biggrin.gif
post #651 of 1165
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Sorry for the error, but even if it is MB/s, it still super slow. biggrin.gif

Gotcha....

Slow for sure, but still fast enough to set a transfer and walk away. My current NAS maxes out at 14 MBs write speed.
post #652 of 1165
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Sorry for the error, but even if it is MB/s, it still super slow. biggrin.gif

For file transfers, yes. For streaming it is more than enough as that translates to almost 90mbps with overhead. No BD streams reach that high.
post #653 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

For file transfers, yes. For streaming it is more than enough as that translates to almost 90mbps with overhead. No BD streams reach that high.

Correct. Slow for file transfer, but good enough for BD streaming.
post #654 of 1165
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Correct. Slow for file transfer, but good enough for BD streaming.

That's why these are media "streamers". I don't think anyone should use internal/external storage (via USB/eSATA attached to the Dunes) without pulling your hair out as you wait. Spare yourself the headache and just get a small (and very, very, very, very cheap) PC (with real gigabit) for a NAS storage.
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post #656 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

That's why these are media "streamers". I don't think anyone should use internal/external storage (via USB/eSATA attached to the Dunes) without pulling your hair out as you wait. Spare yourself the headache and just get a small (and very, very, very, very cheap) PC (with real gigabit) for a NAS storage.

This will go in a dedicated theater room. I currently have a consumer NAS that we've used in the past to stream cut down rips to our lcd/plasmas and WD Boxes.

With a dedicated room and big screen I want to have full .ISO copies for quality. I really don't need this quality anywhere but the dedicated room so why spend the money to stream it all over the place?

It would be nice to grab an .ISO from the mass storage of movies while up stairs (dedicated room is d-stairs) on my laptop , rip it down and throw it on the NAS for a movie in bed or in the living room. But it's not worth the extra time and cost for me to build a central solution.

For less than 100 bucks I can buy a 4 bay USB 3.0 box, and start with one 4TB drive.
post #657 of 1165
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

For less than 100 bucks I can buy a 4 bay USB 3.0 box, and start with one 4TB drive.

For under $100 you can buy a used PC and build a 6-8 drive NAS and stick in a closet somewhere and forget it. Every room gets served.

For a bit more $180+shipping you can get a monster 24-bay server box from TAMS and throw it in another room (they are freaking loud stock).
post #658 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

For under $100 you can buy a used PC and build a 6-8 drive NAS and stick in a closet somewhere and forget it. Every room gets served.

For a bit more $180+shipping you can get a monster 24-bay server box from TAMS and throw it in another room (they are freaking loud stock).

I can probably get a free PC, but what's it cost to build the NAS part? There must some software and hardware costs then add drives. On top of that from what I've read there is always a setup and dial it in time period.

I'm all ears.......
post #659 of 1165
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post

I can probably get a free PC, but what's it cost to build the NAS part? There must some software and hardware costs then add drives. On top of that from what I've read there is always a setup and dial it in time period.

I'm all ears.......

Most PCs already come with almost everything needed for a 4-6 drive NAS. Mobo usually come with 4-6 SATA ports. We are talking cheap here so RAID is almost always out if you go cheap. Alternative to RAID is SnapRAID and its free.

It depends on how you get the used PC. If it comes with Windows 7 then you are golden. XP Pro is a bit fickle when it comes to NAS but it can be done to save a few $. RAM can be as low as 2GB so that's not an issue.

On a used PC look for Intel NIC. If it has Realtek then get an Intel Pro 1000 ($30-40 at newegg). Done.

Drives are not factored in since you have to factor that in with any NAS build. We are talking initial HW costs.

I can find used PCs on Craigslist all day long that can be adapted to a NAS with very little additional costs.

Windows is more than enough if you are trying to save $.

FreeNAS is another OS alternative and its free. Most hardware is compatible.
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

Most PCs already come with almost everything needed for a 4-6 drive NAS. Mobo usually come with 4-6 SATA ports. We are talking cheap here so RAID is almost always out if you go cheap. Alternative to RAID is SnapRAID and its free.

It depends on how you get the used PC. If it comes with Windows 7 then you are golden. XP Pro is a bit fickle when it comes to NAS but it can be done to save a few $. RAM can be as low as 2GB so that's not an issue.

On a used PC look for Intel NIC. If it has Realtek then get an Intel Pro 1000 ($30-40 at newegg). Done.

Drives are not factored in since you have to factor that in with any NAS build. We are talking initial HW costs.

I can find used PCs on Craigslist all day long that can be adapted to a NAS with very little additional costs.

Windows is more than enough if you are trying to save $.

FreeNAS is another OS alternative and its free. Most hardware is compatible.
That’s exactly what I did. I “inherited” old PC from my kids and adapted it to serve my movies. Only thing I added was Intel pro NIC card. MoBo has 6 sata ports and I even use two IDE drives (master and slave) on IDE port. Everything works just fine. The only thing I disagree about is I find XP pro WAY easier to set up for sharing (with Dune and anything else non Win7) than Windows 7. The downside is with XP you are limited to 2TB drives.
For example, my son just got 303D and for the life of me we couldn’t set up his Win 7 computer to see Dune on SMB. (FTP works though).
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