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post #961 of 1165
You are assuming that the Zappitti firmware is compatible with the non-Zappitti version. The way I understood it, they are operating as two different machines.
post #962 of 1165
No the Zappiti firmware is not compatible with the non Zappiti.
But as stated the machines are identical except for the embedded Zappiti software from what I understand
Sigma wouldnt have 2 separate toolings/dies it would be too expensive but would have probably slightly customized SDK for each machine which is why it shouldnt be hard to fix things if they did on one machine.
post #963 of 1165
If i'm to believe what I (google translate) read on hdtv.ru forum, the only difference between the zap firmware and the normal dune firmware is the product ID embedded in the firmware (this is the part that makes it impossible to flash a dune with a zap firmware because it's linked to their token). Outside of that everything else is identical. So it should be nothing for dune to release B8 to all their dune players (assuming B8 is not a terrible firmware). But they are not doing it. Why ?
post #964 of 1165
The only other possibility is it wouldnt be compatable with all the other dunes.
But I dont think so--they would do firmware then for the other models separate
I have been asking Dune some hard questions about wether we will get another firmware and are they leaving the market.
Now they delete my posts very quickly and also they are not replying to anyone.They have gone into shut down mode.

This is what someone just wrote over there and very interesting
I hope he doesnt mind me quoting him.

Alexander wrote: "If they come up with such announcement, nobody will buy what's left in stock. Believe or not, my brand new Dune Connect was produced back in June 2013. I've purchased it from Duneplayer.com week ago, and they too say it is a limited stock. Evidence is, Dune's quitting this world. They could at least fix the Dune Connect hang-on-wake issue, before abandoning their loyal customers."

It could be true then they are shutting down Dune Connect production as has been said over at Dune's Facebook page

Funny on their facebook page they say they want feedback good or bad but now deleting things very fast

All they would have to do is make an announcement to put peoples concerns to rest if its not true
They are in full damage control now

I contacted their PR department this afternoon hoping for some clarification
Edited by denass - 1/21/14 at 1:42am
post #965 of 1165
Dune has finally responded to me regarding the firmware updates.
I think the pressure they have been put under recently has prompted them to act.
Hopefully they will follow thru with their promise
Here is what they have said

Dune HD commented on your post.
Dune HD wrote: "Hi Dennis, First of all, thank you for your feedback. The suggestions and remarks you send to us are collected on the daily basis and all of them are important to us. Dune HD company is not leaving the media player business. We are very sorry that you have to wait for some of the improvements but we would like to provide you with the solutions that are complete and ready to use. Our software developers work on the issues mentioned by you and we do not give you any release dates because we want to be certain that everything is working properly before the launch. You will surely be one of the first users to be informed about the new firmware version. In case of any other problems we really suggest to use the technical support on Dune HD website where all the information about the bugs are gathered and the contact with software team can be more direct: http://dune-hd.com/eng/support/technical_support Best Regards, Dune HD Facebook Team"


I hope this is a positive move and await to hear from them regarding releasing a firmware update
This is great news if they follow thru
post #966 of 1165
Guys here is my reply to Dune on their facebook page

Dune thankyou for responding to my concerns and that of others regarding you leaving the Media Player business.It has been nearly 10 months and no updates which are sorely needed.
It needed to be clarified by your company that you are going to still be supporting us customers and to protect future sales of your products.I will now await for the firmware you have now said is coming.I hope at least an interim one could be done to tie us over if its going to be a long wait.People are returning your products regretably because of the long wait and rumors circulating.
post #967 of 1165
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Originally Posted by denass View Post

Guys here is my reply to Dune on their facebook page

People are returning your products regretably because of the long wait and rumors circulating.

The only rumors being circulated are the ones you are posting.

HDi is slow. Everyone has known that for over 8 years. If you think they should be quicker then you got the wrong media player. Sell your Dunes and try another player and see how slow and buggy they are.

There is a reason why the Dunes are so popular. They just work. Yes, they all have bugs. All media players do. If you think there is another player that doesn't....oh wait, there aren't any.
post #968 of 1165
Killroy I will be the fist to eat humble pie if Dune does bring out firmwares but there is alot being said by people in the know that have industry insiders too.
You seem to blindly support Dune and not taking in what others are saying.
I am not the only one saying what is happening in the media player industry and you seem to be the only one with blinders on.
So many other media player companies have fallen and Dune is not god
I still believe what is being said by people who are open minded and not blinded like you.
As I said I am a Dune player lover but what their CEO said still sticks
I have had to push like hell to get a response from them and time will tell
Buyer beware tho and I do think they are now in damage control
They are getting large number of returns and people are staying away from them
They are notthe company they once were.
I think the older Dunes are perfect--they are stable and play everything--but what Dune has now is not in any of their products
Edited by denass - 1/21/14 at 8:19am
post #969 of 1165
Blinded? How many times was Apple laid to rest? How many times have they written their obituary. How many "insiders" and "people in the know" have said that Apple was going out of business in the last 25-years?

Unless you have someone working for HDi or HDi themselves saying they are closing shop then I don't believe any "insiders". They are usually the same people that tell you one company is going out of business while telling you to buy from another.

Will HDi go out of business? Someday they will cause the media player market is horrible. But that the same can be said for EVERY single media player maker out there. None of them are perfect. They are ALL buggy as hell. All of them have horrible firmware support. If you don't believe that then its you that is blinded.
post #970 of 1165
Well Killroy we will see in 3 months then you can eat humble pie or me
Dune is in trouble that there is not doubt about and this came to me from from a large Dune retailer
Theres the old saying Killroy that fits you
"Theres none so blind as those who dont want to see"
Edited by denass - 1/21/14 at 8:28am
post #971 of 1165
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Originally Posted by denass View Post

Dune is in trouble that there is not doubt about and this came to me from from a large Dune retailer

Which retailer? There is only 2 in the US and I have not heard that from either one.
post #972 of 1165
Not in the U.S.
post #973 of 1165
Again...which retailer? I want to verify your info.
post #974 of 1165
I will not put their name up
I am also not going to try and keep arguing with you
Like I said we will see in 3 months
post #975 of 1165
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Originally Posted by denass View Post

I will not put their name up

And with that, your credibility just went down to zero.
post #976 of 1165
Nothing like talking to a wall
Do some research you might learn something
post #977 of 1165
The only thing that hurt dune is I have a feeling they lost some good developers as the Smart series they had rock solid which was based off the older sdk. When they finally did switch to the new "lightweight" sdk starting with the tv models there boxes started turning more buggy and less and less firmwares.

I dont think they will totally die. I have always figured they would pull out of the media streaming market and focus more on IPTV but that has been going on for 2 years and they have not yet. Both Dune and PCH are pretty much the oldest still left standing in the media player world they have been counted down and out many times, many new products came and went that were so called "killers" and these two still stand as much as people complain they most in the end come out on top to be the ones still left in business.
post #978 of 1165
In all honesty, it is concerning that Dune hasn't come up with new firmwares, but my Dune Smart Series D1 has been solid since day one. As long as it continued playing my rip movies like it has been, I've got not issues with the firmware.biggrin.gif
post #979 of 1165
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

The only thing that hurt dune is I have a feeling they lost some good developers as the Smart series they had rock solid which was based off the older sdk. When they finally did switch to the new "lightweight" sdk starting with the tv models there boxes started turning more buggy and less and less firmwares.

I dont think they will totally die. I have always figured they would pull out of the media streaming market and focus more on IPTV but that has been going on for 2 years and they have not yet. Both Dune and PCH are pretty much the oldest still left standing in the media player world they have been counted down and out many times, many new products came and went that were so called "killers" and these two still stand as much as people complain they most in the end come out on top to be the ones still left in business.

I remember getting my Base 3.0 years ago in the early days and from day one it has played everything thrown at it and never have had any issues at all.So then firmware wasnt important as the thing just worked.I ripped everything to iso as thats what they said was the format of choice for the dune.I bought a himdeia 900b and what a headache.Then came a Max not quite as stable as the Base 3.0 then hiccups playing some discs in it.No firmware ever came to fix that even when it was still in production.It didnt worry me as I had a dedicated bluray player to use. Then came along the Base 3D and buggy as hell and I like many others werent used to this from Dune but we stood by waiting for fixes.Now if you look at forums about the Base 3D you can see people returning their units or buying the competitions alot more now.People have bought the Base 3D hoping fixes would come.They havent and even some die hard Dune people are switching.I see this quite abit over at AVFORUM.Its a pity Dune hasnt been onto it much faster and its has to be hurting them.This is happening on other products of theirs too
I just hope we can get a firmware out that fixes the major ones on the Base 3D and I would be a happy camper.I like many others are not used to Dune having major issues not fixed for 10 months.This day and age with the competition they have its fatal to get a bad reputation because people have good choices
The form factor of the Base 3D is the thing I really like it fits in well with all the other AV equipment I have.
I just hope I have helped spurr them on to get out a much needed firmware update
I still love my Base 3.0 and will never part with it
Edited by denass - 1/21/14 at 3:07pm
post #980 of 1165
The problem as I see it is this: all media players need to dump anything that has to do with the BDA. Go license free. Open source is the only thing that will save them.

I have been preaching for years that HD audio (DTS-MA, TrueHD) and the act of bitstreaming is EVIL!!!! They depend on BDA licenses that will not be given to any Media players and it will soon go away from HTPCs unless you use certain apps that will be very restrictive. I have also been preaching that ISO is also EVIL due to the fact that most ISO keep their native BDA restricted formats and will also depend on the BDA licenses to properly playback.

Open sourced solutions like LPCM or multi-channel FLAC is the only way kick the BDA habit. LPCM requires an extra step to accomplish so I have never used it. FLAC is as easy as it gets with eac3to command line as it is a single step to create.

And today I checked with the Popcorn Hour forum and what do I see... their Moderators are pretty much preaching that all rippers stay away from HD audio and only use FLAC or LPCM.

Hate to sound like a broken record but... MKV+FLAC+PGS=FTW!!!!
post #981 of 1165
Still using and loving my Base 3.0 and Smart player. If I knew how to I would create my own version of a Dune indexer closer to what Xbmc looks like lol. I was going to get a base 3d but thought i don't really need it as i don't really watch much 3d to begin with.
post #982 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

The problem as I see it is this: all media players need to dump anything that has to do with the BDA. Go license free. Open source is the only thing that will save them.

I have been preaching for years that HD audio (DTS-MA, TrueHD) and the act of bitstreaming is EVIL!!!! They depend on BDA licenses that will not be given to any Media players and it will soon go away from HTPCs unless you use certain apps that will be very restrictive. I have also been preaching that ISO is also EVIL due to the fact that most ISO keep their native BDA restricted formats and will also depend on the BDA licenses to properly playback.

Open sourced solutions like LPCM or multi-channel FLAC is the only way kick the BDA habit. LPCM requires an extra step to accomplish so I have never used it. FLAC is as easy as it gets with eac3to command line as it is a single step to create.

And today I checked with the Popcorn Hour forum and what do I see... their Moderators are pretty much preaching that all rippers stay away from HD audio and only use FLAC or LPCM.

Hate to sound like a broken record but... MKV+FLAC+PGS=FTW!!!!

I think think bitstreaming will ever not be allowed. As there is to many legitimate uses for it Same for ISO as ISO is a global standard not owned by anyone. Now the DRM inside of ISO could be limited and only be allowed with a BDA, But in terms of ripping to ISO if you are removing the DRM with the likes of anydvd ISO is no different container then MKV in terms of usage and licensing. The only bad part about mkv/FLAC is for say avengers 2 i think is report to be the first to use 9.1/11.2 sound setup. The extra channels are not true channels of audio they are processed out using neo:x or the likes and flac would have no support for it so you could lose some audio if 9.1/11.2 ever grows bigger. But doubt we will see much content till h265 is more used.

Also is PGS an open format?
post #983 of 1165
Good question... I can't find any info (Google you have failed for the first time) about the technical specs of PGS. Even Wikipedia is vacant of any specifics.

As far as FLAC using 9.1/11.2, I am sure one of these days they will figure it out and update the FLAC specs to include it. I remember a time when 7.1 FLAC was not possible.
post #984 of 1165
Its not that it cant be done. The problem is say in a 9.1 setup were you are running highs. The two high channels are actually part of the front channels. NEO:x takes the information from the front channels to create the high channels from my understanding there is information encoded in the bitstream that tells it what to do.
post #985 of 1165
I have started doing all my music to Flac and like it.
The movie companies that go out of BDA spec to try slightly different copy protection is and does cause issues even on bluray players not being able to play some discs.Like some Sony discs not playing on some Sony bluray players where Sony pictures blames Sony bluray players--what a mess.
post #986 of 1165
The only Issues I have with Base 3D are the random "Restarts" , the missing functions on the Android App, and the lack of a 12 hour clock on display... rolleyes.gif
post #987 of 1165

I have a problem playing media with DTS audio on 303D connected to Panasonic Viera via HDMI 1.4 cable. Whether it's MKV or BD 3D ISO, DTS or DTS HD MA there's simply no sound from TV. Dolby Digital plays fine. These are the settings on Dune:

 

Digital audio connector: HDMI (HD Audio enabled)

Digital audio output mode: PCM (decode)

Audio decoding mode: Stereo

Maximum digital outputs sample rate: 48 kHz

HDMI audio: Enabled

Dynamic range control: Auto

Volume control: Best quality

Volume indication: Percents

DTS CD audio conversion: Disabled

 

Need help.

post #988 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Harmont View Post

I have a problem playing media with DTS audio on 303D connected to Panasonic Viera via HDMI 1.4 cable. Whether it's MKV or BD 3D ISO, DTS or DTS HD MA there's simply no sound from TV. Dolby Digital plays fine. These are the settings on Dune:

Digital audio connector: HDMI (HD Audio enabled)
Digital audio output mode: PCM (decode)
Audio decoding mode: Stereo
Maximum digital outputs sample rate: 48 kHz
HDMI audio: Enabled
Dynamic range control: Auto
Volume control: Best quality
Volume indication: Percents
DTS CD audio conversion: Disabled

Need help.

None of the new media player downmix sound. That's why you don't get any. Only the previous Dune media player were able to downmix.
post #989 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Harmont View Post

I have a problem playing media with DTS audio on 303D connected to Panasonic Viera via HDMI 1.4 cable. Whether it's MKV or BD 3D ISO, DTS or DTS HD MA there's simply no sound from TV. Dolby Digital plays fine. These are the settings on Dune:

Digital audio connector: HDMI (HD Audio enabled)
Digital audio output mode: PCM (decode)
Audio decoding mode: Stereo
Maximum digital outputs sample rate: 48 kHz
HDMI audio: Enabled
Dynamic range control: Auto
Volume control: Best quality
Volume indication: Percents
DTS CD audio conversion: Disabled

Need help.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

None of the new media player downmix sound. That's why you don't get any. Only the previous Dune media player were able to downmix.

Huh Gus, you do get Downmix. The only audio that the Dune will not downmix is TrueHD in an mkv.

Either your TV303D is bad or something about your settings is off. I had no issues downmixing audio when I had my TV303D connected directly to a TV (with the exception of a TrueHD mkv of course)
post #990 of 1165

friends asked here about how my music on dune base 3d waging a friend here helped me and said I selecting him to play the music files over the'' 'covers of cds that are detroit folders for it to lock .... but stopped, but I can not leave the songs in random ...

well then I realized that when I send it randomly play the dune is looking for CUE files in folders and not think, therefore do not have ..... I wonder what program or how do I put or turn my mp3 folders right on CUE files?

I am very grateful for all the help so far, thanks for listening and big hug!

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